The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Someone (GF? name too long to remember exactly) asked for alternative search engines.
I’ve been toying around with one called DuckDuckGO. It’s not Google, to be sure, but interestingly, you get quite a few blog posts that don’t come up in the latter.
It’s interesting to compare results from the different engines. It’s like alternative universes. Must be the algorithms. Still, I’d suggest some comparisons because Google gets scrubbed periodically, as people here suspect. Too big to do no evil and all that….
Hold on ive missed this in the past! if he designed the toilet on the Airbus he must have worked for Boeing! ( I had a friend that also worked for them) didnt our friend Brett Martin work for Boeing?
“Nobody whacked.”
These date back to when the Communist Block was falling apart and stuff was going in every direction, and *before* Iran had a meaningful nuclear programme.
“Hold on ive missed this in the past! if he designed the toilet on the Airbus he must have worked for Boeing! ( I had a friend that also worked for them) didnt our friend Brett Martin work for Boeing?”
Scooterman is some sort of designer, and involved with AMS 1087, so he may have been involved with industrial design work with Al-hilli, I thing the aerial photography thing is a mistake.
Italy arrests seven for ‘smuggling arms’ to Iran
(AFP) – Mar 3, 2010
MILAN, Italy — Two Iranians and five Italians were arrested Wednesday in Italy on suspicion of trafficking arms to Iran in violation of international sanctions, a top anti-terrorist prosecutor said.
[…]
The probe interrupted the supply of anti-tank projectiles made in Bulgaria and in former Soviet states, as well as explosive chemical materials including zirconium and nickel, Andreone said.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hyUAdr8C1iTfaCFfcsPeqWZ5PmAA
Nobody whacked
16. In October 1997, China told the United States that it would not sign any new contracts regarding civilian nuclear cooperation with Iran once two projects of limited proliferation concern that were then underway (a zero-power reactor and a factory to produce zirconium cladding for fuel rods) were completed.
http://www.armscontrol.org/print/807
Zirconium Production Plant (ZPP)
Iran has built a Zirconium Production Plant which, when completed, will be able to produce 10 tonnes of zirconium tubing per year for nucler fuel cladding. Construction started in 2004. The ZPP, according to Iranian officials, will be able to produce zirconium sponge, zirconium alloy strip and bar, magnesium, hafnium, 99.99 percent pure magnesium, zirconium alloys, titanium and titanium alloys, and can do ferrous and non-ferrous metal casting.
http://www.isisnucleariran.org/sites/detail/7th-of-tir-industries/
Illicit Trade
British Bank Accused of Doing Massive Illegal Iran Business: Settles with New York
Authorities
August 15, 2012
Read report here
Major U.S. Sting Operation Arrests Iranian in Nuclear Smuggling Network
August 12, 2012
Read report here
Iranian Smuggling for Military Nuclear Programs: From Shahid Hemmat
Industrial Group to the Physics Research Center
May 16, 2012
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Telexes: Amir Kabir University and Dr. Shahmoradi
May 16, 2012
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Telexes: Front Company Kala Naft
May 16, 2012
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The Telexes: Whole Body Counters and the Physics Research Center
May 16, 2012
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U.S. Company Charged with Pressure Transducer Sales: Who Were the End Users?
May 14, 2012
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Opening the Door to a Solution with Iran
May 9, 2012
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Case of Three Tinners Set for Trial: Plea Deal Expected
April 25, 2012
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Department 70 and the Physics Research Center: Extensive Interest in
Nuclear Fuel Cycle Technologies
March 19, 2012
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The Physics Research Center and Iran’s Parallel Military Nuclear Program
February 23, 2012
Read report here
PHRC telex appendix
February 23, 2012
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IRISL and Affiliates Indicted on Financial Conspiracy Charges
July 8, 2011
Read report here
European Court of Human Rights Rejects Tinners’ Appeal
April 26, 2011
Read report here
Yadegari Appeal Denied by Canadian Court
April 14, 2011
Read report here
Man Charged with Exporting U.S. Goods to Pakistan’s Nuclear Program
April 14 , 2011
Read report here
United States Indicts Man behind Alleged Multi-Million Dollar Iranian Smuggling
Network
February 11, 2011
Read report here
A Smuggler’s Use of the U.S. Financial System to Receive Illegal Payments
from Iran
February 11, 2011
Read report here
State Department Cables: United States Pressures China over Limmt, to No Avail
February 3, 2010
Read report here
Swiss Judge Recommends Charges against the Tinners
December 23, 2010
Read report here
The Tinner Case: Time for a Frank, Open Evaluation
December 21, 2010
Read report here
State Department Cables: Stopping Iran’s and North Korea’s Illicit
Procurement for their Nuclear and Ballistic Missile Programs
December 10, 2010
Read report here
Chinese Firms Continue to Evade Iran Sanctions
October 19, 2010
Read report here
Comprehensive Piece on Iranian Military Equipment Smuggler and U.S. Sting Operation
October 5, 2010
Read report here
Yadegari Sentenced to 20 Months Plus Time Served ; Worked for Procurement Ring that Supplied Iran’s Enrichment Program
August 2, 2010
Read report here
Update: New Charges for Irish Company Suspected of Military Exports to Iran
July 16, 2010
Read report here
Man Suspected of Illicit Nuclear Trade to Iran Found Guilty
July 6, 2010
Read report here
Eli Lake’s New Report and the Inadvertent Conflation of Sources About the Notorious Tinner Family
July 2, 2010
Read report here
Was Kakavand’s Acquittal Part of a Quid Pro Quo with Iran? – Update II
May 19, 2010
Read report here
Update: U.S. Extradition Request Denied in France for Alleged Iranian Military Parts Smuggler
May 12, 2010
Read report here
French Court Delays Decision over Extradition of Majid Kakavand
February 17, 2010
Read report here
Busting the Members at the Core of Iran’s Smuggling Networks for Nuclear, Missile, and Conventional Military Goods*
David Albright, Paul Brannan, and Andrea Scheel Stricker
February 16, 2010
Read report here
Former Iranian Ambassador Arrested in Britain for Allegedly Assisting Iran-Directed Smuggling Scheme
David Albright, Paul Brannan, and Andrea Scheel Stricker
February 16, 2010
Read report here
Inventive U.S. Sting Operation Catches Iran-Based Military Equipment Smuggler
David Albright, Paul Brannan and Andrea Scheel Stricker
February 16, 2010
Read report here
Middleman Majid Kakavand Arrested for Allegedly Directing Malaysia-Based Iranian Illicit Procurement Scheme
David Albright, Paul Brannan, and Andrea Scheel Stricker
February 16, 2010
Read report here
Arrest Made in Germany of Core Iranian Procurement Agent
David Albright, Paul Brannan, and Andrea Scheel Stricker
February 16, 2010
Read report here
Update: Smuggler Previously Convicted of Aircraft Export Control Violations; Disguised Company As a Larger Operation
Andrea Scheel Stricker
October 23, 2009
Read report here
Decision Reached on Vanaki Case: Landgericht Finds Defendant Guilty, Issues Suspended Sentence
David Albright and Christina Walrond
October 23, 2009
Read report here
The Trials of the German-Iranian Trader Mohsen Vanaki: The German Federal Intelligence Service Assesses that Iran Likely Has a Nuclear Weapons Program
David Albright and Christina Walrond
October 23, 2009
Read report here
A Smuggler’s Procurement of Nuclear Dual-Use Pressure Transducers for Iran
David Albright, Paul Brannan and Andrea Scheel
July 14, 2009
Read report here
Iran’s Procurement of U.S. Military Aircraft Parts: Two case studies in illicit trade
David Albright, Paul Brannan and Andrea Scheel
May 21, 2009
Read report here
A Company’s Discretion Detects Large Iranian Valve Orders by Scrutinizing Items and End-Users Instead of Lists
by David Albright, Paul Brannan and Andrea Scheel
January 28, 2009
Read report here
Iranian Entities’ Illicit Military Procurement Networks
by David Albright, Paul Brannan and Andrea Scheel
January 12, 2009
Read report here
Swiss Smugglers Had Advanced Nuclear Weapons Designs
by David Albright
June 16, 2008
Read report here
Finding Innovative Ways to Detect and Thwart Illicit Nuclear Trade
2007 Carnegie International Nonproliferation Conference
Remarks by David Albright, Matti Tarvainen and Ralf Wirtz
June 26, 2007
http://www.isisnucleariran.org/illicit-trade/
Nobody whacked
There are many, many examples of illicit trade (including nuclear) with Iran where nobody was whacked.
Also Iran appears to be able to make their own zirconium, thank you very much.
😀
So, Dave…
Do you have any evidence to back up your claims?
Or were you just bullshitting?
I’m listening.
You are still doing basic mistakes by assuming that SAH did do everything alone.
E.g. Knowing the (suspected) customers of the smuggled goods, having the money to finance that suspecting smuggling activity , having got all contacts and all the knowledge on his own, etc.Such things happen in Hollywood movies only and we have a 007 Bond there to resolve that crises. Unfortunately the reality is much different.
Such a deal is never done and never performed by an individual. There is always a group standing behind that while certain activities within that group are performed by certain people who could do the best job regarding such activities. SAH was just a wheel within the London Group, however, he was by far not the most important wheel.
He could have done an excellent job and that might have been the reason for the assasination. However, he could have done a lousy job or perhaps he tried to betray his group. That would have been another reason. However, you will only find answers if you look at that group while you wont find any answers when you believe that he did everything do alone.
Meanwhile some more links regarding the new world order and WW3.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19812482
http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/sLOi5uAdhZR_5iLRAfqL-dQ/view.m?id=15&gid=world/2012/oct/04/turkey-syria-threat-security-live&cat=world
http://m.dailystar.com.lb/Opinion/Columnist/2012/Oct-04/190070-syria-widens-hezbollahs-contradictions.ashx#axzz28IwcAwla
Find Nadhmi Auchi and his London Group and you will know something more about the new world order that has started with the 911 false flag operation and is now being in its most explosive state of art.
“Do you have any evidence to back up your claims?”
Yes, 4 dead people in Annecy.
“Also Iran appears to be able to make their own zirconium”
But where do the raw materials and the know how come from?
“Do you have any evidence to back up your claims?”
Yes, 4 dead people in Annecy.
Circular argument.
(“They were smuggling zirc, hence they were offed. And we know that zirc smugglers are offed, because they were.”)
Do you have any *other* examples of nuclear smugglers being offed, as you claim is the case here?
Not very clever of Ferret to publish all those propaganda links from a fellow called David Albright. I bet he is not that bright after all, and neither is Ferret to publish this propaganda, that puts Iran in a bad light.
“Do you have any *other* examples of nuclear smugglers being offed, as you claim is the case here?”
We don’t know what they were up to, but given Mollier was head of production at a Zirconium plant, his know how may have been of great importance to the Iranians, and as we all know Israel considers anyone connected with the Iranian nuclear programme to be a target.
Nobody whacked
That is the nub of the matter. Why would a nation state whack four people in such a spectacular manner while they were on friendly territory? They wouldn’t.
Thus, if a nation state was behind this, it was one that would not consider France friendly territory. That rules out France herself, the UK, and most likely Israel, too.
“Also Iran appears to be able to make their own zirconium”
But where do the raw materials and the know how come from?
China helped them build their zirc plant, according to the above link. Know-how no longer required.
I haven’t read about any zirc ore shipments other than the one the UK shipped them, the one that got stopped, remember? Some experts said that it could have been refined… but that’s besides the point.
Why don’t you do a google search and do your own dirty work? Post some links here and stop wasting people’s time.
If you have a theory that’s fine, but now it’s time for some evidence to back up your hot air.
BUT
The point is, where are any examples of anyone else being offed for shipping zirc ore to Iran?
Or being offed for shipping *anything* nuclear to Iran?
Anyone apart from the Al Hilli’s of course, Dave…
😉
So far as I know so far, it’s just nuclear scientists that are regularly offed by Mossad.
So if you have any evidence, please post it.
Or are you just bullshitting?
I’m listening.
We don’t know what they were up to, but given Mollier was head of production at a Zirconium plant, his know how may have been of great importance to the Iranians, and as we all know Israel considers anyone connected with the Iranian nuclear programme to be a target.
Mollier was only reported once as head of production.
He was reported twice in early reports as a METALLURGIST.
(I posted this yesterday and it was not addressed.)
“I haven’t read about any zirc ore shipments other than the one the UK shipped them, the one that got stopped, remember?”
Forget about that, that’s different stuff.
“China helped them build their zirc plant, according to the above link. Know-how no longer required.”
They still have to make it with the required purity levels.
“Why don’t you do a google search and do your own dirty work? Post some links here and stop wasting people’s time.”
Still think it’s all about Aldermaston?
“So far as I know so far, it’s just nuclear scientists that are regularly offed by Mossad.”
And zirconium is not a crucial part of the programme?
“I’m listening.”
You’re not.
@Kenneth
Well dig up any other list then… go on… find me some examples of nuclear smugglers getting offed and we’ll have something to talk about
@Peter
Thus, if a nation state was behind this, it was one that would not consider France friendly territory. That rules out France herself, the UK, and most likely Israel, too.
Nonsense. Someone posted a long list of Israeli hits on French soil only yesterday… Goodness.
@Dave
We don’t know what they were up to, but given Mollier was head of production at a Zirconium plant, his know how may have been of great importance to the Iranians, and as we all know Israel considers anyone connected with the Iranian nuclear programme to be a target.
No Dave, only nuclear scientists.
And so far, you haven’t posted one single piece of evidence for any of your claims or theories.
Keep going!
I’m going to do something less boring and circular!
Enjoy.
it’s just nuclear scientists that are regularly offed by Mossad
Here is a list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations
“He was reported twice in early reports as a METALLURGIST.”
So someone with detailed knowledge of producing nuclear grade zirconium?
Now who’d be interested in that…
Ferriran has its own zircon mining facilities. Hence, they even export zircon and zircon silicate.
What they dont have in iran, however, is the factory to create clean zirconium, a factory process tgat is done at areva/cezus in grenoble and ugine.
They built their zirconium centrifuges in esphahan but sadly for them they dont work as expected and the produced artificial zirconium is of low quality.
However they definitely need no zircon in iran. They need “know how” and intelligence from areva. Perhaps they need better technology and better machines as well. Definitely NOT they would need any zircon metal.
it’s just nuclear scientists that are regularly offed by Mossad
Here is a list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations
No nuclear smugglers to Iran in that list, I note.
🙂
Peter wrote:
Israeli agents could very well have employed MEK folks living in Paris. Think like this: the agent himself is Iranian (Jew) [Israel has, as you know, plenty of human material from Iraq, Iran, North Africa – and particularly the Iranian ones are indistinguesable from any other Iranian] and he does not say where he comes from, all he says is this – or something along this line: There are som high profile shias involved in helping Iran procurring nuclear material who will be meeting in a forest in a weeks time, are your organisation willing to take them out?
So Dave… you no longer think this was a zirc smuggling op gone wrong, eh? Now it’s about offing Mollier because he had inside info on nuclear grade zirconium?
“Perhaps they need better technology and better machines as well. Definitely NOT they would need any zircon metal.”
So it’s fair to say having help from the head of production/METALLURGIST at one of Europe’s leading zirconium plants would be jolly helpful?
“So Dave… you no longer think this was a zirc smuggling op gone wrong, eh? Now it’s about offing Mollier because he had inside info on nuclear grade zirconium?”
He didn’t bring a pallet of metal up a mountain on a bicycle, we knew that at the start, information was being swapped, or Al-hilli was there to warn Mollier that they’d been rumbled.
At least you’re slowly catching up.
@Peter
Thus, if a nation state was behind this, it was one that would not consider France friendly territory. That rules out France herself, the UK, and most likely Israel, too.
For a “writer on counter-terrorism matters”, you do talk a load of bollocks, don’t you?
anders7777
3 Oct, 2012 – 6:35 pm
@peter
record and for your information, I don’t believe that Mossad or any other western intelligence agency had anything to do with this, but that is just my gut feeling. I tend to rely on my
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How about a few FACTS Peter instead of us listening to your entrails talking to you?
Here are some FACTS.
Mossad operations in FRANCE:
Cherbourg Project – Operation Noa, the 1969 smuggling of Israel Navy boats out of Cherbourg.
The alleged killing of Zuheir Mohsen, a pro-Syrian member of the PLO in 1979.[16]
The alleged killing of Atef Bseiso, a top intelligence officer of the PLO in Paris in 1992. French police believe that a team of assassins followed Atef Bseiso from Berlin, where that first team connected with another team to close in on him in front of a Left Bank hotel, where he received three head-shots at point blank range.[17]
The killing of Yehia El-Mashad, the head of the Iraq nuclear weapons program, in 1980.[18]
The killing of Dr. Mahmoud Hamshari, coordinator of the Munich massacre with an exploding telephone in his Paris apartment in 1972.[15]
The killing of Dr. Basil Al-Kubaissi, who was involved in the Munich massacre, in Paris in 1973.[15]
The killing of Mohammad Boudia, member of the PFLP, in Paris in 1973.[15]
On April 5, 1979, Mossad agents are believed to have triggered an explosion which destroyed 60 percent of components being built in Toulouse for an Iraqi reactor. Although an environmental organization, Groupe des écologistes français, unheard of before this incident, claimed credit for the blast,[19] most French officials discount the claim. The reactor itself was subsequently destroyed by an Israeli air strike in 1981.[19][20]
The Mossad allegedly assisted Morocco’s domestic security service in the disappearance of dissident politician Mehdi Ben Barka in 1965.[21]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad
Israeli agents could very well have employed MEK folks living in Paris.
They could (and more likely would) also have employed their own folks living in Paris: gangsters, private eyes, bent police officers – you name it, they have it, especially in Paris. If you have ever been on a late-night stroll through the Marais, you will have noticed those bodyguard types (some of whom are obviously armed) hanging around the area, just keeping an eye on things.
But why would they, if they could have had SAH and/or SM arrested instead? France and Israel have not always seen eye to eye on nuclear issues (e. g., Mossad sabotaged the reactor cores of the Osirak reactor on French soil), but surely their policy vis-à-vis Iran is not a contentious issue these days?