The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
“But why would they, if they could have had SAH and/or SM arrested instead?”
Because it was a clear warning to others tempted to work with Iran?
I found an exciting website.
Does walton on thames ring a bell?
Does zirconium and hafnium ring a bell?
Some pdf files were recently removed from this website. One of the removed ones is the zirconium and hafnium trade pdf.
However it is still on google to be found in the search results. We shoul have a closer look regarding the members and tgeir organisation. This might be hot and we could finf coincidences.
http://www.mmta.co.uk/members-directory/security-provider
http://www.mmta.co.uk/uploaded_files/Zirconium%20Hafnium.pdf
Because it was a clear warning to others tempted to work with Iran?
Perhaps, but for it to be a “clear warning,” it would have to be spelt out – and the only places where I have seen these murders being even tentatively associated with nuclear proliferation to Iran are a few blogs and this thread.
I found an exciting link that could be the missing key. Unfortunately my post is still awaiting moderation.
Meanwhile search google for “mmta” (zirconium, hafnium) walton on thames.
Rings a bell?
Zirconium and hafnium link was removed from tgeir website but is still searchable on google ..
This is the security agency providing security for mmta members.
http://www.linx-int.com/
Check the address!
http://www.linx-int.com/people/
@Bluebird
Thanks for that – hopefully your post will come through soon.
What link was removed? From whose site?
@Dave
“So Dave… you no longer think this was a zirc smuggling op gone wrong, eh? Now it’s about offing Mollier because he had inside info on nuclear grade zirconium?”
He didn’t bring a pallet of metal up a mountain on a bicycle, we knew that at the start, information was being swapped, or Al-hilli was there to warn Mollier that they’d been rumbled.
At least you’re slowly catching up.
No, Dave, it’s *you* who’s catching up! LOL. We’ve been here before and done this. I wanted to know what *you* were now saying… earlier you were saying it was a zirc smuggling ring gone wrong… and I had to post a ton of info before you dropped that little joke.
IMO you’re playing deliberately dumb, and recycling the arguments from thread 1 just to keep people jumping here.
Good luck – but it doesn’t wash with me.
Anyhow, HALF a gold star for you for “reaching” (or looking up) that conclusion… but it’s not about zirc.
Bluebird is warmer, hint hint.
@Bluebird
Ah, I see now, your post has come through… thanks… the link to the pdf 404’s… can you copy some of the “hot” sections here?
The zirconium/jafnium pdf link wss removed from the mmta website. I posted the dead link in my first post above. Click it. That link is still on google.
@ Bluebird
So a dealer in zirconium and hafnium
http://www.lipmann.co.uk/contact.html
is resident at the same address as the security company associated with the industry federation.
Okay. What does that mean, except that the dealer probably recommended that security firm to the industry association?
@Peter
It means nothing. Nothing means anything. Forget it. Go home. Go to bed. It was all just how the papers said it was. It was all completely innocent. Normal everyday killing of nuclear scientists. Nothing to see here folks… move along now…
“Perhaps, but for it to be a “clear warning,” it would have to be spelt out”
I think it has been spelt out to those it was aimed at.
@Bluebird
The zirconium/jafnium pdf link wss removed from the mmta website. I posted the dead link in my first post above. Click it. That link is still on google.
Ah, OK. So you haven’t got a copy… any google cache?
@Dave
I think
Now you’re exaggerating
I reckon the zirconium/hafnium PDF was removed from the industry federation’s website because that company, Lipman, no longer is a member of the industry association.
I was wrong. The removed PDF was authored by Steven Munnoch of Avon Metals Ltd and is a general introduction to hafnium. (One can see a preview of the deleted file on Google)
For the record, I’ve deleted a few posts from Anders7777, one or two from James and one from Ferret. Mostly this was a spat getting out of hand, or the start of a new one.
@Ferret – ok, so you think one or two folks here are seeding bad info, we get it. But if you are abusive towards them, it will cause the debate to spiral out of hand, and the discussion will derail faster, see? Plus, you could be wrong.
Dave is the new Katie!
😀
Rumbled!!!
“Dave is the new Katie!”
You sound like howling mad anders when you come up with these conspiracies.
Stop it.
@Jon
so you think one or two folks here are seeding bad info, we get it.
No, Jon, you don’t. I haven’t just “thought” it, I’ve proved it. But you don’t seem to mind people being here in bad faith, do you?
But if you are abusive towards them, it will cause the debate to spiral out of hand, and the discussion will derail faster, see?
No, they do it in tandem, and in concert. It’s a menage a trois. If I kick in, at least there is a dissenting voice.
Plus, you could be wrong.
Like I said, I have proved people are bullshitting. They keep posting incorrect info despite people having posted proof to the contrary. Not opinion differences, which are of course fine.
“Okay. What does that mean, except that the dealer probably recommended that security firm to the industry association?”
I though one of this mornings findings was that Iran had no need for the raw materials for zirconium, just perhaps the know how to refine it to the required standard?
I can’t see them shopping for it in Walton.
“Stop it.”
YES SIR!
Attennnnn…. hut!!!!
Abouuuuuut…. turn!!!
Lef, righ, lef, righ, lef, righ, lef, righ…
“but it’s not about zirc”
We know it’s about zirconium because one of those killed worked with the stuff.
“Dave is the new Katie!”
You sound like howling mad anders when you come up with these conspiracies.
Now, Dave, that was a tell-tale mistake. Or actually, two mistakes in one. Bet you wish you could delete THAT post, eh!
(Or maybe Jon will do it for you.)
Want to know why?
“but it’s not about zirc”
We know it’s about zirconium because one of those killed worked with the stuff.
You do like your circular arguments, don’t you Dave.
SAH also worked with BMW’s but no one’s saying he was offed because of that.
Keep going…
Lippman is still listed as a member on their website.
http://www.lipmann.co.uk/metals/metals.html
http://www.lipmann.co.uk/
It might be coincidence but zaid al hilli lives in walton on thames, too.
And claygate is how far away?
Perhaps coincidence. Now, if we would find that RAF guy worked perhaps for linx security, then we would have almost too many accidents at once. Walton on Thames has become quite prominent in our research regarding the al saffar family as well.
We know it’s about zirconium because one of those killed worked with the stuff.
That’s the trouble. Apart from a shared love of cycling and working in industries of strategic interest, it is very difficult to see any commonalities, any areas of potential overlap, between SAH and SM. (And, yes, I do remember that SAH did a number of student internships in a nuclear lab and was interested in a job at CERN. That doesn’t make him a zirconium / hafnium expert, though.)
“That’s the trouble. Apart from a shared love of cycling and working in industries of strategic interest, it is very difficult to see any commonalities”
Al-hilli – with links to Iran meets Zirconium man, and what appears to be a well organised hit team take them all out.
We know Al-hilli has spent time in both Iran and Dubai, we know Mollier was production chief, we know zirconium is a key part of Iran’s nuclear programme, we also know that Israel will kill anyone with links to said programme.
We also know that Iran has plenty of the raw materials to make zirconium, but has been having trouble getting it to the correct grade.
Who might have been giving them a helping hand?
@Peter
We know it’s about zirconium because one of those killed worked with the stuff.
That’s the trouble. Apart from a shared love of cycling and working in industries of strategic interest, it is very difficult to see any commonalities, any areas of potential overlap, between SAH and SM. (And, yes, I do remember that SAH did a number of student internships in a nuclear lab and was interested in a job at CERN. That doesn’t make him a zirconium / hafnium expert, though.)
You are sooooooooooooooo close!
Do you know that children’s game called hot/cold? One child hides an object in the room, and the other children have to look for it. The child that hid the item calls out “cold” if they are far away, and “hot” when they get closer… Do you have this game in Germany? I expect so.
Well, in terms of hot/cold, you are ABSOLUTELY BOILING!
SAH did a number of student internships in a nuclear lab and was interested in a job at CERN. That doesn’t make him a zirconium / hafnium expert, though
Correct…
That would make him an expert in …. what?
Anthony lippman was mmta chairman 2003-2006.
He is managing director of lippman & walton ltd in walton upon thames.
Although he is jewish, he was strongly critizised for favouring the palestinian side.
http://www.scottishfriendsofisrael.org/jolly_england.htm
The implicit equation of Jews and Nazis are now employed by everyone from the Mayor of London on down. To mark the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, the Spectator printed a piece by one Anthony Lippman, the son of a woman who survived Auschwitz, who wondered, “But for a turn of fate, could I have been a Nazi too?” His point is that Jews today have morphed into Nazis.The question raised by Auschwitz for Lippman is: “What am I doing for those being persecuted today – among them the Palestinians, who are suffering at the hands of Jews?” When he stares at the tattoo number on his mother’s arm, the ever sensitive Lippman informs his readers, he will be thinking not only of the crematoria and cattle cars, but of Jenin and Fallujah.About the more than 130 Jews killed by suicide bombers in the month leading up to Jenin, Lippman, needless to say, has nothing to say. Anyone who leaves out those Jewish dead when speaking of Jenin is not remembering Auschwitz but to seeking its reprise.