The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
that’s enough spying for another night…
Tim v.
Yes, of course o’ reilly. That was a mistyping a few weeks ago but there was no special investigation for o’reilly at that time.
I am convinced that we have a family that is involved into international top politics and who has got top influence in the middle east and especially in the shia community.
Both western military and intelligence as well as western industry will do everything to use the power and the still existing influence of those families for their own favour. I am sure that there were queues of different intelligence office representatives waiting at their doorsteps and asking them to work for them.
The “accountant” and the “computer expert” do fit exactly into intelligence work and cover up and so do the few obviously setup letterbox companies that are usually used for money laundered payments of intelligence agencies to their agents and informants in return for their fake invoices.
Intelligence, terror funding, surveillance, smuggling, money laundering and terror planning as well as counter terrorism and recruiting of terrorists could have been their agenda.
Did you carefully read the Allawi report with Akeel al Saffar?
Allawi said that there were deatch threats by Saddam’s intelligence appointed to all those ex top iraqi baath politicians who fled to london in 1969. Allawi was attacked in his house.
I am sure that there were threats versus kadhim’s family, too. Saddam would release the threats if they would agree to work for him abroad. Now consider that kadhim’s brother was in iraqi jail and being tortured for spying at that time. So then, kadhim receives death threats regarding his family and he receives a suggestion that his brother would be released from prison if he agreed to work for saddam.
What would be kadhim’s choice? What would you have done?
On the other side, at the very same time, MI6, CIA, KGB and Mossad is knocking at your Putney door, begging you to work for them, too. What would be your choice?
Allawi once said that he had worked for more than a dozen intelligence offices at the same time.
Taking this information into a logic formula, i have no doubts that kadhim was working for saddam (money laundering, terror funding, oil for food smuggling) as well as for MI6 and probably for more intelligence agencies, too. That is based on history and logic.
He did not like saddam but he worked for him, otherwise his family would have been killed.
Given that logic we have many reasons for chevaline, starting from blood feud.
Saad could have been in posession of documents he threatened to release. And the geneva money could have been a matter of arguments regarding the ownership. I am quite sure that kadhim was just a trustee for that money while saad did insist that this was his own money. What happens if you steal money from mobsters or even terror money? Perhaps this was ransom money paid by abducted iraqis. Perhaps this was money owned by the french metal workers union by trustee kadhim (my very strong guess). Who knows?
Steal that money and you are a dead guy!
In case some of you run across fat bastard on MZT, please kindly forward him those questions:
6 questions for fat bastard
1) Was Saad a Hash House Harrier?
2a) if so, did he adopt the french name “Hillier” as a Hash House Harrier ?
2b) Was there a Hash House Harrier meeting in/near Annecy in Sept 2012?
3) Did your friend Saad know your friend Ahmed Rashid?
4) Assuming that Saad was on your mailing list: what was his email address?
5) What was his online nickname in internet blogs?
I have been browsing online more than three hours today, yet I never found any interesting article
like yours. It’s pretty worth enough for me. In my opinion, if all web owners and bloggers made good content as you did, the net will be much more useful than ever before.
Tim V.
There are more Iraqi-Irish weddings in that family. When did the other Zaid marry?
NAME: Caroline S E McBrienSPOUSE: AL-saffarMARRIAGE: Jun 1995 – Aylesbury Vale, Buckinghamshire
NAME: Zaid S S SaffarSPOUSE: McBrienMARRIAGE: Jun 1995 – Aylesbury Vale, Buckinghamshire
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31 Jul, 2013 – 9:23 am I am with you part of the way with your assessment and yes I did read that Allawi item carefully. In fact I might have stayed in the same hotel in Amman years ago, the only difference being I was of no interest to MI6, the press or any one else.
I assume you are arguing that a Sunni-aligned group carried out the assassination resulting from long-standing enmity. This has always been a possibility but I just don’t think it’s likely. Remember that Iraq is now Shia/Iran aligned country, so it’s highly unlikely it would be an Iraqi Government sponsored operation unless we can come up with the Al Hilli’s being a plausible threat to it.
If it was a Saddam Hussein Sunni remnants/al Queda operation you can be sure there would have been a VERY different reaction from the British and French governments. The US might even have come out of the woodwork and made political capital out of it. Even if it could have been organised by them without either London or Paris getting wind of it, which is highly unlikely, you can be sure some, if not all, of the responsible gang would have been picked up afterwards. All the signs are they were actually allowed to escape unidentified.
So if we go back to first principles – subsequent British reaction with regard to WBM’s interview, preventing French access to ZAH and the children, armed protection of both – the killing did not originate in London and a continuing threat is seen to exist from elsewhere. France clearly is not trusted and information in the possession of either, both or more still needs to be protected.
The killing I think took Britain by surprise. Further it has been exceedingly tight lipped suggesting whatever is behind it has highly sensitive implications reinforced by the family’s relative silence also.
So I ask what criminal organisations, leaving aside ideological terrorist ones because they invariably claim responsibility, would be capable of pulling off such a sophisticated, co-ordinated and singular operation WITHOUT a single Government finger pointed in that direction? The answer has to be none.
So we conclude only a State has the wherewithal, including the military-trained assassins, to fit the circumstances? Only state organisations could call on a degree of French co-operation and compliance, at least, or Paris would have been screaming “wolf” months ago.
Russia could have done it and has done similar abroad in the past but compare and contrast western reaction. This effectively rules them and their satellites, out. China? No. North African States are in such turmoil. do you think they would entertain such a complicated mission on European territory in that way? No.
As I see it only two States would be able to command the degree of French co-operation necessary. Only two (plus maybe France and certain oil producing countries) would be able to stifle British condemnation in the public sphere. Only two have modi operandi that fit and currently or recently engaged in similar. They are (of course)Israel or the US, or both working in concert.
So if I was a betting man – though I am not – that is where I would put my money.
“Summer obviously comes late in these yer parts”
from BB’s ref. above
“In 1994, Allaf became head of the Syrian delegation to the Washington peace talks with the Israeli government of Yitzhak Rabin. The Israelis, annoyed by the eloquence of Allaf, a seasoned Syrian diplomat and expert in international law, complained to US President Bill Clinton, ostensibly arguing that Allaf was not politically powerful enough in Syria to make decisions on his own. Two US secretaries of state, James Baker and Warren Christopher, asked President Hafez al-Assad to replace Allaf, but President Assad curtly refused, saying that if need be, he would promote Allaf to deputy foreign minister and private advisor to President Assad himself, thereby giving Allaf the required power.
Allaf served on the diplomatic team until January 1996 when, under President Assad’s insistence that a strong Syrian should be at the Arab League, he became assistant to the secretary-general of the Arab League. Six months after his appointment, however, Mouwafak al-Allaf died suddenly on July 4, 1996. ”
http://www.rimeallaf.com/mosaics/index.php?entry=entry081102-163035
Old scores settled?
Tim v.
No.no.no!
I did nowhere suggest with my post tgat this was a sunni killing.
You did not understand what i tried to explain. Sorry.
I tried to say – that given the circumstances of kadhim, his family, the death threats and his imprisoned and tortured brother, i would bet a 99% probability that he agreed to work for Saddam for chosing the save side of life, although he did probably hate him.
Besides of that, given the prominent family of wealth, influence, education and politics, i give it a 99% probability that there were several other intelligence offices, too, going in and out his Putney flat.
That being said, i am sure that he both worked for saddam and probably for others at the same time, just like Allawi. His strong connection with the religious leaders al Khoei and al Sistani are evident. Sheikh Hajj Kadhim Abdul Hussain al Hilli.
This is a clear statement that i have no doubts that in one or another way he fid support Saddam. My strong guess due to logic is, that he did the Meyer Lansky business in funding of questionable organisations and bribable politicians in europe as well as the oil for food secret money deposits.
Funny old thing that. http://summersoltice.co.uk/
and that …. http://summerr.co.uk/
Latin’s coming back.
“False memories implanted into mice
Scientists have activated memory forming cells in the brains of mice creating false memories and associations, reported the BBC.
The mice wrongly associated a benign environment with an unpleasant experience they had had in different surroundings. The researchers conditioned a network of neurons to respond to light, which made the mice recall the unpleasant environment.
The mice were genetically engineered and had optic fibres implanted in their brains to deliver pulses of light to specific groups of neurons. Known as optogenetics, this technique makes individual neurons responsive to light.
Our memories are stored in collections of cells, the same as they are in the brains of mice, and when we recall an event we reconstruct it from parts of these cells, almost like reassembling small pieces of a puzzle.
This can make our memories unreliable, something that has been well documented over the past few decades.
The researchers in this study found that when the mice recalled a false memory, it was indistinguishable from a real memory, in that it created a fear response in the memory forming cells of the mouse’s brain.
“If you want to grab a specific memory you have to get down into the cell level. Every time we think we remember something, we could also be making changes to that memory – sometimes we realise sometimes we don’t,” explained Dr Xu Liu from the RIKEN-MIT Center for Neural Circuit Gentics.
“Our memory changes every single time it’s being ‘recorded’. That’s why we can incorporate new information into old memories and this is how a false memory can form without us realising it.”
Neil Burgess from UCL, who was not involved in the study, told the BBC that the research was a good first step in understanding the fearful response to situations where nothing fearful has happened.
“One day this type of knowledge may help scientists to understand how to remove or reduce the fearful associations experienced by people with conditions like post-traumatic stress disorder,” he said.
However, he also explained that this is still very early stages on this type of research and that any benefits for people with conditions like PTSD would still be many years away.
“But basic science always helps in the end, and it may be possible, one day, to use similar techniques to silence neurons causing the association to fear.”
http://www.britishscienceassociation.org
I hope my last post hasn’t made us forget all we’ve learned!
OMG
They are liars. They knew everything regarding Saad’s online communications, phone calls and chats within minutes. Even everything what he did chat in france they knew the next day latest.
What a f@@@ing gang of liars they are! Liars! I hope (well, i am sure) that they will read this blog. Liars!!!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data
New shocking guardian leaks in link above.
Bluebird
31 Jul, 2013 – 11:06 pm. I told you so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
Re Al-Hilli (Children) [2013] EWHC 2299 (Fam)
SUMMARY OF JUDGMENT
http://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed115381
Thanks Bleb, for the link.
Now we know for sure that Fadwa’s husband is Ahmed (al) Mahmood.
Tim V 1:08AM regarding security at Rutherford lab.
I think I mentioned that before, but for the most part work on the particle accelerator at RAL does not require any clearance, especially as the department use as many foreigners and foreign grant money as it can get, and is involved in lots of collaborations. Much of the accelerator related work involves particle Physics, which is pretty esoteric and has essentially zero practical utility (by definition – ever since quarks came on the scene, which cannot be “loosened up” – because of the nature of the force holding them together, elementary particle physics has taken a path that is at right angles to anything that can pay practical dividends because the energy can’t be released (it’s kind of like a spring – the more one pulls, the greater the restoring force – an over-simplified analogy, but easy to visualize). So all those particle collisions the accelerator induces are good for studying fundamental forces of nature, confirm theories etc.
Also the accelerator at RAL is an older generation one – nothing like the advanced CERN accelerator – used to chase higgs bosons and other strange animals. In the summer lots of students and post docs and visitors come to work and stay for a while at Rutherford. Saad was one – I believe the ST article mentioned him going back summers.
But – and that’s where I have a problem – Saad was NOT a particle physicist or a nuclear physicist. he was a mechanical engineer and did not have a PhD- So I reckon he would have worked on the instrumentation part – may be some work on centrifuges and coils. So I am not quite sure what he would have done at RAL during a few months summer stay. may be he developed some specialty in one or another part of accelerator technology – we really don’t know.
On another note, the Harwell laboratory next door to Rutherford is invovled in Nuclear work, and some work there does require clearance. Sometimes, the two laboratories operate under various joint agreements – or that’s how it used to be. Also there is quite a bit of nuclear related research, for example in isotope separation, at Rutherford as well as related laser work.
In any case, fat bastard mentioned that Saad was “only” a CAD designer. I kind of doubt it. I think he got involved in quite a few challenging, cutting edge tasks along the way. If he did, he wouldn’t confide that in a friend since some areas are highly privileged information, whether or not classified. basically, I doubt FB really knew much about the nature of Saad’s work or his background.
It’s just that I have a feeling that his past work at rutherford which he did when he was young does not relate to the kind of work that may have gotten him into trouble. it may also have all been part of providing him with adequate “cover” per BB’s theory.
Good In parts 11:59PM Glad you liked the story line – actually it’s turning into a script, as we speak.
The more i think about it – follwong the interesting point Bluebird made, the more I tend to give credibility to the “sleeper” scenario. For both Saad and Zaid.
When I look at all the facts known and the strangely many unknowns surrounding saad’s life, work and history, as well as behavior patterns – the ones we turned over and over because they somehow never added up to a credible whole – the more I come to believe in this possibility. there is something incredibly fractured and partial about Saad’s life – it’s like the lego pieces don’t quite fit. When Bluebird said what he/she did it just struck me as the only possible explanation – that the life we were looking at, including work history, spouse, parents, family connections, that strange comment by the neighbour about saad being “watched” – was only a cover story. Like there was something “made up” about it.
Your point about Saad being “protected” and the £800,000 deal being a “leakage” struck another cord. Just a few more elements that fit with the ‘sleeper” going a, as you said, “double native’ (I like that expression – will use it for the script – hope you don’t mind.
But what’s really interesting in all this is iqbal’s role – the late marriage, the unknown employment history, Dubai, the sister fadwa planning to return to Iraq (but not any more). Then the trip to France with Suhaila on board – another mystery woman, who seems to live amodest life in Sweden – kind of out of keeping with family status.
Then there was this interesting circle of Saad friends and associates. Several jewish – and that’s who he chooses to confide in about “ranting” against israel. Really …makes lots of sense but only in an alternative universe, where such disclosures are made for a purpose.
If you were to build up a deep cover for someone from say, Iraq, born to a high ranking family, could you do better than what we were given as saad’s life?
As an aside – your wishes for a profile will be strictly honored. Though, i must tell you, I can do a lot with a spectacled geek in mother’s basement, loafing around with bag of chips (you just had to add the podgy hand, didn’t you?). Sounds like the Clark persona of Superman to me.
Wouldn’t you know – another semi-lengthy post. Unintended – it just happens….
PPS thanks also for the “geek Chorus”. Perfect……
Bluebird, what has been uncovered about Suhails’s husband’s line of work? I seem to remember something was said about it but the memory is vague. one has to assume that he was the reason Suhaila ended up in Sweden.
I believe that Saad being in nuclear science is a false flag and a red herring. This herring has been placed deliberately by intelligence.
Due to what we have heard and what we know today, due to his jobs we had heard about, Saad was an expert in surveillance technology, particularly satellite based and mapping surveillance. I have no doubts regarding that. It would also fit perfectly into his work for intelligence agencies. The nuclear thibg is a waste of time. I did waste my time on that red herring in the first two months, too.
No nuclear, no metals, no zirconium, no hafnium. Red herring.
The only link to metals are Sylvain Mollier and tge French metal workers union. However, they link to the Geneva money and to Saddam Hussein, but not to metals.
Saad was an expert in geographic surveillance technology. E.g. finding gps positions of people of interest by a formula using live satellite images and mobile phone data and face detection. Something that is of high importance in drone wars. He might have been an expert in internet surveillance regarding e.g. google maps, too. Perhaps IP geolication tracking was his knowledge, too. Intercepting and translating Arab communication by satellite surveillance might also have been some of his expertise.
That is where Saad perfectly fits in and what his job and education was like and what would easily link him to be an important MI6 asset.
We do not know about why he was killed yet. We have about 20 more or less likely theories, none of which can be debunked now. However, it had nothing to do with nuclear stuff and iran. However, now we DO definitely know about why there had been made such secrets about the killings and why there was MI6 at the scene in chevaline and military raiding his house shortly afterwards.
Marlin
Due to MSM, Suhyla’s husband was Abdulamir al Saffar. However, you have to be careful about that name, simply because there exists another Abdulamir al Saffar who is quite old, too, and who lives in Canada and works as a dentist. That Abdulamir al Saffar in Canada is the son of Sheikh Hassan al Saffar, a Saudi Shia leader and one of the 10 most important religious leaders of Islam. Sheikh Hassan al Saafar is in constant war with the Saudi regime. He did already organise uprises in al Qatif, the Saudi Shia town.
That Saffar branch might or might not be directly related to the Swedish al Saffars.
However, we know absolutely nothing regarding deseased Swedish abdulamir al saffar. Do we? I just mentioned the Canadian one to avoid confusion when you start googling.
And … can we trust MSM regarding his real name? I dont know. What if Suhyla was in fact married with Saudi Sheykh Hassan Abdulamir al Saffar? And Iqbal was then his daughter? That would strengthen the diplomatic ties and problems, wouldnt it?
Did the Swedish abdulamir al saffar really exist? I dont know.
Marlin
I made a mistake. The canadian abdulamir al saffar isnt a son but a brother of sheikh hassan.
We ought to find a biography of sheykh hassan. However, he cannot be iqbals father as he is only a few years older than iqbal. That was a false idea of mine, though exciting.
The link below is interesting. Tgere is a “Safar Institute” in London for Islamic studies.
http://www.baitulhikmah.com/teachers/shaykh-hasan-ali/
Sheikh Hassan al Saffar
http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=396101
I was just thinking about Saad working in surveillance and encryption.
Saltman’s company name “Fastdata ltd” (neighbour) and the MSM press reports that Saad used several high speed PC’s in his garage.
Fastdata, high speed? What is that used for?
Logic breaks borders!
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/5/
Bb
FORNSAT
Foreign Satellite Collection
That program is used to interlock, spy and encrypt communication via satellite phones.
Does SIS have a similar program? Where is it? Surrey Satellites?
The below quote/link isnt Saad’s curriculum vitae and it isnt related to saad, however, it should read pretty similar. That’s most likely.
Quote:
Foreign Satellite (FORNSAT) Geolocation Center- Environmental Analysis TeamNational Security Agency- USAFJuni 2008 bis Mai 2010Worked with Cross-Access Regional Development Center (CARD) sites to prioritize and schedule all geolocation tasking and operations, supporting all active geolocation operations end-to-end. Trained and briefed customers on all geolocation solutions available for tasking. Coordinated satellite research with Collection Managers, TOPI’s and other FORNSAT personnel, maximizing team resources focused on high priority targets. Corresponded with the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC) to maintain standard codes, cataloging, and capabilities of satellites within world-wide intelligence systems and the Roadbed database. • Analyzed target networks for exploitation of geolocation capabilities • Proficiently developed, identified, and researched market trends and new signals regarding the use of communication systems and technologies that effect mission satellites.
http://www.indeed.com/r/SHANNON-CONNELL/3a4bec1ea6a1a6b8?sp=0
Bluebird wrote:
Yes, but if he in any way intended to disclose the knowledge he had gained about surveillance he would automatically become an enemy of The United States (and by implication Britain, who like Australia and New Zealand are in a special club, which shares top secret intelligence- with Israel on an outer tier, having invented and provided many of the surveillance systems and with second-to-none knowledge of various “Islamists” which can then be traded for other favours, for instance online access from Tel Aviv to NSA databases.) just like Edward Snowden has become.
Also his online rantings about Israel on the internet (if this ever happened as reported) and various subsequent indicators that someone where following him/spying on him, would have made him put two and two together, and he would figured out that some vast surveillance mechanism was in existence.
Thanks for that ref. Bleb
1 Aug, 2013 – 12:03 am. Very interesting. (Armed police guard continuing I notice in passing)
Sorensen
Forum ranting is usually a strong part of good intelligence work. I.e. “feed the sleeping wolves”. Also the Lebanese Mossad spy was well known for his anti Israel rants. It is a usual online tactics to make friends and to build up trust in such forums. First he rants versus Israel and then he’s going to tell about his rants to his Jewish Mossad neighbour? Come on!
Of course we cannot rule out that he played foul versus one or another intelligence agency he was working for. i said before that double cross play, money arguments, blood feud revenge or whistleblowing could be the only reasons.