The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
00.00?? – Hello, is that Tim’s Cornish friend again?
No! This is just the “Quiet American” marking the passing of another day.
We have discussed the “Five Eyes” before. We have had Edward Snowden’s embarrassing (for the US) revelations regarding the NSA’s capability and practice. We have heard how the NSA and GCHQ co-operate to circumvent legal controls. Now we hear that the US has directly funded the latter’s operations at Bude, Cheltenham, Cyprus and Bude, to the tune of £100 000 000 over the last five years.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden
What can we extract from this and the earlier stuff of French surveillance of tele-communications there, in relation to Chevaline? Simple. That any indication, as was made by EM that the investigating teams are in the dark as to SAH, ZAH or SM’s activities on the phone or net, must be INTENTIONAL misinformation.
correction: delete one “Bude”
“The overriding necessity to keep on the right side of the US was revealed in a UK government paper that set out the views of GCHQ in the wake of the 2010 strategic defence and security review. The document was called: “GCHQ’s international alliances and partnerships: helping to maintain Britain’s standing and influence in the world.” It said: “Our key partnership is with the US. We need to keep this relationship healthy. The relationship remains strong but is not sentimental. GCHQ must pull its weight and be seen to pull its weight.”
Astonishingly, the document admitted that 60% of the UK’s high-value intelligence “is based on either NSA end-product or derived from NSA collection”. End product means official reports that are distillations of the best raw intelligence.
“However, there are indications from within GCHQ that senior staff are not at ease with the rate and pace of change. The head of one of its programmes warned the agency was now receiving so much new intelligence that its “mission management … is no longer fit for purpose”.
“In June, the government announced that the “single intelligence account” fund that pays for GCHQ, MI5 and MI6 would be increased by 3.4% in 2015/16. This comes after three years in which the SIA has been cut from £1.92bn to £1.88bn. The agencies have also been told to make £220m savings on existing programmes.”
“In 2006 it received the vast majority of its funding directly from Whitehall, with only £14m from “external” funding. In 2010 that rose to £118m and by 2011/12 it had reached £151m.”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden
And what do people think about this story?
“At least 25 US embassies and consular offices had initially been closed on Sunday in response to a terror threat, a move prompted by intercepts of high-ranking al-Qaeda operatives signalling a major attack.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10222223/US-extends-closure-of-embassies-amid-al-Qaeda-threat.html
“The diplomatic posts to be closed until Saturday included those in: Abu Dhabi, Amman, Cairo, Riyadh, Dhahran, Jeddah, Doha, Dubai, Kuwait, Manama, Muscat, Sanaa, Tripoli, Antanarivo, Bujumbura, Djibouti, Khartoum, Kigali, and Port Louis.
The new closures are located in Madagascar, Burundi, Rwanda and Mauritius. The outposts that are reopening are located in Iraq, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Mauritania and Algeria.
The status of US diplomatic missions in Israel – closed on Sunday amid the security fears – was not immediately clear, with no mention of them in state department statement.
Security was especially tight in Yemen’s capital Sanaa on Sunday where Britain, France and Germany also closed their embassies in the wake of the US warning.”
“what do people think about this story? “
That the spooks are trying to justify what they do by scaring the public & politicians.
Are we to believe these so called terrorists are so stupid that they would pre-announce their activity by extra “chatter”. Unless of course they (AQ) are deliberately bluffing (I know I would be doing that all the time, if was I in their position)
just dropping by – just checked the Silver Fern accounts (perhaps if Freya were so interested, he/she might have tried to book up at, or drive by Brett’s alpine lodge…) up to date list fromn duedil:
14 Feb 2013 Annual Return PDF
28 Feb 2012 Annual Accounts PDF + CSV
14 Feb 2012 Annual Return PDF
28 Feb 2011 Annual Accounts PDF + CSV
14 Feb 2011 Annual Return PDF
28 Feb 2010 Annual Accounts PDF + CSV
14 Feb 2010 Annual Return
Something missing….
I see a parallel between Brett & Mrs Ingrid Loyau-Kennett.
@Bluebird – where did you find the third name of Basil, Ingrid’s son? I couldn’t trace your research via the web.
@Felix – who is Freya? (apart from the Norse goddess)
@Tim V 6 Aug, 2013 – 1:28 pm: Are they still attaching colors to these things? If so, red, orange, yellow and green have been overdone. May I suggest blue, indigo or violet?
Agreed Bleb
6 Aug, 2013 – 1:52 pm. In terms of spookery, Britain it seems a vassal state. Everything reproduced but on a smaller scale. (US closes 25 Embassies, Britain, France and Germany close one) If Chevaline was a CIA operation, particularly if the French were in on it, you can see the bind HM’s Govt. finds itself in. What are four individuals killed when weighed against huge intertwined interests?
Good to see you Felix. Please come back. We need revitalising. We have had some strange posts and posters recently which makes us think we have got close. Now a silence has descended. On the companies front, there are anomalies and signposts there. There is a fair chance SAH and ZAH’s companies were/are fronts for other things. Any opinions?
Then you say “I see a parallel between Brett & Mrs Ingrid Loyau-Kennett. @Bluebird – where did you find the third name of Basil, Ingrid’s son?” Care to expand?
I think I get you Q
6 Aug, 2013 – 11:01 pm. The other end of the spectrum (risk) you mean? How can we take closing an Embassy for one Sunday as anything other than propaganda exercise – particularly after the deeply suspicious Benghazi incident just before the Presidential election?
Then we have this: “The status of US diplomatic missions in Israel – closed on Sunday amid the security fears – was not immediately clear, with no mention of them in state department statement.” When the US needs to close its Israeli Embassy there is something afoot but certainly not from an Al Qaeda direction for sure!
“The status of US diplomatic missions in Israel – closed on Sunday amid the security fears – was not immediately clear, with no mention of them in state department statement.”
“0ne – 0ne = Nil” too. Even CM seems to have got the message.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10077129/Woolwich-attack-Ingrid-Loyau-Kennett-symbolises-everything-radical-Islamism-is-against-she-is-a-woman-free-and-independent.html
On the above, compare and contrast the weapons held @ 1.28 and the second video @ 1.10. In the former he’s holding two (a kitchen knife and butcher’s cleaver) in the second just the cleaver. Otherwise the same moment in time. Just one of those things I suppose?
@Tim a while back, in an internet search for Mrs L-K’s son, I noticed that BB had found a full name for her son; it’s on this forum. Searching the web for this name only brings up BB’s link, hence my curiosity where she discovered it.
i meant Fera, not Freya, the Norse God.
I always thought this was a psy-op, as indeed Anders did. I thought his own “passing” was another… I haven’t wavered from this line of thought in the meantime re Chevaline. Oh, Benghazi too. Not all psy-ops have an obvious purpose.
I wondered what brought Mrs L-K to the area north of Ipswich some years ago; our MSM is never curious. The nearby BT research establishment was a possibility. I think we can safely say she will vanish from the media, like WBM has; they also only had one televised interview, BBC and ITV respectively.
….correction
thanks, Tim, I hadn’t seen that Telegraph exclusive interview with Ingrid; so the ITV footage wasn’t unique.
what a bizarre piece; “living quietly in London”…I thought she lived near Helston in Cornwall! Also, the “body” wasn’t in John Wilson Street but in Wellington Street.
“it symbolises everything radical Islamism is against: she is a woman, she is free, she is walking about independently, she is publicly challenging a man on his beliefs”
[ah, the take-home message]
“Please put Ingrid Loyau-Kennett in charge of something other than a group of London cub scouts”
Which London group might that be?
Video 2: “The car accidented”
This is ludicrous…trying to make her sound soo Fraynch. More like the dubbing on Belle and Sebastian.
Felix
Basil’s full name came from himself from his own twitter account.
Uf his twitter account is still active and uf nothing was deleted yet then this post must still be there on his twitter. However, this wasnt a recent post. You have to read back months if not a year long all his messages. I did that. Twitter accounts often provide a lot of info.
Correction
Uf = if
Bloody mobile phone keyboard! @#$&*
At the time I highlighted the inexplicable and frankly irrational way in which the axeman was filmed by an obviously un-phased, professional cameraman (who has never been identified) who just “happened” to be passing at the time. Then we have the fact that the video shown on the TV, edited out two pedestrians walking past him as he ranted. Then there is the point I made above which clearly shows “photo shopping” on the second image which has removed the kitchen knife, leaving only the more dramatic meat cleaver. (Check it out for yourself if you don’t take my word for it) This may not prove SIS involvement but it does prove the images presented to the public were manipulated at least.
On a different point, we definitely had a phase of strange disruptive posts here in the last few days followed by a relative famine. What could be the explanation?
How Saudi authorities are cracking down on free expression on the internet. 600 lashes should do it.
http://www.trust.org/item/20130806095316-uc4m2/
Strange how most “Al Qaeda” operatives and operations seem to originate from this territory, which implements draconian powers domestically to stifle any evidence of dissent and which paradoxically appears above any criticism from the west. I wonder why?
Then we have this recent Israeli spy story with a twist. Meeting Iranians in Germany you notice.
http://www.wpxi.com/videos/news/israeli-charged-with-trying-to-spy-for-iran/v8Qr2/
Compare and contrast with the treatment of Zygier.
see: http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/03/24/zygier-case-revealed-in-failing-to-penetrate-iran-and-hezbollah-he-exposed-israeli-spies-in-lebanon/
One point to notice, it is claimed that Zygier was posted to the accounts section of the Milan firm. What does that remind me of?
Pink, Marlin
Thanks for the map links. Couldn’t get the interactive one on my old I-pad,and the Chevaline visitor one
doesn’t give much idea of the terrain,but the map based on the aerial photo shows the lie of the land rather well. The official name of the road I drove up is route Forestiere Domaniale de Combe d’ Ire, which is announced by a sign if you continue on the road signed to Chevaline from Doussard. I assume the local authority keep this road signed and in good repair as they would rather visitors did not risk damaging their suspension on minor roads. I think the road taken by Alex was probably route Forestiere
de Chevaline, which becomes Chemin Rural dit Pres de la Montagne, and comes very close to the route
Combe d’Ire deeper into the forest.
Felix
I did want to include WBM’s gite in the detour, but was outvoted. As WBM lives for some of the time at
Lathuille, which is not far from Combe d’Ire, I suspect he may have chosen the venue for the meeting which I’m pretty sure was supposed to take place there.
there.
Delete final there, please
“I always thought this was a psy-op, as indeed Anders did. I thought his own “passing” was another…” Felix, 6:45am, today.
What, are you saying that you think someone murdered Anders, who used to post here? I thought he’d died of entirely natural causes – someone posted info. about him, shortly afterwards.
Fera, alas, it was the Route Forestiere Domaniale de Combe’d”ire that was the rod to the martinet which is the one Alex took. This IS the road that is in bad repair and takes upward of 8 minutes to navigate and IS the one Alex drove up on. No other road ends up at the Martinet without cutting through the forest.
The “route rural” you refer to (or is it the Route ancien …Combe d’Ire”?) is just a forest track and is in even worse shape than the Route Forestiere.
Sorry but if you maintain you took the Route Forestiere Domaniale du Combe d”Ire then I must conclude you couldn’t have. There is NO well maintained and ‘well signed” road leading to the martinet. There just isn’t snd no, this particular route forestiere was not really intended for tourists (virtual ones excepted).
If you did read through the old threads here and at MZT you’d have found that there was a lot of skepticism expressed about the reasons SAH would go up such an off-the-beaten track road accidentally – what with a car full of family “not dressed for a hike” – unless he had intended to.
You know, in taking virtual drives through the countryside, interactive capability is essential. Perhaps a computer rather than an i-Pad could have helped?
@Fera
There are two roads but they converge at what you called the graffiti building from there you have to drive up the combe d ire quite a long way to get to the layby which is where the vehicle access ends and that is what alex drove up ,I do wonder if you actually drove far enough.
I wonder what Marlin will make of it .
Ahh I see you have commented Marlin sorry I was on google maps I wonder if fera just didn’t go far enough up the combe de ire.
Okay, guys ‘n’ gals, as you know, periodically I drop in to this thread to ask what the current consensus is here about whodunnit, and why. So, please do share your thoughts. Whodunnit, and why? What’s the current view, people?