The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
The URL I provided is OK,and will take you to the relevant blog post. It seems like Steve have messed up his URL’s.
We’ll just have to take your word for it!
… or learn German http://www.lawblog.de/index.php/archives/2010/08/17/skype-staat-hort-mit/
@Peter
Thank you. Those of us not fluent in German can always use “google translate”.
Peter
Skype was ok and secret until 2006. Since 2006, however, it would be even more save and more private to chat on facebook or with your landline telephone than using skype. Skype is open for every government agency including IRS.
Bluebird – you must try to elaborate further so that everyone understands it. Remember not everyone has your razor sharp mind and exquisite research and processing skills, and we just need it to be spelled out in laymans terms, whats this is all about.
I was referringto all this Lippmanns stuff
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2012/10/04/alps-murders-probe-a-long-task/
Annecy’s chief prosecutor Eric Maillaud said: “It’s a long task and there’s nothing that gives hope of a result in the near future.”
I take that to mean that they are looking at Zaid with everything that they have got.
Lipmann… Lippman… any connection is speculative… like some of BB’s putative al-Saffar and al-Hilli connections.
I know someone with the same (not particularly common) surname as myself from the same part of the country as myself – within 40kms. Having looked into it no connection can be shown back to the mid-18th century.
Sorensen
I think that my links are pretty understandable.
I link and combine facts and families into groups of common interest regarding to what is currently happening in this world.
Give you an example with keywords brought up by some other posters.
SAH – Mollier
SAH – Zaid al hilli
SAH claygate, Zaid Walton upon Thames
Mollier – zirconium hafnium – cezus
Walton upon Thames & Kingston upon Thames centre of the Shia London Group who has power in the Middle East
Zirconium hafnium – MMTA
MMTA world wide trade control of nuclear elements
Lippman in Walton upon Thames
Lippman chairman of MMTA
SAH – Al Saffar – hezbollah
Hezbollah – iran
Zirconium hafnium cleaned – needed by Iran
Sanctions Iran
Lippman – Walter Lippman
Walter Lippman – council of foreign relations (founder)
Council – iran – intelligence services
Intelligence MMTA security firm located in Walton upon Thames
CFR council acquired es airforce members for security business within their council and enclosed security firms (wikipedia)
RAF man?
Those things noticed here are all facts and no speculations. Fit the puzzle together like you wish to.
I cannot make it out, Bluebird. My brain is like the equivalent of a Commodore 64. It does have its uses, and it can reach some usable results. But it takes time, oh, boy it takes time.
So I will wait until someone equipeed with Deep Blue’s come along — like Anders — who can explain it to the rest of us, what this all means.
I dont blame you, sorensen. I present facts supported by links. I did present facts regarding the family branches al saffar and al hilli supported with links. CD cannot deny facts.
However, i dont explain and i dont make conclusions.
I dont care who the killers were. However if i can help to explain a riddle then i will try so.
I do present facts and relations, what i have done herewith.
What you or third parties will construct with the facts might be left up to yourself.
Regarding the Al Hilli family tree, you could perhaps post on David Icke if you have anything that you think I missed and that should be included? The family tree is a good way to convey the make up of this family. For instance it is only after having made this tree that I understand that Ikbal had 4 siblings.
{http://www.myheritage.com/site-family-tree-195053521/al-hilli}
Well done Bluebird… I’m with you & see how they are all linked.
As MMTA are an apparently up front organisation I don’t see smuggling here do you ?
What could be happening is that they know who IS selling these metals illegally/smuggling & have made it known to AH..who also knows.making him a liability, because as we’ve seen he seems to tell the world what he’s about.
Or maybe his father did, those papers he had to hide which contain some sort of incriminating information.
I still think you are right about the mob connection. I have done some extensive reading on them & their involvement with Obama, it’s quite chilling the way they do ‘website scrubbing’,books,libraries,papers,blogs, you name it if it affects them they get it removed by threats .
One poor chap was bumped off because he had something to say about O’s past sexual exploits…….lots more on that.
KS – re Iqbal’s siblings… who other than Haydar and Fadwa?
Smuggling is highly unlikely as a motive in this case as perpetrators are almost universally arrested rather than slaughtered.
This is true, even in cases of smuggling nuclear material to Iran. And even if the amount is in the tons, rather than kilos.
See the wealth of links I posted earlier today for evidence. (And you can easily find your own if you don’t like the sources I posted.)
On the other hand, scientists aiding Iran’s nuclear programme are regularly assassinated by Israel and its proxies.
I think it’s clear which one is more likely.
I dont think SAH could have been a Mi5 or Mi6 asset because of his anger towards the royal family, The state of Israel, the west and the Iraq war, I think that what happened with his family business property and the plight his wife and SAH saw in Iran was why he decided to work for Tehran!
Why would he have a 20k computer in his home, certainly not for posting rants on message boards? I think he created a back door into the Satellitte system and was warning Iran of the military build up at its boarders or i could go back to my original theory of bringing down an Israelie spy satelitte (as this was the only sats in this area) to help in the Iran vs Israel/US & UK cold war!
It has been mentioned before but SAH’s Radar Satellittes could have been used to watch his demise!
Again we mentioned this on the old thread we will probably never know why or by whom but we need to keep highlighting cracks in the offical story and not get bogged down by the big question!
I just dont know how they expect us to accept the official line from inspector Closeau, the police in this day and age have no leads? no CCTV, emails, phone calls (and whatever they found in the safe) that point them in the right direction? they just fob us off with well I dont think we will have any information for a longtime??? this doesnt fill anyone with confidence and if this was my family id be doing flips!
It just shows how little they know about this incident probably because of whitehall red tape!
BB, a list of facts is fine, but you must accept that any number of stated facts may have no correlation, or an unprovable correlation. I know someone whose name is Murray… ergo he is a relation of Craig’s? No. Ergo he has the same interest or politics as Craig? No. Ergo he is ‘linked’ to Craig? Only in the most general way possible – they have the same surname.
Now I know lots of intra tribal/clan relationships and they can be both positive and negative – blood loyalty, family feuds etc.
Here’s a ‘fact’ you haven’t mentioned – the last ‘King’ of Iraq (descendant of British-imposed Hashemite from Saudi) who was deposed in 1958 had bought a stately home for himself in Surrey. In fact there are so many Iraq/Surrey ‘links’ that erroneous assumptions are every bit as likely as correct ones.
@Ricki I dont think SAH could have been a Mi5 or Mi6 asset because of his anger towards the royal family, The state of Israel, the west and the Iraq war, I think that what happened with his family business property and the plight his wife and SAH saw in Iran was why he decided to work for Tehran!
Unless… he was told to be those things in order to forge links with the genuinely disaffected?
I think the £20k worth of computers has been answered earlier – CAD software, processing and rendering capacity.
@Thomas
UK cleared nuclear cargo to Iran
British officials have allowed the export to Iran of a cargo of radioactive material that experts believe could be used in a nuclear weapons programme, The Observer can reveal.
Thomas, I note you were somewhat selective with the exerpt you quoted from the Guardian article about the shipment of Zirconium ore from the UK to Iran on 31 Aug 2005.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jan/08/iran.observerpolitics
The exerpt you quoted left the reader with the impression that it could not be used by Iran for its nuclear programme.
This is a great pity, for if you had included the two paragraphs immediatly following, the exact opposite impression would have been created, and readers here would have been all the better informed.
A Department of Trade and Industry spokeswoman said: ‘The DTI informed the Bulgarian authorities that the goods as described were not controlled under UK export control (as the hafnium content of the sand was 1.1 per cent by weight) and did not therefore require an export licence… this particular case raised no WMD end-use concerns.’
However, John Large, an independent nuclear consultant, said: ‘It is not a very sophisticated process to extract the zirconium from such material. Even though it appears that technically this cargo does not fall within the international controls, I would still be concerned. Zirconium is used for two purposes: one for cladding nuclear fuel rods inside a reactor and as material for a nuclear weapon. If Iran wanted this material for any illicit purposes, this would be one way it could get its hands on it.‘
So if anyone is still wondering where Iran could get its zirconium ore from for a nuclear reactor or nuclear weapons, we need look no further than the good old United Kingdom.
@Ricki Tarr: Boeing and Airbus are competitors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_between_Airbus_and_Boeing
To anyone it concerns re: metallurgists. Metallurgists and those who operate beamlines are crucial in the nuclear business. The alloys for nuclear fuel rods are critical to the nuclear reaction. This subject is continually and heavily studied by academics and industry. Metallurgists study the riddles of finding the best alloys for the job, and finding out what went wrong when things like fuel rods fail. It’s a dance between so many factors at the sub-atomic level, such as fuel, the water used in the reactor and the rods themselves. Corrosion is the reactor’s enemy.
It is highly likely IMO that someone like Sylvain Mollier could have been a great asset for solving a nuclear reactor problem.
It is not just “nuclear scientists” or “atomic physicists” that go missing or die mysteriously. It is the people who operate beamlines, and who hold the knowledge thay gain in that line of work. Such people seem to slip under the radar when it comes to lists of dead scientists. As those around one such scientist implied, why would anyone want to kill him: he was not an atomic physicist? He didn’t operate a reactor!!! No, grasshopper, but he was a physicist who held the keys to making those nuclear reactors work.
As one in the field once said, “Anyone can build a nuclear reactor. The devil is in the materials science.”
Given the previous problem with fuel rods from Cezus in the first thread, Sylvain Mollier could have been a valuable asset for those trying to solve the fuel rod puzzle.
Thanks Q, very well reasoned.
Can I ask, for those of us less in the know, what are “beamlines” exactly? Is this the same thing as a particle accelerator? And how is it that “those who operate beamlines are crucial in the nuclear business”?
I am quite surprised that the shipment of zirconium from the UK to Iran is only now a topic of discussion, as I posted it in thread #1, and corrected Dave Brooker yesterday for saying the shipment never arrived at its destination.
FWIW, around the same time, I posted a link to shipments of tritium from Canada to Iran, in the form of glow-in-the dark lights and compasses. A tritium recycling plant in Pembroke, Ontario appears to have taken in shipments of tritium signs from the U.S. (including from a big, blue box store) and recycled them into products for Iran.
More on tritium here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU_reactor
You can thank Canada for helping China develop these technologies. And China is sharing the love.
The components of the fuel itself inside the fuel rods are, of course, another factor in the complex interaction inside a nuclear reactor. Metallurgists are very important in all this.
Surely Cezus would have used the extensive facilities at Grenoble to help them study their materials.
CD
4 Oct, 2012 – 2:13 pm:
Yassar, chief economist at the Bank of England and
Tariq – the one referred to as “mentally disturbed”
But why don’t you check out the family tree:
{http://www.myheritage.com/site-family-tree-195053521/al-hilli}
CD, what is very good with Arab/Muslim compared to our Christian names in the Western World:
1) Name of father, often grandfather are part of the names.
2) Married wives keep their girlnames
That makes it pretty easy for us to create confirmed family branches with Arab names.
a) given name, b) name of father, c) name of grandfather d) name of tribe/origin
E.g. Mohammed Hashim Zaid al-Faisal
would be Mohammed Faisal whose father was Hashim Faisal and whose Grandfather was Zaid Faisal.
If he was married with Suhyla Mohammad al-Fatih
then the name of his wife would be Suhyla al-Fatih while the name of her father was Mohammad al-Fatih.
The al-Fatih family and the al-Faisal family. However, Suhyla still belongs to the al Fatih family although she was married with the al-Faisal tribe. However, all of their children, male and female, are etting the Al-Faisal name.
Therefore it is very easy indeed to find brothers and sisters, even common grandfathers, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc. since they are all part of the name.
When Blsham al-Hilli is called Balsham Hashim al Hilli then we know that her father’s name was Hashim al Hilli whether or not she is already married. When we see by spelling his name, that Australian Ali Hashim Al-Hilli has also got the same father, then we know that they are brother and sister. Even more intriguing it is to search longer names where their grandfathers were included as well. Often in official passport names, grandfathers and grandgrandfathers names are part of the surname as well. Often the names are shortened in daily usage. However, Ali Hashim Al-Hilli might call himself legit Ali-Hashim, too. He doesn’t need to add the Al-Hilli to his name.
That’s why our Saad al Hilli could easily called himself Saad Khadim Al Hilli or shortened Saad Khadim, too. I already posted an internet board message link of Saad Khadim in the other blog here.
Therefore, dear CD, your “Murray” example is completely absurd and tells us nothing about Arab names and their branches since you cannot compare Christian names and Arab names at all.
“But what could have motivated SM and SAH to work together on some dodgy undertaking that could have got both of them killed?”
They both needed money?
“I am quite surprised that the shipment of zirconium from the UK to Iran is only now a topic of discussion, as I posted it in thread #1”
But that’s a different sort of zirconium used in the ceramics industry, and as has been pointed out something that Iran actually exports.
Linx International Ltd
Burgundy House
6 Snellings Road
Hersham
Walton on Thames
Surrey
KT12 5JG
United Kingdom
http://www.linx-int.com/contact/
Linx is the Security firm for MMTA.
Lipmann Walton & Co. Ltd
OFFICE AND REGISTERED ADDRESS
Burgundy House,
6 Snellings Road,
Hersham,
Walton on Thames,
Surrey, KT12 5JG
Lipmann is official trader of Hafnium and Zirconium in the UK. Anthony Lipmann was chairman of MMTA and he is consultant for the British Parliament regarding trade of nuclear material.
Question: Who can find out something more about the activities of LINX?
Question: Can RAF man get related to LINX?
Question: What could me find out more about the Security guys listed in the “Our people” section of their websites?
Question: Can we link one of them with our RAF guy?
Re bluebird 4 Oct, 2012 – 10:04 am
Ferriran has its own zircon mining facilities. Hence, they even export zircon and zircon silicate.
If this is true then the problem is processing industry-grade zirconium &/hafnium – in Iran – rather than importing raw materials?
…and Lipman, Lippman, is a jewish name , in fact most ..man names are
“So if anyone is still wondering where Iran could get its zirconium ore from for a nuclear reactor or nuclear weapons, we need look no further than the good old United Kingdom.”
The stuff they brought here was just some industrial product with no nuclear potential use.