The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Additon: This is the sister company of Lippman’s MMTA security firm:
http://www.perpetuitytraining.com/
Perhaps some of you could link our RAF guy with them?
“If this is true then the problem is processing industry-grade zirconium &/hafnium – in Iran – rather than importing raw materials?”
Which is why they’d need the skills of our deceased Frenchman.
do you really think a jew will trade with iran? answer = probably yes
“Question: Who can find out something more about the activities of LINX?”
I thought we’d already established that Iran has no difficulty getting hold of zirconium, and in fact has that much it exports it?
What we need to know is if they’ve had problems refining it to the purity needed for nuclear use.
@Big Daddy
Yes, Anthony Lippman is Jeweish and his mother was in Auschwitz. He does not deny that he is Jewish and neither did Walter Lippman deny.
However, the Lippman family, particularly Anthony (MMTA), are known for their rather openminded, rather socialist world dogma. They are Jewish but they don’t like what Israel is doing. They intend to create a peaceful world. They are all but hardliners. I can see the Lippmans rather supporting the Arab and Muslim side than hurting it. The Lippman family is – at least officially and about what they are saying – not very supportive of Israel.
@Ferret:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamline
http://www.esrf.eu/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_crystallography
There are different kinds of beamlines for different purposes. Daresbury Laboratory and Rutherford Appleton have beamlines.
Lachlan Cranswick was respected internationally for his work in this field. He was well-versed in operating various types of beamlines, and shared free software with those from developing nations. Scientists from around the world connected with him regarding the touchy calculations needed to get the best results from the equipment. He had studied part of one of the crashed space shuttles using these methods during his tenure at the National Research Council Canadian Neutron Beam Centre at AECL Chalk River. He had a Masters degree, not a PhD.
Lachlan Cranswick had worked in the labs at Grenoble, where he did some work on a capillary in that critical year, 2003. He mentioned the use of a dental drill attached to the equipment. We are left to speculate what that project was about, and why he left Daresbury Laboratory.
Biologists and biochemists use beamlines to research pharmaceuticals, disease, etc. I suppose they could discover if human remains had been irradiated by a dental procedure, say, zirconium dental implants, rather than a WMD?
maybe it was an iranian hit squad pretending to be MOST ‘ARD because they were sold some duff zirc ? 🙂
@ Kenneth Sorensen 4 Oct, 2012 – 3:12 pm
al-Saffars
Sister… Fadwa; brother… Haydar Thaher (46)… (UK)
cousins… Yasser and Hasan (Sweden)
uncle… Ahmed
father (deceased, 2011 Sweden) Abdul-Amir
Cite a source for Yasser being a brother.
Dave Brooker. LINX is the security firm for MMTA, of course coincidentally located at the same address of Lippman Walton & Co Ltd.
That question isn’t zirconium related but RAF man related. We’re already one step further.
UK cleared nuclear cargo to Iran
Defence experts demand tightening of export regulations on potential weapon materials.
Antony Barnett
The Observer, Sunday 8 January 2006
British officials have allowed the export to Iran of a cargo of radioactive material that experts believe could be used in a nuclear weapons programme, The Observer can reveal.
…
John Large, an independent nuclear consultant, said: ‘It is not a very sophisticated process to extract the zirconium from such material. Even though it appears that technically this cargo does not fall within the international controls, I would still be concerned. Zirconium is used for two purposes: one for cladding nuclear fuel rods inside a reactor and as material for a nuclear weapon. If Iran wanted this material for any illicit purposes, this would be one way it could get its hands on it.‘
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jan/08/iran.observerpolitics
@Q
I am quite surprised that the shipment of zirconium from the UK to Iran is only now a topic of discussion, as I posted it in thread #1, and corrected Dave Brooker yesterday for saying the shipment never arrived at its destination.
“Disinfo Dave” is churning, using recycled material from thread #1, and interspersing his own seeds of confusion.
Very interesting re the CANDU reactor – much new information for me.
🙂
Any chance you could help me out re beamlines? And why such scientists are so important for the nuclear industry?
“British officials have allowed the export to Iran of a cargo of radioactive material that experts believe could be used in a nuclear weapons programme, The Observer can reveal.”
yet the CIA stitch this guy up with entrapment scam… a stitch in time saves 9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Tappin
CD, I cite bluebird [probably 4-5 pages back from here) as a source for Yassar Al Saffar, chief economist at the Bank of England, being the brother of Ikbal, wife of Saad
@Dave Brooker: “The stuff they brought here was just some industrial product with no nuclear potential use.”
Sure. And as a similar example, the recycled tritium from glow-in-the-dark signs that used to hang in big box stores but was reprocessed and shipped to Iran as new lights and compasses cannot possibly be recycled once again for use in nuclear fuel, etc.?
Iran has already stated that they succeeded in making their own fuel rods. See previous links posted on this thread. The wizardry comes in finding the exact mix between fuel, fuel rod, reactor water and the lining of the reactor itself. That is no easy thing. Getting the alloy right would be crucial. That is where the knowledge of a metallurgist with years of experience in this field would be quite valuable.
Therefore it is very easy indeed to find brothers and sisters, even common grandfathers, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc. since they are all part of the name.
You assume that all western/christian family lines are very different but you’re generalising – especially when it comes to the passing on of paternal firstnames which, when coupled with the same surname are often differentiated by the addition of a second name. You will see this frequently in celtic countries.
You’re assuming that men from al-Hilli never have the same first name, or that their fathers never have the same first name, and they may not be related to each other.
So, there may well be two un-related people on the planet called Ali al-Hilli whose fathers were both called Khalid. One might have a sister called Yasmin Khalid al-Hilli, the other might have a sister called Leila Khalid al-Hilli. Yasmin and Leila are not sisters, as your theory – in the absence of proof – might suggest.
““Disinfo Dave” is churning, using recycled material from thread #1, and interspersing his own seeds of confusion.”
Allow me to help you with your confusion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zirconium(IV)_silicate
It’s a different material with a similar name, that’s why it go an export licence and it was allowed on it’s way.
“Getting the alloy right would be crucial. That is where the knowledge of a metallurgist with years of experience in this field would be quite valuable.”
Exactly.
And one with plenty of time on his hands due to being off work.
Al-Hilli, the computer-aided design engineer (requiring GBP20K of kit):
Where did this info come from?
Two sources.
The accountant (again!) Julian Stedman and the cryptic James who who used to dine with the family regularly – Middle-eastern style, no doubt. Can we believe these sources?
James also provided family history background, He said that Mr al-Hilli’s mother had died about 10 years ago while his father died last year to The Independent.
Bluebird I only now see this post of yours from 11.40 this morning. what is the point of posting something that nobody sees? You must know by now that posts including 2 links gets delayed, so you should put them in brackets, like this:
[Here is your post again in brackets]
—
There might be something in it, and I will explore it now. but what is the point form a communications point of view to post something that you must know by now that very few people will see?
CD, your example is valid. However, the second proof you can get on 192.com when you find out whether or not those two sisters are registered in the same house. If they are registered in the same house, then your examply will become invalid, wouldn’t it?
And finally, you got ancestry.com for final approval.
Some other coincidences about LINX Security firm:
Their mastermind, David Gill has links on linkedln to:
Trevor Rees
Iraq Corporate Security Manager Halliburton
who has links to:
David Hesketh – MBA
Director of Security – Iraq at Sonangol
Steven Nicholl CPP MSyI
Regional Security Manager at Halliburton
Alex Bomberg
CEO at International Intelligence Limited & Group CEO; Intelligent (UK Holdings) Limited
Guy “Norm” Bates
UK Armed Forces at MOD UK
Qualifications:
– Current DV and higher security clearance
– Cat B and C driving license
– Advanced, evasive and Defensive driver
– Off road vehicle driver trained
– Battlefield trauma and first aid medicine
– Dynamic targeting and precision strike
– Endurance training leader
– Laser target marker operator
– Reconnaissance operator
– Heavy weapons Instructor
– Small arms instructor
– Unarmed defense / combat trained
– Close combat attack instructor (rotary)
– Close air support supervisor / instructor (fixed wing)
– Desert, Amphibious, Arctic and Temperate warfare
– Close quarter combat
– Communications HF, VHF, UHF, TACSAT, DATA
… and with many other individuals and CEOs in this security field connected with Iraq.
What kind of data do we currently have about RAF man?
Address, area? Business? Such information would eventually help finding links with people who are linked with David Gill.
@Ferret: People like Lachlan Cranswick can tell from an examination of metals at the sub-atomic level, exactly went wrong. In the case of a leak of tritium from a nuclear reactor, for example, a skilled and experienced scientist could tell why an alloy in a fuel rod failed.
Lachlan Cranswick had finished a report on the day that he vanished. The NRC does contract work for industry. Such reports are confidential. The nature of that final report has never been disclosed. Some of his international colleagues inquired in scientific forums about his “Japanese friend”. Cranswick disappeared in January 2010. Then came March 2011. Did Cranswick find a problem with fuel rod cladding in Japanese reactors? We can only speculate.
Another one of my comments is awaiting moderation.
Kenneth, I know that posts with links are delayed. However, if I don’t post those links to approve my finding, everybody would believe that I am just nuts and having a bad conspiracy fantasy. It is unfortunate that such posts with links end up in nirvana and only a few are reading them. However, it is even more unfortunate that many people don’t bother to read those links and then after 3 or 4 days they begin exactly oince again with the same question that has already been resolved several days ago by providing links with confirmation. Sometimes I believe we are here acting like golden hamsters in their wheel instead of going forward step by step. Some are doing that, however, some others are spinning the wheel and restarting every two or three days with the same that had been already researched, approved and confirmed several days ago.
@Q
Many thanks.
🙂
Just put those links in { } brackets as I have done above with your post from 11.40 am. You must do that in the future, because the purpose is supposedly that people. (and I mean the maximum possible)..you know…actually reads them.
CD, your example is valid. However, the second proof you can get on 192.com when you find out whether or not those two sisters are registered in the same house. If they are registered in the same house, then your examply will become invalid, wouldn’t it? And finally, you got ancestry.com for final approval.
Depending how reliable and up-to-date such sources may be. To be honest, in our discussions here I think we can only speak in terms of likelihood or degree of probability rather than ‘proof’. We have to allow for incomplete data and errors arising from assumptions.
@Ferret:
From the wiki beamline link above:
“It is imperative to have all beamline sections, magnets, etc., aligned by a survey and alignment crew by using a laser tracker. All beamlines must be within micrometre tolerance. Good alignment helps to prevent beam loss, and beam from colliding with the pipe walls, which creates secondary emissions and/or radiation.”
This is where Lachlan Cranswick came in. He was an expert at beamline calculations. From what I have read, an older model of beamline would perform differently from a new one. Each individual beamline would have its own quirks once it was installed on site.
A poorly-done beamline test could give false results quite easily. Irradiation of a a sample by the beamline itself could not be distinguished from primary irradiation by another source.
A sample of irradiated human remains or some other material could be mistakenly identified as coming from a WMD rather than from the beamline itself, in the hands of a technician who is not top notch.
Further to my previous post, “medical lasers” covers a lot of ground, doesn’t it?
All in all, Bluebird, my advice to you is just keep banging on. when one has found a subject that one finds have some bearing, its just about getting this message out. You will also find that prominent bloggers like Stephen Walt and andrew sullivan has some points that they keep coming back to and view as essential. In Walt’s case it is the excessive influence of The Israel lobby on U.S. Foreign Pplicy, and his point is that this harms both the US and Israel.
@Kenneth Sorensen
Al-Saffar – chief econonomist in Threadneeded Street? Relative? I don’t think so.
Yaser [sic] Al-Saffar University of York 2002-3 [M.Sc Economics].
Daily Telegraph:
At the same time Ikbal’s family, who live in Sweden, said that they were going to meet to discuss the girls’ future. Her cousin, Yasser Al Saffar, said the family wanted “to comfort each other and discuss the best way forward”.
if SAH was selling info to iran obviously knowing he was under watch from uk dark forces then that would be very stupid thing to do esp having children to care about…unless he was a double… also talk about him handing over a usb memory stick device to SM… well there are far easier ways to get digital info across the world, without endangering yourself and family by driving to a deserted wood… of course he may still be alive and in an I.D change program, those ones they give to fe/male child killers/associates, the ones that have d. notices attached…. we will never see SAH’s children ever again i reckon but must be tough for his near relatives… WAR HUH? WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR ?
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING… SAH IT AGAIN….