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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Ricki Tarr

    Saad going or planning to Geneva on the day he was killed reminded me of an old article that mentioned Saad wanting to get a job ot CERN LHC that is based in Geneva, do you think he was going for a job there, this also madero think of the article that came out last week of a large percentage of Hezbollah applying for a large percentage of CIA/Intelligence work!

  • Tim V

    Ricki Tarr
    14 Sep, 2013 – 10:10 am re Hezbollah it is a very uncomfortable notion to get our heads around that mainstream “terrorist” organisations are actually working for the very organisations that are publicly committed to destroying them! This is true of the “Muslim Brotherhood” (as a counterweight to Nasser), it was true of the Mujahideen (to counter USSR invasion forces), it was true of Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden being treated in an American hospital only days before 9/11! This is in addition to State tyrants supported and then abandoned as was Saddam Hussein. Nothing in international relations is as we are told. As demonstrated in the above video, the CIA and banking system actually facilitated the huge illegal drugs industry. The CIA is effectively an unaccountable government within government. Total CIA plus Military “intelligence” budget is running at $75 BILLION and this is only a small proportion of the total defence budget. Where does all this money go if not to clandestine operations? No one really knows.
    https://www.fas.org/irp/budget/index.html

  • katie

    More details on Benghazi in this very good article:

    “Why was the attack not anticipated by intelligence sources? Why were warnings ignored that the mission building was inadequate for its job?
    Was the response from Washington on the night in question bungled? What precisely did the President know and when? Or did he sleep though the whole thing?”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420334/Why-did-CIA-let-crazed-al-Qaeda-mob-kill-Americas-ambassador-Moment-moment-atrocity-thats-sent-U-S-frenzy-suspicion-recrimination.html#ixzz2esQ0bLuz

  • Tim V

    Get this image from the News conference:

    http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/british-detective-superintendent-nick-may-speaks-next-to-news-photo/179641491

    “A picture speaks a thousand words”!

    OK you “body language” experts – what does this say. EM looks distinctly uncomfortable whilst the rather relaxed looking English detective speaks don’t you think? (Crossed arms classically defensive/secretive/uneasy. Head turned with a “you dare” look in his eyes) Or perhaps just my vivid imagination?

  • Tim V

    For anyone interested in such things there is an interesting insight into how EDITING is used to protect and modify, without specific reference to it by the BBC and other news outlets.

    If you go to that i player reference you will see there is the sound only transmission and what purports to an identical visual copy.

    Towards the end questions are sought and a person who only identifies himself by the name “John” asks a question. (The clear suggestion being that he works for the security services)

    However on the visual version this question is edited out altogether, presumably to protect his identity? “Don’t announce it and no one will notice” – the subtle use of truth but not the WHOLE truth is nevertheless a form of DECEPTION.

  • Tim V

    Detective Superintendent Nick May said: “The tragic events of a year ago left four people dead in appalling circumstances.

    “”We remain committed to finding answers to what happened that day on behalf of their families, particularly for the two young girls who lost their parents.

    “This remains a complex enquiry and we continue to have a team of officers dedicated to supporting the investigation.”

    The prosecutor and Surrey detectives are due to hold a news conference in Annecy on Friday, but are not expected to reveal any breakthrough in the case.”
    http://news.sky.com/story/1137500/alps-murder-suspect-denies-involvement

    The last paragraph proved to be remarkably percipient. Nothing new was revealed other than vague theories and accusations directed at ZAH. This despite EM warning against such!

    Is it not amazing that this press conference on the the first anniversary, use it to present a full description of the FACTS currently established? One would have thought it would have been replete with visuals of the layby identifying precisely where the people and vehicles were located immediately after the event; the results of the forensics and particularly where shell casings were found and mapped and what injuries were identified in relation to the victims, and where lead shot ended up; the vehicles identified by witnesses and their part in the events; and many other specific points such as how many, in what sequence, were the witnesses to the scene before the police arrived. None of this information could conceivably prejudice subsequent proceedings and it would be easy to retain any specifics known only by the killers.

    And another weird fact. Even at this late stage in unsolved crimes, the police invariably are anxious to seek public help. Uniquely NOT in this case. Not ONE request for one iota of information! And still not even a visual representation of three of the four of the victims from a French source and no explanation for this exceptional intentional absence either!

    I can find no report of the questions asked at that “press conference”! Were there any? Can anyone else find them? Yet more convincing evidence this not just an ordinary crime or investigation.

  • Tim V

    Where are you BB? Where are you Marlin? Where are you Felix?

    I long ago drew attention to the strange coincidences (?) of timing, numerals, vocabulary and associated symbolism. For example the fact that it was 40 years to the DAY the Israeli Olympic team was massacred at Munich which resulted in Golda Meir launch “Operation Wrath of God” targeting all those remaining alive, implicated in the Munich assault. “Wrath” is a second level synonym to “Ire” in which valley the Chevaline massacre took place. The Palestinian group formed in 1970 in Damascus, for the action was called “Black September”. In Haute Savoie we have the black stream from the Mountain of Coal don’t we?

    So is it possible the two events are connected in some way and more particularly the extended Al Hilli clan related in some way to the perpetrators of the Munich event? Then I came across this little quote:

    “As a result of the failure of Lillehammer and his alleged CIA protection, Salameh felt relatively safe, and hence did not act like a man on the run. Having lived under cover in various parts of the Middle East and Europe, in 1978 he married Georgina Rizk, a Lebanese celebrity who had been Miss Universe seven years earlier in 1971. The couple spent their honeymoon in Hawaii and then stayed at Disneyland, California.[2] When Rizk became pregnant, she returned to her flat in Beirut where Salameh also rented a separate apartment.Rizk was six months pregnant at the time of his death.[3] By a prior marriage he was a grandson-in-law of Mohammad Amin al-Husayni.”

    Note the protection afforded by CIA to one of the alleged leaders of the Black September group. Of course this was closely connected to the German Baader-Meinhof “Red Action” group that facilitated the Munich attack. BB over to you.

  • Tim V

    To remind you this is BB’s contribution from Sept 9th.

    “Bluebird
    9 Sep, 2013 – 12:28 pm
    http://shoebat.com/2011/12/16/this-jerusalem-document-was-signed-by-husham-al-husayni-husseini-the-dearborn-imam-featured-on-all-american-muslims/
    In case that Israel or zionism is behind that killing, then most likely it was that document that is the key.
    The Muslim “Mein Kampf” statement. Signed by the NAZI Palestinian al Husseini representative and by Waleed al Hilli and (as a strong guess) by Kazem (Kadhim) al Hilli (al Husseini al Khatib), too.
    It was also signed by al Hakim whose personal aide and speaker of SCIRI is Haitham al Hilli (al Husseini).
    It is a pity that in this document there was a computer translation in use. Thetefore many of the important and revealing names: e.g. jewelry and ornaments = al hilli) were translated into english and mean nothing to us but stupid names. We really would need access to that original document and a name list by an Arab language expert.
    Mohammed Amin al Husseini, mufti of jerusalem and most powerful Arab political leader in the early- mid 1900dreds. The al Husseini family (iraqi part = “al husseini al hilli”) was one of the most powerful families in the arab world and in jerusalem and probably still is. please note that famousYasser Arafat is a relative of the al Husseini family, too.

    http://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1987-004-09A,_Amin_al_Husseini_und_Adolf_Hitler.jpg
    With the al Husseini family and it’s Iraqi part, the al Hillis as well as with the Shaabans in Lebanin, there is the ruling evidence of Muslim Brotherhood and Hezbollah within 3 powerful Arab families.
    Finally it is no surprise that current leading families of the al Husseini, al Hilli and al Hakim family are calling their political manifesto regarding anti zionism “Mein Kampf”.
    The al Husseini family was always involved in anti zionism and mohammed al husseini was a personal friend of Adolf Hitler and due to historians he was personally involved in holocaust orders.
    Finally i am not surprised when Saad had an apparent meeting with the extreme right in france (mollier; christian mollier, MRT) and that Zaid is (covertly) working in a “golf club” run by the extreme right of the UK and Ireland.
    Every puzzle stone is fitting better as time goes by, particularly when thinking of the real and original ARIENS, originally coming from Iran (Saffarid empire).”

    Connections there certainly ARE!

  • Tim V

    well spotted Bleb
    15 Sep, 2013 – 6:13 pm. EM has a limited amount of English as when he was interviewed outside the Courthouse back along. We dont know about the British CS but I’m guessing unlikely fluent in French. The translator idea most promising but cud be something else as well? Strange how little we know of the questions put to them. How many on what? This press conference appears more like a whitewash than anything useful in giving or getting relevant information.

    Any sign of the regular contributors here? Have they all finally given up in despair?

  • Tim V

    Note time of assassination and how many in Israili team. Also the use of Mossad British agent as part of the plot!

    “On 22 January 1979, Salameh was in a convoy of two Chevrolet station wagons headed from Rizk’s flat to his mother’s for a birthday party.[9][10] Chambers was on her balcony painting, with her red Volkswagen parked below on Rue Verdun. As Salameh’s convoy passed the Volkswagen at 3:35 pm and turned onto Rue Madame Curie,[11] 100 kg of explosive attached to the car by a fellow Mossad agent was remotely exploded,[1] either by Chambers or on her notification to another Mossad agent.[12]
    The detonation left Salameh conscious, but severely wounded and in great pain, having pieces of steel shrapnel embedded in his head and throughout his body. He was rushed to the American University Hospital, where he died on the operating table at 4:03pm.[13] Salameh’s four bodyguards were also killed in the explosion.[14] Four bystanders were also killed.[1][12] In addition, nearly 16 people were injured in the blast.[14] Immediately following the operation, the three Mossad officers escaped as well as up to 14 other Mossad agents believed to have been involved in the operation.[12]”

  • Ricki Tarr

    Did no one know about the Erika Chambers story the UK passport holder that befriended Salameh,I have attached a link below of a great article – her family still receive a Xmas card every year from her probably from a safe haven in Israel. I have researched this story for a screen play. I don’t see the connection with Al Hilli but its a great spy story! If anyone has a time magazine subscription there is a very good article from the time, post here if you can add a copy.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252371/The-QC-vanished-sister-mystery-Mossads-British-hitwoman.html

  • Tim V

    “Eleven bullets in the target – one for each athlete killed”. Now tell me there is no significance in numbers when Mossad decides to kill.

    Watch this. A description of a Beirut operation to kill 3 Black September members. (Innocents were killed as well of course) “The operation was swift. 30 minutes after we landed we were back in the boats and on our way home”@ 33.22

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wovg2yJQLAc

    This is clear modus operandi ignored it would seem in the case of Chevaline.

  • Ricki Tarr

    Maybe the Israeli government officer waiting at a nearby heliport to pick up the team is more true than we thought!

  • bluebird

    Tim
    I am just busy. I saw that amin ap husseini website and read some news and will try to dig deeper. I shall also try to test the legacy of that website. Not sure whether or not everything is the truth.

    However, it confirms my suspicion regarding nazi-terror and nazi money in france and in arab nations with their white washed money being bunkered in geneve.
    Once again it would be wrong to inagine that this is about country A vs country B.
    There are Nazis in Israel as well as there are many jews in iran and in iraq.

    What we can see today is a war of 2 ideologies. Dont make the error that you imagine that putin and russia are communists. Communism did end in the 1970tees with breshnyev’s death. Putin is a right wing Nazi, a friend of Le Pen and his policy, a friend and supporter of Larouche and Assad. And there are nazis die in the usa and in the uk, too. And of course there are some in germany and in sweden (wallenberg) and in the arab countries (assad).

    MSM is brainwashing us in that they try to tell us that this is about country vs country or religion vs religion. It isnt!
    This is a war of marx’ dialectic of theses vs antitheses.

  • Ricki Tarr

    http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/login?callbackUrl=http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/cover-story-1.223080

    Another story I found whilst researching chambers is attached above, I just re read and there is a number of things mentioned I found interesting:

    A Vienna court is trying to determine the identity of the owner of about $7 million, which was deposited in a bank account the Austrian government froze a few years ago, under suspicion that it was connected with the regime of Saddam Hussein. Some time ago, a Palestinian woman bearing a Jordanian passport who lives in Libya, turned up and claimed that the account belonged to her and her partner, businessman Nazir Najamin

    And this:

    “For example, I once organized a meeting in Turkey between a Lebanese source of mine and Israelis, as part of the efforts to locate Ron Arad [the missing Israel Air Force navigator].”

    Who were the Israelis?

    “I don’t really want to talk about that subject. They presented themselves as people working for a private company who were very interested in the fate of Ron Arad.”

    Doesn’t this sound connected to the Ben Zygier case that was meant to be connected to Arad and also his cover was working for a private company’

  • Tim V

    The aerial photo shot at 00.33 here

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OZ6kokonMs

    is new to me. It shows the loaded low-loader ready to depart northwards i.e. towards the top of the view.

    So much old news but what is new to me is the extended white structure/vehicle much further up the track (south) This has never been shown on other shots as far as I am aware.

    Is it covering evidence or a working base for forensic team or something else?

  • Tim V

    Ref your post Ricki Tarr
    15 Sep, 2013 – 7.15 pm here’s a little unrelated (!) fact. The brother of said Erika Chambers (Mossad agent and directly implicated in the “Wrath of God assassination of the Salameh in Beirut in 1979) is apparently according to the Daily Mail, His Honour Judge Nicholas Mordaunt Chambers QC

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252371/The-QC-vanished-sister-mystery-Mossads-British-hitwoman.html

    “His Honour Judge Chambers QC (68) was called to the Bar (G) in 1966 and took Silk in 1985. He was appointed as an Assistant Recorder in 1983, as a Recorder in 1987, as a Deputy High Court Judge in 1999 and as a Senior Circuit Judge in 1999, based at Cardiff Civil Justice Centre.” http://www.justice.gov.uk/news/judicial-appointments/judicial-retirement-210912-116

    Now get this – Judge Chambers retired as the Specialist Judge at the Cardiff Civil Justice Centre on 14 September 2012. Yep nine days after the Chevaline killings. Just another little un-related co-incidence.

  • bluebird

    Ricki tarr
    There are more details regarding your NZ mossad spies and the names of the other ones.

    http://www.dotandcalm.com/calm-archive/index/t-28435.html

    Uriel Kelman, 30, Eli Cara, 50

    Bental, who had admitted the charges, was arrested in February 1998 while he was installing a sophisticated bugging device in a block of flats used by the target of the surveillance operation, Abdallah El-Zein, a Swiss-Lebanese citizen suspected of having links with Hizbullah. 

  • bluebird

    Pretty interesting: NZ Prime Minister orders: “Get rid of the SIS whistleblower”.

    July 23, 2011

    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/07/23/mossad-down-under-again/

    Now a source within the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (SIS) has blown the whistle on police and SIS investigations into the activities of the Israelis and those of Israeli search and rescue and forensic teams quickly dispatched to the city. Prime Minister John Key, visiting the USA at the time, has assured New Zealanders that the police and SIS have concluded the Israeli youths were harmless backpackers, and concerns that the forensic team might have hacked the police intelligence database have proved to be groundless.

    Fifteen People Arrested in March in Dallas, Suspected of Casing Federal Buildings. 11News reported how people claiming to be “Israeli art students” might be trying to sneak into federal buildings and defense sites, and even doing surveillance. In Dallas, the so-called students hit early this year at the city’s FBI building, the Drug Enforcement Administration and at the Earle Cabell Federal building, where guards found one student wandering the halls with a floor plan of the building.[12]Wayne Madsen comments:When trying to access the full story on the TV station’s web site, one receives the following message: “The page you requested could not be found.” However, Channel 11 News’ terrorism expert and former Defense Department analyst Ron Hatchett said the Israeli activity was “obvious surveillance” and “not a bunch of kids selling artwork.” A Federal Protective Service memo, obtained by KHOU after Israelis were seen casing the Leland Federal office building in Houston, stated, “Federal sites have experienced an inundation of art solicitations at office buildings by students claiming to be selling Israeli art.”[13]

    In the aftermath of 9/11, it became widely known that Israeli agents masqueraded as “art students” in the USA. Appearing as “backpackers” in New Zealand, the destination of thousands of Israeli tourists, (there were 3,000 in New Zealand at the time of the February earthquake) would be most apt for that country’s situation. During 2000-2001 the “art students” gained access to the offices and homes of Federal law enforcement officials, U.S. military bases, and other sensitive sites. The FBI, DEA and INS leaked documents relating to 120 “art students” that they had under surveillance.

    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/07/23/mossad-down-under-again/2/

    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/07/23/mossad-down-under-again/3/

    As of this writing PM Key has issued a decisive order: “get rid of the SIS whistle blower.”

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