Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278


The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?


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  • Kenneth Sorensen

    >The American :

    For example the fact that it was 40 years to the DAY the Israeli Olympic team was massacred at Munich which resulted in Golda Meir launch “Operation Wrath of God” targeting all those remaining alive, implicated in the Munich assault.

    “Only” two Israelis got killed initially – i.e. at the rooms where they were held hostage — the rest died in the ensuing gunfight when West German police cowardly attacked the two helicopters which had just been given in accordance to an agreement about free transfer away. There are reports that Israeli persons were directing and urging the Germans to attack. The Germans were understandably perplexed about anything having to do with Jews, whose lives they were keen to protect (this time) and could have forgone their natural inclination to coolness and thoughtfulness. Now the tragic result was that the Germans foolishly attacked the helicopters.

    So when Jewish Wiki-editors — who in effect control anything on Wikipedia that has got to do with Israel — call this incident a “massacre” ( a bit far-fetched because the death toll was about 16 ) it was a “massacre” brought about atypically by Germans loosing their customary coolness and control, and crucially: negating their word given about free transfer away. This was foolish to break the word given, because future terrorists were bound to conclude that they could not count on promises given by the authorities, and this could very well have resulted in them acting more brutal right away and not entering into any form of negotiation.

    —-

    Affair legacy of the setting up of Israel and taking Palestine’s place
    So this sorry affair is just another sad legacy of the setting up of Israel. Palestine had been a proud member in the 20s and 30s of the Family of nations gathering every four year for the Olympic Games, but was surpassed in 1952 at Helsinki by Israel. (There were of course no Olympics in 1940 and 1944 and by 1948 the parties concerned were at war with each other).

    In June 1967 250.000 Palestinians fled the advancing Israelis on The West Bank and came to Jordan, which place they tried to take over (The Palestinians were in fact in majority in the country as they are today) but got thrown out in September 1970 (“Black September”) and came to Lebanon, where they seemingly had a very bad impact on the civil war there. What is certain is that the civil war started in 1975 – after they had arrived.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Britain was helping their Hashemite stooge in Amman throwing the Palestinians out – which of course also were in tally with the Israeli position and the Israeli lobby (Which at that time hadn’t been exposed* yet, but could get away with their schemes] in Washington’s position. So much tragedy for this haunted people, the Palestinians! The great powers acting against them. Is it a surprise to anyone that some of them in this situation become terrorists?

    *)This really first happened in 2006 with the publication of John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt‘s book: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy

  • Tim V

    great ref. read ricky tarr 11.58

    Could this be a specific gentleman Zev William Barkan have been in the Chevaline region on sept 5th 2012 travelling under American, Canadian or New Zealand passports (to name but a few)?? As Private Eye would say: “I think we should be told”.

    heres another article by the same author with photo on the same theme.

    http://natethayer.wordpress.com/category/zev-barkan-mossad/

    It is said he was part of the assassination team for the Jan 2010 Dubai event so it seems he’s quite handy in a lot of fields. The N Korean BIG explosion tried to kill two “birds” with one stone it seems.

  • Tim V

    “Barkan had grown up in Washington as Zev Bruckenstein, where his father was director of religious studies at a synagogue.

    “A New Zealand security official says his services have uncovered an Israeli operation to create al-Qaeda cells in Thailand. The security official in Thailand said Israeli terrorist are posing as operatives of al-Qaeda.

    “Over the past nine months we have been investigating eight cases, 11 people informed us of this Israeli operation, asking Thai Landers to join al-Qaeda. One email had even been signed by the al-Qaeda leader, Osama bin Laden. a New Zealand official said.

    “Barkan, who applied for a passport under the name of a wheelchair-bound Auckland man, worked as an attache at Israel’s embassy in Austria from 1996 to 2001, One News network said, citing information from the Austrian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

    He was also believed to have been a diplomat in Belgium, and had worked for the Israeli foreign ministry for 10 years, the network said. ”

    http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/07/295039.html?c=on

  • Tim V

    Zev William Barkan is still on the loose. Why is there not an international arrest warrant out for him? (Or maybe there is?) He has a very suitable track record to be involved with Chevaline. Perhaps we should pass his name to the huge investigating team as they work hard to give the appearance of not having a clue.

    And the leading British detective is rather interesting too. I had previously thought he was attached to the Met anti-passport/document fraud operation called “Maxim”at rank of chief inspector. However I am now not so sure as I cant find the earlier ref.

    However I’ve found this which is self explanatory:
    “www.thisislancashire.co.uk, 17 Aug 2012 [cached]
    Detective Chief Inspector Nick May, from the Surrey and Sussex major crime team, said: “I am appealing to anyone who was in the area of the Hydneye between 7pm and 10pm and who may have information about this violent assault to contact us.”

    By the end of April when he made the appeal for the dark BMW he was at the rank Detective Superintendent in Sussex Constabulary. So he had been promoted in the intervening time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1084879/alps-murders-police-appeal-over-missing-bmw

  • Ricki Tarr

    Barkan is a busy guy! it makes sense that he was recruited in the US synagogue, Mossad complete training courses for the JDL who act as security for synogogues around the world!

  • Tim V

    Indeed Ricki Tarr
    16 Sep, 2013 – 6:28 pm. If the French know he was visiting the Haute Savoie this time last year, they’re certainly not letting on are they?

  • bleb

    Way off topic but I found this of interest:
    G-CEYL = Tony Blair’s charter plane
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/09/blair-and-kanye-west-are-prostitutes/comment-page-10/#comment-429694

    It did make me wonder how extensive (and if it is in a useful format) the data captured by plane spotters is? For instance private / charter flights from airports/fields close to Chevaline last September?

    And no I don’t think G-CEYL was involved in whisking the killer(s) away!

  • Jennywren

    BB yesterday I heard Dr Ali Al hilli on a BBC Radio 4 discussion about the differences between the Shias and the Sunnis. There is also a sheikh Mohamed Al hilli who has a website http://www.alhilli.net/blog/achieving-islamic-unity/. Are these both ones you have clocked.? Forgive me if you have already been over them hundreds of times. Then there is a Nadia Al Hilli, who is another dentist! She works in London. Does she fit in anywhere?

  • bluebird

    Off topic (perhaps it is not)

    Aaron Alexis worked for the company “the experts”
    This is an IT security and communications company.
    They are subcontractor of HP.
    HP is subcontractor of the navy.

    “The experts” and Aaron as an IT worker had worked for the secret intranet communications system of the navy (did i hear the name of bradley manning in the background yet?)

    Was he perhaps blamed for killings he had not done and eliminated as another possible snowden, hastings, manning (or/and al hilli) whistleblower?
    At least his job does fit into that category.

    https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-experts

    https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-experts/products?trk=top_nav_products

    On topic
    @Jennywren

    Sheikh Mohammed al hilli isnt dorectly related. However, i believe that he is a cousin. His great grandfather (due to his online biography) is fitting with Saad’s great grandfather (the famous Sheikh Rida).

  • bluebird

    Off topic

    Michael Thacker, director of corporate media relations for Hewlett-Packard, issued the following statement:

    “We are deeply saddened by today’s tragic events at the Washington Navy Yard. Our thoughts and sympathies are with all those who have been affected. Aaron Alexis was an employee of a company called ‘The Experts,’ a subcontractor to an HP Enterprise Services contract to refresh equipment used on the Navy Marine Corps Intranet (NMCI) network. HP is cooperating fully with law enforcement as requested.”

    How about did the SSTL statement sound when al Hilli died?

  • Ricki Tarr

    http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920603001247

    “ … we have made the Syrian army engage in a civil war and of course this strategic mission could not be accomplished without your (MI6) cooperation,” the source quoted Prince Bandar as saying during the meeting.

    Asked by Sawers if Riyadh is concerned over the backfiring of the extremist groups who have been armed and sent to Syria, Prince Bandar said all his country’s efforts are aimed at “providing security for us and our allies and I assure (you) that I have the power to harness these reinforced streams, given my over 30-year-long experience in controlling and directing these Jihadi groups”.

  • Ricki Tarr

    I guess you dont have to ask the country and the UN for permission to run a war in the Secret World?? just one in the public eye!

  • Ricki Tarr

    I just read the sky news report on the shooter Aaron Alexis from the Yard yesterday:

    If there arent conspiracy theories on this guy id be thinking why!!!!
    Youd be considered crazy for thsi not to make you think it isnt right! its like the whole story has been put in front of us to make us think there is a conspiracy!

    He was a Navy reservist that was decorated with the National Defence Service Medal and also teh Global War on Terrorism Service Medal???? what did he do for that?

    Was now working for a Def contractor with PTS and had been arrested but cleared to work at the Navy version of the Pentagon

    Some neighbours said he was nice some said tehyw here afraid of him.

    He had been disturbed by 9/11 and suffered PTS?

    After he was Discharged from reserves he worked as a Thai resturant delivery driver? and then went to Thailand (Mossad and Al Q training ground) to (get this) learn Thai so he could communicate with customers better??? who does that?

    He shot someones tyres out in a blind fit of rage – sounds like a Manchurian Candidate to me!

  • Q

    Of course Thai food delivery drivers make enough money to attend language-instruction classes abroad, Ricki. It’s similar to the way that all pizza delivery drivers must speak fluent Italian without an accent. Sheesh!

  • Ricki Tarr

    I know right what the hell is going on? Is this deflecting us from something else going on (non Syria)?

  • bluebird

    Ricki tarr, thailand isnt that far away from a shia-wahabit war as we would believe too.

    Aaron is a Jewish name, period. That doesnt mean that his family is jewish but i would be extremely surprised when a non jewish family would call their son “Aaron”.
    It is said that he converted to Buddhism. A typical Mossad cover up. A typical crypto jew as many iraqi and lebanese shia are crypto jews.

    Do you have a source where we can read that Aaron was in Thailand? If so, that would make him a typical mossad asset if he were jewish. Unemployed, now trained and then sent to the “experts team of HP” to supervise the navy communication systems intranet surprisibgly he did update and exchange hardware for new hardware. That would be a useful job for a mossad agent, e.g. installing “prepared” hardware into their system.

    Thailand is a center of Mossad operations and training centers.

    See below (very interesting):

    http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/4589

    The Israeli-manufactured Hezbollah “threat” in Thailand comes at the same time that Britain’s ambassador to Thailand, Asif Ahmad, who reportedly has ties to MI-6 run Islamist radical groups in Pakistan and elsewhere, has suggested an “R2P” program for southern Thailand, where an Muslim ethnic Malay insurgency has been ongoing for decades. Asif is believed to maintain strong links to the government of Qatar, which has been at the forefront of Arab states that are behind R2P interventions in Libya and Syria. It is believed in Thailand that Britain, Israel, and the United States would like to establish a Kosovo-style provisionally-independent Muslim-governed state in southern Thailand’s Patani region, with the Patani United Liberation Organization (PULO), the largest of the separatist groups, becoming the governing party. PULO would enjoy the same support from the West as afforded to the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in Kosovo.PULO and other Patani separatists wear black uniforms and are well-financed. It is believed that much of the financing of the Patani separatists now comes from Qatar in anticipation of an “Arab Spring” R2P operation in southern Thailand. Prime Minister Yingluck is attempting to implement a program of national reconciliation with the southern Muslims and the victims of the 2010 Bangkok massacre by the previous military-backed government but the interference of the Israelis, British, Americans, Qataris, and Saudis threaten her program.In the past, PULO received much of its funding from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. The rebel group was founded in 1968 in Mecca, Saudi Arabia with the blessing and support of the Saudi government. In 1991, the various Patani rebel groups, including those more radical and violent than PULO, united to form the United Front for the Independence of Pattani” or “Bersatu.” Younger members of the group have received Wahhabi Salafist religious training in madrassas in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the UAE.Although the Thai government has conducted secret peace negotiations with all the coalition members of Bersatu in Bahrain, Stockholm, and other cities, no substantive progress has resulted.

    By suggesting that Hezbollah was behind an attempted terrorist attack in Thailand, the Qataris and Saudis are trying to eliminate Shi’ite influence in Thailand in order to maintain the Salafist control of Thai Muslim groups in the south. Israel benefits by eliminating Lebanese Shi’ite influence in the diamond and other rare gem trade in the country.

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/01/16/mossad-saves-israeli-tourists-from-hizbullah-in-thailand/

    Now the bad news. Mossad had informed their friends in Thai intelligence that three Hizbullah members will arrive in Bangkok to pull a terrorist act against Israeli Jews. Following the tip, Thai police arrested Atris Hussein, a Swedish citizen at Suvarnabhumi Airport  on Friday

    Howevery, as a Zionist miracle – no attack happened as there were no Hizbullah or Iranian hitmen in Thailand. It was another Christmas Eve-type CIA-Mossad false flag operation involving Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

    In the past, Israeli agents have been busted for killing tourists and stealing their IDs in Thailand, Canada, New Zealand, Turkey, Australia, etc.

  • Tim V

    “In 2005, the year after the New Zealand passport scandal and the train explosion in North Korea, Barkan was back in the news, accused of trafficking in passports stolen from foreign tourists in Southeast Asia and was said to operate a security business in Thailand. “He goes to Laos, Cambodia, Burma and Thailand and deals with gangs who rob tourists of their valuables and passports,” an aid worker told the Sydney Morning Herald. “Barkan is mostly interested in passports and there have been a number of Australian passports.”

    After disappearing from New Zealand, unsubstantiated media reports in Australia and New Zealand placed Barkan in Cambodia, accused of running a studio making snuff and porn movies in a town on the Mekong River North of the capital, Phnom Penh, where foreign students and tourists were lured by promises of movie stardom.”
    http://natethayer.wordpress.com/category/zev-barkan-mossad/

  • Tim V

    What America does yesterday, we do today. Someone is racking up the tension, racking up the fear. For those unaware Easingwold is the location of the Emergency Planning College.
    http://www.epcollege.com/epc/training/

    “In a move the government will be hoping won’t start ‘War of the World’s’ style mass panic, 50,000 people are to be sent emergency alert texts to test the the national response system.

    “The messages – which will be clearly marked as a test – could warn of flooding, a flu pandemic or even some sort of zombie/nuclear apocalypse presumably.

    “The first test will occur in Easingwold, North Yorkshire. Over the next two months residents of Glasgow and Leiston in Suffolk will also receive texts.

    “Hopefully the text will get to you before the shockwave…

    “The plan is part of the National Security Council’s (NSC) preparation and planning for emergencies.

    “A spokesman said the texts would be sent when “we judge that by sending an alert we could prevent loss of life or damage to property”, reports the Daily Mail.

    “A similar system was recently used in North Carolina, USA, to alert people to the disappearance of a 17-month-old toddler.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/17/emergency-sms-text-message-alerts_n_3939098.html?ncid=webmail3

  • bluebird

    Interesting

    I checked the fb records and the fb friends of the Thairintr/Nguyen family from Texas.
    They have a close relation to many Syrian/Iranian people. There seems to be a kind of group of syrian/iranian and thai aliens living in the forth worth area. One of them is Yasin Hossein, another one a guy called Shishakly (Chechakli ). Remember! We discussed this family earlier in regards to Syria! Now they are connected with Ty Thairintr in fort worth? Coincidence? The Shishakly family is pro FSA and wants to remove Assad. Shishakly has a huge “chemical weapons” sign on his fb page and a huge syrian flag in his “likes”.

    Another coincidence. I checked the ancestry of the Alexis family. Aaron was born in Flushing/Queens/NY. There are many other “Alexis” family members from Flushing. I checked their fb pages (e.g. Yolanda, Tasha, and Nadia Alexis – all of them born in Flushing/Queens). They are talking about the shooter on FB.

    E.g.
    Do you know the washington shooter?
    No!
    Who is he?
    I never saw him before. Does anybody know him?

    So then: There is a afro american “Alexis” family, all were born in Flushing/NY, but nobody knows him, although they hold regular physical family meetings in NY due to their own fb pages.

    That looks for me as if there were fake or stolen documents were used. Mossad?

  • bluebird

    Just a reminder regarding the Syrian/USA Chishakly and their political terror connections.

    http://www.ruudleeuw.com/vbout14.htm

    And now we find a fb friends connection between the Chishakly family and Ty Thairintr/Nguyen from Fort Worth (TX) who was the befriended “teacher” of “Buddhist” Aaron Alexis from Flushing/Queens whom the Alexis family from Flushing/Queens doesnt know and had never seen him before according to their fb pages.

    That whole stuff stinks closely like a mossad/cia connection/team using false IDs and Thai training camps both in fort worth and in thailand.

    Read the link and you’ll say WOW!

  • bluebird

    Syrian/American spy and arms dealer Richard Chichakli from Dallas/Fort Worth.

    Please read:
    http://www.dallasobserver.com/2006-12-21/news/secret-justice/

    Now we have a connection of Richard Chichakli/Victor Bout/Ty Thairintr-Nguyen/Aaron Alexis (although there are strong doubts whether or not Aaron Alexis used a fake/stolen ID).

    Personally i have no doubts that the washington shooter (whatever his real name would be) was an employee of richard chichakli/victor bout, trained and prepared in their home town fort worth and in thailand.

  • Ricki Tarr

    Guys the Yard shooting is not something that we should be ineterested in, its there to throw us off an not connected to Chevaline, we where making good head way with teh Al Hilli case so lets not get thrown off but look at othger stories currently in the news!

    Aaron Alexis is just a Conspiracy theorists dream!

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