The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Ricky on 21. september:
There are Israeli owned [posh] shops in there. That’s what I’ve heard. And that could well be the reason why a SWAT team from the US embassy are involved. You must remember that (1) Israel is the 51st state in the US Federation, and (2) Jewish people are better than the rest of us. They are God’s chosen people, and as a matter of course God’s own land, The United States, has a moral duty to move in an protect them, whatever the costs [not least to the US, who daily face the costs of people all around the Middle East and south East Asia conflating Israel and The United States, and see the US as protecting Israel. This was the reason why the East African Embassies – exactly 8 years to the date after US troops first sat foot on holy Saudi Arabian soil — and the USS Cole got attacked in 1998. And those same soldier boots on Saudi soil became an important rallying call for Al Queda. Osama bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia, as was 16 out of 19 hijackers on that September morning 12 years ago.]
Geez, Sorenson you do talk some rubbish. I suppose you think all of Africa is starving !
You could not be more wrong, there’s a rising middle class there with plenty of cash to spend.
The very numbers there on Saturday should tell you that.
You should take a visit, then go on to Dar es Salaam & see the cars the AFRICANS drive & the traffic jams.
My daughter has lived in Africa for 16 years & I visit annually.
I know Africa well, these cities are not poor….you insult both the Israelis & the Kenyans the way you speak.
You are absolutely right, Katie, but this [Israeli] aspect is toned down in the mainstream media. But for us in the know we see a pattern, where the real culprit, Israel — Jewish immigration to Palestine and subsequent eviction (either by force of threat of same) of the original inhabitants of the land and various repeated humiliations of Arabs (in their own land!) — like the destruction of all Egyptean airforce while it was on the ground in June 1967 and the blitzkrieg right up to Beirut in 1982 and the blitzkrieg against Iraq in 2003 (which wouldn’t have happened without pressure form Israel, and particularly the Israel lobby) — is responsible for more than 75 % of all terror-incidents in the world after 1945, and the real reason why somebody wants to avenge this on Israeli citizens or their protectors gets hidden away in the media, who very often are populated by….you know who.
Our posts crossed each other: Israelis deserves to be insulted. That’s what I always did when I was there; a said straight up in their ugly faces that their country should be closed down ASAP and the land given to its rightfull owners, the dear Palestinians.
Any way, this point of view is represented very poorly in the mainstream media — who are grossly populated by you know who — but is in fact shared by the majority of the people in the world (witness how the UN General Assembly votes when the subject is Palestine,- and compare that to the Security Counsel, where the US has a veto) who for the most part have very bas experiences of colonialism on their own.
How they do it
I just noticed on a visnt to the relevant page, that the information about countermeasures on the two Arkia owned planes — largely sourced by the BBC — that I supplied to the Wikipedia article about the Mombasa attacks in 2002,- which I supplied under my — appropriately — named Nick, Nick Finnsbury, had been edited out. You can see the information I contributed (back in 2008) here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2002_Mombasa_attacks&diff=240870658&oldid=232834459
Here is the beginning of the article, authored by me, all sourced. Follow the links and see the sources [which the opposite side would rather see go down the memory hole] for yourself:
Here is the sequence about countermeasures which the Jewish wiki-editors apparently didn’t find appropriate to mention, but which is very essential information (sourced from the BBC (See note) if you want to know why the aircraft wasn’t hit, when it was in its — very vulnerable — climbing phase:
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Note
Wonder when they will hit at the BBC. Oh, forgot, they already have – as this once distinctive — the very epitomisation of objectiveness, if ever there was one — news outlet is just a sorry shadow of its former self
Okay, the key source that I used about countermeasures is not working anymore:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/dec2002/keny-d05.shtml%20Unanswered%20questions%20regarding%20Kenya%20terror%20attacks
– which I think Bluebird woúld call “work by the clean team”. :-).
However, whereas I think Bluebird should put all those instances about “clean teams removing sources” on a website — and I have several times urged him to do so — so that everyone can see proof about what has happened, at least here is one instance where such an operation seems to have happened.
Its very important that we all denounce Israel and Israelis as a constant threat to the rest of the worlds peoples security. The massive Jewish immigration to Palestine and the subsequent eviction of more than a million people (750,000 in 1948; 200,000 in 1967 + 80,000 Syrians) — which is the root course of the Middle East conflict — is responsible for more than 75 percent of all terror attacks in the world since 1945. This includes terror Israel itself has instigated, and terror carried out overseas as revenge for what Israel has done.
So the most cost-efficient the world can do is to shut down Israel, with all Jews being absolutely free to choose whether to stay or seek new pastures — utilising their second passports, which they hae obtained for just such an occasion.
What we all can do is to say to Jewish tourists — whenever we hear the groaning sounds (which apparently makes out for a language) in our streets, that they are unwanted in the world and that they are chied responsible for 75 percent of all terror in the world since 1945. By all accounts it is not fair that such a tiny, tiny minority shall be allowed to cause so much havoc – and in the process upset our relations with the Arab world, which is so important to us as oil-suppliers. And I really mean this: 200 + millions Arabs are of course more important to us that 6 million Jews in the worlds last colony, Israel.
Mombasa, on Kenya’s Indian Ocean coast, is a popular destination for foreign visitors and the hotel was frequented mainly by Israeli tourists.
The blast occurred just after some 60 visitors had checked into the hotel, all of them from Israel, hotel officials said. 13 was killed and 80 injured . Nine Kenyans died, most of whom were said to be traditional dancers who came to welcome the 140 guests arriving from Israel by state-chartered jet and three Israel is, two of whome where children
http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2525931.stm
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Paradise Hotel was the only Israeli-owned hotel in the Mombasa area.
http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2545711.stm
Gosh. I’m slow. I only now realise — 5 years after I edited the wikipedia article — that the jet was <strong< 'state chartered'.
This must mean that the persons on board was very high up in the Israeli hierarchy. And this explains why they want to calm this whole episode down, and why the plane was escorted into Ben Gurion airport by F-15 jets.
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And this explains — indeed – why it, and the hotel , was targeted in the first place! But we never heard anything about that at the time! We never heard any elaborate motive-exploration, as usually is the standard procedure whereever a crime has taken place. It used to be like this — before 9/11 — that when a crime happens, sooner or later the police show up and begins to search for motives.
But after 9/11 the Jews that surrounded President Bush — most notably Mr. Volfo-witch, under-secretary for Defense — wanted a military response, handsomely removing the resolution from the police, so that nobody should start investigating any motives.
Sheikh Abulaziz Abu Muscab:
“SA: The place we attacked is Westgate shopping mall. It is a place where tourists from across the world come to shop, where diplomats gather. It is a place where Kenya’s decision-makers go to relax and enjoy themselves. Westgate is a place where there are Jewish and American shops. So we have to attack them.
On civilian deaths, Kenya should first be asked why they bombed innocent Somali civilians in refugee camps, why they bombed innocent people in Gedo and Jubba regions. They should be asked that first before us.
AJ: Al-Shabab claims to work to protect Muslims and Somalis in particular. Some of the people killed in this attack suggests otherwise.
SA: History supports our claim. We are the only ones protecting Somalis and Somalia. We are the only group fighting Somalia’s historic enemies. We are the only one who can say “no” to Somalis’ enemies.
On the loss of lives, there were Kenyan soldiers firing back at our fighters. There was an exchange of gunfire. There is no evidence it was our bullets that killed them.
Shoppers flee Nairobi’s Westgate Mall [Reuters]
We released all Muslims when we took control of the mall. Witnesses have backed us on this.”
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/09/2013923628350977.html
I would recommend that Bluebird or any other interested individual, explores the ethnical/religious/cultural background of the said Kenyan ‘official’, who expressed affinity with Israel’s means of crisis resolution, if that’s possible, because remember — very conveniently — the individual in question was anonymous.
Was he CIA stooge or not?
“Abu Mansoor Al-Amriki
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Abu Mansoor Al-Amriki
Al-Amriki1.jpg
Birth name Omar Shafik Hammami
Nickname Abu Mansour
Born 6 May 1984
Daphne, Alabama, U.S.
Died 12 September 2013 (aged 29)
near Dinsoor, Somalia
Allegiance Harakat al-Shabaab Mujahideen (006–2012)
Battles/wars
Somali civil war
War in Somalia (2006–09)
War in Somalia (2009–present)
Omar Shafik Hammami
“However, the reports of al-Amriki’s death were proven wrong when he was interviewed by Voice of America on 3 September 2013.[24]
Omar Hammami was reported to have been killed on 12 September 2013, in an early-morning ambush by al-Shabaab militants in a village near the town of Dinsoor,[25] south-west of the capital, Mogadishu. Obama administration officials in the embassy of Nairobi, Kenya are currently investigating the validity of the reports of his death.”
ref. my discussion on the significance of 5.9.12 to Jews in light of their festival of “Rosh Hashanah” which this year falls on the (yes you guessed it!) 5th September – a time of reckoning – has been marked in a most unusual – remarkable even – way. The new President of Iran, Hassan Rouhani, has sent Israel best wishes for it. Perhaps the Iranians are demonstrating their own powers of irony and the importance of remembering ANNIVERSARIES!!!
“Israelis bewildered by Iranian president’s Rosh Hashanah greeting. Israelis reacted with a mixture of pleasant surprise and wary skepticism on Friday to reports that the new Iranian president and his foreign minister had both issued greetings to mark the Jewish New Year.”
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Israelis-bewildered-by-Iranian-presidents-Rosh-Hashanah-greeting-325435
Who cares how Israelis “react” to anything. Them and Tim V are just trash. The first are Jews, the second American – together some of the worst trash in history.
By the way I think the “real” Tim V has been killed, and a fake — definitely more pro-Israel – one has taken his place.
But I don’t care. Either the “real” Tim V or his imitation gets kicked around by me, because i love it, and it keeps me fit and in training
from the above article:
“Arieh Rosen, 33, a cultural representative at the Polish Institute, said the New Year greetings were “cute” but did not generate much talk among his family and friends at holiday gatherings. “I suppose it is a calculated PR stunt,” he said.”
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“Chaotic scenes at the Polish Hearth Club in Prince’s Gate, South Kensington, yesterday when chairman Basia Hamilton, recently deposed while she was on holiday, was reinstated by a huge majority at an EGM.
Portrait painter Basia became chairman eight months ago when the previous committee decided to sell the building, thought to be worth £25 million, against the wishes of the members.
She started a series of lunches, dinners, lectures and seminars which generated new income for the club. However, while she was away in Jamaica, a new chairman, Jerzy Kulezyaki, was installed and he tried to bring in a new restaurateur to run the catering. Basia’s team favoured Jan Woroniecki, owner of Wodka and Baltic, while Kulezyaki wanted to award the contract to Guy Rodgers at Concerto Events.
Members voted 131 to 32 for Woroniecki, a triumph for Basia. “We’re just trying to preserve the Polish character of the club,” Basia tells me. “We’re all very patriotic.”” 25.2.13
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Kenneth Sorensen
23 Sep, 2013 – 4:44 pm
If you want to see the ugly face of Israeli policy watch this recent event that has led to EU protests.
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/EU-calls-on-Israel-to-explain-IDF-mistreatment-of-diplomats-in-West-Bank-326721
However, a security source and two soldiers said one white woman attacker had been killed
http://t.co/vpgg4jtxjQ
UK man of Somali descent arrested at Nairobi airport!
First promote a BIG lie.
Then when people question it, use it as an excuse to justify persecuting them. Is there any hope for freedom loving United States or the rest of the world? Dangerous times indeed.
“The FBI is instructing local police departments and “communities against terrorism” to consider anyone who harbors “conspiracy theories” about 9/11 to be a potential terrorist, in a circular released to local police departments.”
http://inquiringminds.cc/uk-911-truth-fbi-says-half-populace-with-911-doubts-are-potential-terrorists-tony-g
how it works in practise.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/dea-agents-raid_n_3942731.html
Names of the westgate attackers released.
One of them is quite a curious guy.
Mohammad Abdulkadhir from Sweden, a Swedish citizen whose real name is mohamed Yusuf.
Quite frankly he should be in an american prison but somehow he managed to avoid jailtime and the americans let a terrorist who faced 30 yrs of jail time go back to somalia. Other than that there is no way that he was the third general of the westgate terrorists. Why did the usa send him to somalia?
Must read!
http://gudmundson.blogspot.com/2012/12/svenska-shabaabmedlemmar-infor-ratta-i.html
Bb
From the above link (pretty strange):
“The defendants, Ali Yasin Ahmed, 27, Mahdi Hashi, 23, and Mohamed Yusuf, 29, were arrested in August by authorities in Africa while going to Yemen. They are accused of participating in weapons and explosives training with Al Shabab, a United States-designated terrorist group linked to Al Qaeda, during a four-year period beginning in 2008. Court documents show no connection between the alleged crimes and the United States. Much of the case is shrouded in mystery. For four months, the case remained under seal, and the court documents unsealed on Friday contained little elaboration on the crimes or any indication of why the case was brought in New York. Even the nationalities of the men were unclear. They appeared in court with the aid of a Swedish interpreter.”
The three men were originally from Somalia, an attorney for Yusuf, Ephraim Savitt, said today in a phone interview. Yusuf (aka Mohammed Abdulkadhir), who most recently worked as a bus driver, grew up in Sweden and is a Swedish citizen, Savitt said.
In early August 2012, the defendants were apprehended in Africa by local authorities while on their way to Yemen. On October 18, 2012, a grand jury in the Eastern District of New York returned a sealed indictment against the defendants. On November 14, 2012, the Federal Bureau of Investigation took custody of the defendants and brought them to the Eastern District of New York
Read the above first and then read that! It is getting even more mysterious. Were they setup as future terrorists by the CIA?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2371919/Mahdi-Hashi-23-vanished-Somalia-stripped-citizenship-denied-access-lawyer-eve-legal-fight.html
Hashi’s lawyer, Saghir Hussain, said: ‘Mahdi disappeared in August 2012 in Djibouti only to reappear for the first time in public on December 21 in court in New York. He has disappeared again, this time by “special administrative measures”, which stop an inmate communicating with the outside world. I do not know if I will be able to speak to my client again.
Hot stuff (continues):
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rendition-gets-ongoing-embrace-from-obama-administration-8434963.html
Hashi and his family have denied the allegation. In 2009, Hashi filed an official complaint of harassment against MI5, Britain’s domestic intelligence agency, saying agents had pressured him to become an informant.
Sounds common, doesnt it? So then, did Swedish terrorist Yusuf (Abdulkadhir) agree to work for the CIA?
http://www.justice.gov/usao/nye/pr/2012/2012dec21.html
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/09/23/authorities-dangerous-and-influential-members-of-al-shabab-face-brooklyn-court-appearance/
Shortly after the FBI took custody of the men in November, they pleaded not guilty in a sealed proceeding in federal court in Brooklyn to providing material support to al-Shabab. The case has since been unsealed and Ahmed and Hashi were to appear Monday in court for a status conference.
Ed.: well …. Ahmed and Hashi only? What’s about Yusuf? Oh well. Of course he cannot appear at court simply because he still is fighting in kenya in the westgate mall! He’s on holiday from NY state prison.
http://nytimes.com/2013/05/02/nyregion/court-papers-offer-glimpse-of-government-rationale-in-federal-terror-cases.html
In October 2008, Swedish authorities intercepted phone calls between Ali Yasin Ahmed and Mr. Yusuf, in which the men discussed their plans to travel to Somalia to join Al Shabab and die as martyrs, according to the documents. The conversation came after suicide bombings in two Somali cities targeting the government there, and the two men discussed the attacks. After an attack in Mogadishu in 2009, Ali Yasin Ahmed said during an intercepted phone call that he was an associate of the suicide bomber responsible for that bombing.Prosecutors then also pointed to the men’s suicide bomber training in 2011 in Somalia and association with Mr. Beledi, who prosecutors said bombed a government checkpoint in Mogadishu that year.
The below still appears in google search but the link is dead. Content deleted only hours ago.
Ali Yasin Ahmed | The Bureau of Investigative Journalism
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/…/ali-ya…06.09.2013 – The Bureau is a not-for-profit research organistion.
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/tag/ali-yasin-ahmed/
https://www.facebook.com/abdulkadir.mohamud.98/about
Facebook page of the alleged swedish terrorist.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/10329838/Nairobi-terror-attack-SAS-hero-saves-up-to-100-lives.html
Great work BB you should send your findings to a news paper, it spells (dare I say it) out that this could be a conspiracy!