The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Hi, thanks for the welcome!
Superb profile on Iranian Qassem Suleimani: Syria’s Shadow Commander.
Some quotes:
-Allawi:“I needed US support, but they wanted to leave, and they handed Iraq to the Iranians. Iraq is a failed state now, an Iranian colony.”
-Maliki’s government (Iraq)sets aside the equivalent of two hundred thousand barrels of oil a day($20 Mln) and sends the money to Suleimani.
Suleimani doesn’t even need the Iranian budget to fund his operations.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/09/30/130930fa_fact_filkins?currentPage=all
In the press it was written that they were searching for an SUV 4×4 with UK plates. From Annecy to Calais it’s 836 km.
So they needed to refill. At most of gas stations are camera’s(and at Calais and ASFA roads) so they must know by now what the number plate is and who was in that vehicle.(albeit interviewing all UK SUV 4×4 owners who were in France at that time)
And if it was Mossad why would they kill the family. It doesn’t make sense. Look at the Mabhouh killing in Dubai, they wear wigs and other disguises. They have (false) legitimate passports. They are in and out of country in a day. They don’t need to kill the family for fear of recognition!
Ricki Tarr
24 Sep, 2013 – 9:33 am
“SAS team in place” “Off duty SAS man a hero” Where have we heard this line before? Almost as if the attack was anticipated. (!)
http://www.thejackalnews.com/media/suspected-mi6-spy-william-pike-deploys-john-githongo-battle-ahmednassir-star-pages
RR @ 24 Sep, 2013 – 12:57 pm
you wrote:
“And if it was Mossad why would they kill the family. It doesn’t make sense. Look at the Mabhouh killing in Dubai, they wear wigs and other disguises. They have (false) legitimate passports. They are in and out of country in a day. They don’t need to kill the family for fear of recognition!”
I’m not quite sure who or what you are replying to but…
1) The family weren’t killed – just the adults.
2) I would suggest that to kill all the adults, including Mollier, was the intention (for reasons unknown) and therefore fear of recognition didn’t come into it.
3) Therefore “it” could “make sense”
4) That the children were not to be deliberately harmed but neither were they to be deliberately protected. I would suggest Z’s injuries were accidental (stray shot and or fall to ground or hit by vehicle injuring head).
Ricki tarr
Now it was confirmed by kenyan ministry of foreign affairs that samantha lewthwaite was the leader of the terrorists. Samantha converted to islam when she was 17 and she married the jamaican 7/7 bomber with whom she had children.
Samantha is the daughter of the MI5 intelligence chief of staff in the northern ireland intelligence operations of the uk.
What is even more interesting, the intelligence MI5 northern ireland right arm of her father was killed in kenya a few days ago. He was doing mi6 intelligence in kenya, as a kind like timothy landon. Additionally another guy was killed in kenya a few days ago: mr.parkinson, a royal army intelligence officer who was host for william and kate in kenya recently and for whom prince william had worked one year in kenya.
Jermaine Grant, Samantha’s ally and father of her third child was about to be sentenced to death in kenyan court yesterday. Obviously the trial was postponed due to the terror event.
Samantha’s second husband (also british) was killed in somalia last week. He did care for her children. Additionally her ally al Amriki was killed last week in somalia.
Too many mi6 victims in kenya/somalia most recently.
Bad luck? Or a war between intelligence agencies.
Also …
Mohamed Abdulkadir (aka Yusuf) from Sweden should be in american security prison but not in kenya. Why is he in kenya right now amongst the terrorists?
Identity theft? Could well be because CIA and Mossad are known very well for identity theft.
On the other hand, there were 3 al shabaab terrorists in american prison arrested and abducted by CIA from Djibouti one year ago. Amongst them Ahmed, Hashi and Yusuf. Hashi from UK, Yusuf aka Mohamed Abdelkadir and Ahmed, both from Sweden.
So far they were all of them at court hearings together.
However, yesterday it were only Ahmed and Hashi who appeared for the trial.
Mohamed Abdelkadir was not requested to appear at court in NY.
Why?
Because he is in Kenya or because somebody else in kenya used his identity?
Why can he be in kenya when he is supposed to be in new york high security prison since one year?????
That stinks to heaven!
Over to you.
That’s amazing you need to go to the papers with that!
@Bleb, If your assumption is right, it should be interesting to see what his wife and mother in law have done wrong to get executed this way.
@Tim V, where are those NZ/AUS reports of Barkan in Cambodia?(snuf movies, etc.)
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And how come some of you guys use: Shoeblat and canadafreepress, as a source?
Those are not credible sources, imho!
@Bleb,If your assumption is followed, it could be that Mollier was the target, giving AH info about zirco. In this theory AH presumably worked for Iranian intelligence and was Molliers handler. Given that the shooter, did not know how much the women in the car knew, about the operation,(maybe they were involved) made them eligible for killing. If this theory is followed it could Mossad!
Agreed Bleb
24 Sep, 2013 – 5:30 pm. I found RR’s point hard to follow as well.
As regards Kenya, isn’t it fascinating how a whole continent can be virtually ignored from a “News” point of view, and then almost overnight receive blanket coverage? I have become totally disillusioned with the official media, which appear to me to be merely compliant purveyors of whatever the “dark forces” wish to present.
I don’t know what is behind the Westfield attack. Anything is possible. It may be a genuine Islamic terrorist outfit setting out to cause mayhem and damage to a vulnerable target to spread the message (what message?) or to kill identified people. It could equally well be Western covert operations to increase tension, hatred of Muslims, and enable further repressive domestic measures. The number and background of Europeans and Americans and the circumstances that placed them in the region, are certainly suspicious.
Three specific News stories raise warning signs in my head.
1. This picture in the Mirror @ http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2296707.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/A-family-who-were-trapped-inside-the-Westgate-mall-escaping-2296707.jpg shows a man with a semi automatic pistol tucked into his jeans. His face is pixelated. The Mirror reports:
“A heroic off-duty SAS soldier saved 100 adults and children from terrorists during the Nairobi shopping centre massacre, it has been claimed.
The soldier was enjoying a coffee with friends when the gunmen stormed the Westgate shopping centre and began slaughtering innocent shoppers.
The man – who cannot be identified – is reported to have bravely gone back into the building 12 times to help shoppers to safety.
He was pictured with a handgun tucked into his waistband helping two women during the brutal attack.
Speaking to the Daily Mail, a friend of the solider said: “What he did was so heroic.
“He went back in 12 times and saved 100 people. Imagine going back in when you knew what was going on inside.”
On-duty SAS soldiers are now helping the Kenyan authorities in their final attempt to free the hostages from the shopping centre.”
Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/nairobi-attack-off-duty-sas-soldier-2296888#ixzz2fucEfewP
Which raises the question is it normal for “off duty” SAS men abroad to carry their weapons on them? Is this standard practice? Then, SAS permanently in Kenya? I presume the answer to that one is “Yes”. The propoganda message is clear though: “Good people rescued from bad Muslims by heroic SAS.” Was that the intended message all along?
2. This BBC story @ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-24239823 that got headline treatment. It shows a terrified family group of mother and two children being rescued by another heroic (black) policeman. The incident may indeed be genuine. I just wonder who filmed it, taken as it was from above. Is it professional footage or just someone with a video camera or phone? Most ordinary folk wouldn’t hang around in such a vulnerable position with mad gun men about would they? Would BBC or other news outlets allow people inside during the incident? Not on your nelly. So the footage and its top billing immediately become suspect in my mind, more emotive than factually informative. In other words propaganda.
3. On the BBC One-o’clock news there was a live interview with an “Australian Journalist” with I would guess Middle Eastern origins, who gave a particularly graphic account of what happened inside the Centre. He finished with a statement that women were “sheltering in a sewer”! This appeared contrived and “scripted” to me.
4. Another BBC report a British representative of this group http://www.crisisgroup.org/ changed the official story somewhat stating no longer Al Shabaab but now Muhajadeen aligned to international jihad and Al Qaeda.
“Our History
Crisis Group was founded in 1995 as an international non-governmental organisation on the initiative of a group of well-known transatlantic figures who despaired at the international community’s failure to anticipate and respond effectively to the tragedies in the early 1990s of Somalia, Rwanda and Bosnia. They were led by Morton Abramowitz (former U.S. Ambassador to Turkey and Thailand, then President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace), Mark Malloch-Brown (former head of the UN Development Programme, then UN Deputy Secretary-General and UK Minister), and its first Chairman, Senator George Mitchell. The idea was to create a new organisation – unlike any other – with a highly professional staff acting as the world’s eyes and ears for impending conflicts, and with a highly influential board that could mobilise effective action from the world’s policymakers.
From small beginnings – a two-person office in London, and a tiny field staff in the Balkans and West Africa – Crisis Group has grown very rapidly over the last decade. It currently employs worldwide some 154 permanent staff, representing between them 53 nationalities and speaking 50 different languages, plus at any given time around 20 consultants and 40 interns. Crisis Group publishes annually some 90 reports and briefing papers, as well as the CrisisWatch bulletin assessing every month the current state of play in some 70 countries or areas of actual or potential conflict. Publications are distributed widely by email to over 29,000 targeted recipients and over 150,000 website subscribers, and are available free of charge on our website, which has grown enormously in popularity in recent years, with almost 2 million visits in 2011.”
“172 In 2009, the council of representatives opposed the Maliki
government at every turn as a way of reducing Maliki’s reelection chances. The slate proposed by the government was
headed by a Maliki loyalist, Daawa’s Walid al-Hilli. Crisis
Group interview, Abd-al-Khaleq Zangana, council of representatives member (Kurdistan Coalition Bloc – KDP), Baghdad,
23 January 2010.
http://www.crisisgroup.org/~/media/files/middle%20east%20north%20africa/iraq%20syria%20lebanon/iraq/94_iraq_s_uncertain_future___elections_and_beyond.pdf
RR @ 25 Sep, 2013 – 1:00 pm
“… see what his wife and mother in law have done wrong to get executed this way. …”
I find “done wrong” a bit of a loaded phrase. If a state agency was responsible then it depends whose viewpoint you take. What I think is beyond doubt is that the killer(s) “did wrong”.
Tim,
As you say, god knows what is going on.
Armed “off-duty” SAS notwithstanding, maybe it is really as simple as the attack as retaliation and pressure for Kenya to withdraw from Somalia.
Hi @Bleb You said the shooting of the women were intentional. And I assume you meant predisposed? The Mossad don’t shoot people who are bystanders.
So if the Mossad was involved, the women must have done something “wrong”.
“Which raises the question is it normal for “off duty” SAS men abroad to carry their weapons on them? Is this standard practice? Then, SAS permanently in Kenya?”
BPST and BATUK Kenya
You’re an idiot.
The Twenty Two sit in Hereford. Drink tea. Eat sausage rolls. And await for their time to support the police in the next siege “at home” !
Rolls eyes…and then realises who posted the comment !
RR @ 25 Sep, 2013 – 5:50 pm
“… The Mossad don’t shoot people who are bystanders.
So if the Mossad was involved, the women must have done something “wrong”.”
Only “wrong” in that it ended their lives. Not necessarily wrong in any legal or moral sense. That was what I was getting at.
RR
Al Saffars are working for British intelligence since 1859!!!
There is no reason about why al Saffars would have stopped doing that.
History books tell us that the al Saffars in the Middle East are like the Borgias and Medicis in Europe. I heard a quote regarding Lucrecia Borgia recently:
She said to her butler when she was 16: “Why are you shocked to accept that i killed the guy? I am a Borgia!”
The al Saffars are British assistents.
In return for their support, the British colony made e.g Ismael al Saffar, the son of rich silk merchant Gomaa al Saffar, the first General Police Chief of Iraq in 1924.
Regarding Kenya:
The past two weeks (killing of Edward Loden, British East African senior intelligence) and the killing of MI6 Mr.Parkinson who hosted prince William and Kate in his Kenya house, the killing of Mr.Ghani (British “terrorist” and second husband of the White Widow, killed last week in Somalia), and finally the Westgate “terror” attack are logically pointing at an intelligence war between MI6 versus Mossad.
The same could probably be said about the killing of al Saffar in Chevaline.
It’s not the countries. This is an intelligence war and in Chevaline there were high ranked British intrlligence assets killed, just like it happened in Kenya during the last 3″weeks.
@Bleb, O.k.
@BB, thanks, i am going to read up on your comments, made since 2012, about the Al Saffars.
(At the risk of continuing off-topic minutiae)
Latest reports seem to have morphed the armed off duty SAS man into an ex Royal Marine living in Kenya.
I’ve seen no explanation of how he came to be armed, an obvious question I would have thought.
Note:
Kenyan gun laws seem similar to the UK
see:
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/kenya
“In Kenya, carrying a concealed firearm in a public place is prohibited”
His reported actions appear to have been seized on by the US “gun lobby” as an argument as to why everybody should carry a gun. Maybe that is a clue to this story?
Whatever, I think a large pinch of salt is required.
Bleb
Regarding your SAS guy in Kenya.
Would perfectly fit into my theory of a MI6 versus Mossad war.
IMHO he was part of the terrorists (MI6), likely one of the commanders, being extradited as the good guy who just helped. That’s part of the organisation of such projects to have exit strategies for the important people.
It’s like Mr.Martin who suddenly became Themen good guy who was just at the wrong time at the wrong place and who simply was a helping hero.
That’s pre planned propaganda organisation to save the integrity of important attackers. I am sure that the SAS guy did not kill a single innocent, but he organised and gave commands to the terrorists. Finally he might have killed even one or two of his own team to look like the good hero: Extradited and saved as the good guy.
That al Shabaab twig is IMHO an asset of MI6.
I found the article from “The World Socialist Website”: It had just moved [changed address]. As one of the few opinions diverging from the mainstream, I think a lot can be gleaned from it regarding last weeks attacks.
The article details how Ariel Sharon profited from these 2002 attacks, as he began his efforts to align Israels own fight with the Palestinians, to the wider so called War on Terror [sic]. Efforts which has been successful, because Israel was able to crack down on the Palestinians the year after. Remember how they entered the West Bank in tanks and besieged the PA (Palestinian Authority)’s compound in Ramallah, and eventually this almost 70 year old man died. Of course living in dust and surrounded by rubble cannot have been healthy, but that he suddenly should die was suspicious [A Swiss and a French team are now — independent of each other — investigating whether he was poisoned].
Take PARTICULAR note that there were warnings beforehand, and Australia and Germany among others acted upon it – but not Israel, who apparently wanted it to happen? Sure as hell it helped Israel align its own crack down on the Palestinians with the wider so called WOT [sic].
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http://news.sky.com/story/1146353/kenya-uk-and-us-helping-probe-of-mall
Quote
“Multiple witnesses have said they saw gunmen put down weapons, change clothes and leave with … people being guided out,” Sky’s Ramsay said.”We know of one gentlemen who went to the police and said ‘that man was involved in the shooting’ – but he was ushered on.”
Bleb
Read the above regarding tge SAS guy and his gun.
There are exit strategies for attackers if carefully planned and cooperated with intelligence agencies. Some of them become victims while others become heroes who just helped. Like mr.martin who just helped like a hero. Nice exit strategy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/26/brooklyn-is-the-new-guantanamo-for-three-suspected-al-shabab-members.html
Ricki tarr
Great link with a summary. It confirms what i had been saying before due to my sources:
Hashi and Ahmed did appear at court. Yusuf did not. Coincidence?
What is even more interesting is the matter of fact:
Yusuf’s alias is Mohammed Abdelkadir. He is Swedish.
Swedish Mohamed Abdelkadir appears in the al Shabaab list posted on the al Shabaab twitter account as one of the westgate terrorists. Why? He is supposed to be in Brooklyn prison right now. Will he be back before sept 30 or – if killed in kenya – will he officially commit suicide in brooklyn prison some days before sept 30?
What us even more interesting: Hashi was British citizen. His family said that MI6 offered him to work for them. He refused to do so. In return, the UK cancelled his British citizenship.
Did Yusuf accept to work for the “good guys”?
So then, was Westgate the work of the “good guys”?
That whole thing regarding Yusuf aka Mohammed Abdelkadir stinks to heaven!
Agreed Bleb
25 Sep, 2013 – 4:07 pm
The official line is that this was an attack by “Al Shabaab” (the new Al Qaeda bogeyman to justify stuff?) Somalian guerillas in response to Kenyan incursions across the border and “securing” Mogadishu from pirates and terrorists, largely at the behest of western powers and oil companies (the same thing?) The question is, who in general is behind Al Shabaab and this attack in particular. Whatever the cause, the the response has been predictable. The British are already calling for greater military support (helicopters, transport etc) for the Kenyan armed forces in the area. (Can we see lucrative arms contracts in the pipeline effectively financed by the British taxpayer?) Another is the effect it has on popular politics, unifying against the common enemy behind the newly elected president, Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta, son of Jono of fond memory, despite some inconvenient details of ICC charges and disappearing/dying witnesses. What better way to put all that nasty stuff behind us in facing the terrorist threat that threatens women and children on a peaceful day out shopping? From reports and photographs it is clear a detachment of SAS is in the area pre-dating the attack and they are not dispatched for no reason. Yet again oil (in tankers) is one of the main reasons why the West takes an interest in an otherwise devastated, poor and neglected area of the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uhuru_Kenyatta
“Mr Lenku said experts from the US, UK, Israel, Germany, Canada and Interpol are joining their Kenyan counterparts in the operation. This will take up to seven days. Al-Shabab joined al-Qaeda in February 2012. In a joint video, al-Shabab leader Ahmed Abdi Godane said he “pledged obedience” to al-Qaeda head Ayman al-Zawahiri.
“The two groups have long worked together and foreigners are known to fight alongside Somali militants.
US officials believe that with al-Qaeda on the retreat in Afghanistan and Pakistan following the killing of Osama bin Laden, its fighters will increasingly take refuge in Somalia. ” BBC
Oh James you are so super(cilious) you must be able to smell it in your sweat. I know your sort from schools days pouring scorn on anything and everything as a method of bigging themselves up at the expense of others. Why don’t you go elsewhere and spread your nasty bile? Even the SAS don’t usually go around with semi-automatics stuck into their jeans or do you think they do? Are YOU so stupid to think that is standard regimental policy? We all know about the SAS and don’t know about them as well. Two army men recently got gaoled for keeping weapons brought back from Iraq at home or you might have missed that one. The point I was making, although you have an unerring ability to miss ALL significant points, is that SAS were on scene, subsequently confirmed in the Times and elsewhere – and not just “happened to be on holiday with a gun in my waist band just in case”!
Any mention of SAS? Well of course not. It goes without saying. Their deployment is a closely guarded secret (most of the time)
“The British Peace Support Team (BPST (EA))
BPST’s mission is to coordinate UK military assistance to armed forces in Eastern Africa in order to contribute to Security Sector Reform and to increase peacekeeping capacity. To fulfil this mission it has three main parts:
•International Mine Action Training Centre (IMATC)
•Peace Support Training Centre (PSTC)
•A presence in the Kenyan Defence and Staff College (DSC)
The IMATC is a joint British and Kenyan venture aimed at alleviating the suffering caused by landmines and Explosive Remnants of War by providing high quality Mine Action Training. IMATC opened in February 2005 and is located next to Nairobi’s international airport. The IMATC offers an excellent training opportunity for Mine Action due to the bespoke facilities, access to local Kenyan training areas and unique position in a neutral and secure location in Africa.
East Africa’s first dedicated dog detection centre is now open at the IMATC and is currently home to 6 mine detection dogs. Training at the IMATC is exclusively humanitarian in nature and NGOs and other organisations operating in a mine affected region are welcome to use the facilites. ”
British Army Training Unit Kenya – (BATUK)
BATUK is a permanent training support unit based mainly in Nanyuki, 200 km north of Nairobi, but with a small rear element in Kahawa Bks, just outside Nairobi. It provides the logistic support to visiting units and consists of around 56 permanent staff and reinforcing short tour cohort of another 110 personnel.
Under an agreement with the Kenyan Government, six infantry battalions per year carry out six-week exercises in Kenya. There are also three Royal Engineer Squadron exercises which carry out civil engineering projects and two medical company group deployments which provide primary health care assistance to the civilian community”
http://www.army.mod.uk/operations-deployments/22724.aspx