Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278


The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?


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  • Tim V

    I’m with you on most things Bluebird
    26 Sep, 2013 – 8:14 am including the possibility of a MI6/Mossad “war”. However your theory about the “gun-toting SAS hero” goes just a bit too far for even me. James poured scorn (he’s so predictable he’s become a complete and utter bore) on my observation about the SAS man who just “happened” to be on-scene complete with Glock (?) weapon just tucked nonchalantly into his jeans, but I wouldn’t go as far as to say he masterminded the whole thing. Nor do I think his presence and actions could have been completely innocent. The Times states there is a detachment of SAS in the area and this must pre-date the attack. Why they are there we can only surmise – presumably training the locals but they are probably too important and specialist for that function. Much more likely for protection for embassy people and covert actions against enemies and threats. In any event being photographed wandering around with gun sticking out the front (at least it could have been in his sock!) probably got him either a bollocking or a send-up, in which I am sure James would have gladly joined in on.

  • Tim V

    “He refused to comment on whether he believed the military authorities had pursued him because they had been embarrassed by the Nightingale campaign or whether he felt he was being made a scapegoat by army chiefs, who are believed to want to rein in the SAS.

    Nightingale, 38, said he was still proud of his career in the SAS, which he joined in 2001, adding: “This won’t taint my military memory. The last few years aren’t really part of my military.”

    The court martial at Bulford camp in Wiltshire heard that a Glock 9mm pistol and more than 300 rounds of ammunition were found in Nightingale’s bedroom in a house he shared with a friend and SAS colleague, who can be identified only as Soldier N.

    Following the discovery, Nightingale and N were brought back to the UK from Afghanistan, where they were serving. Nightingale told civilian police the pistol had been a present from Iraqis he had worked with in 2007. He said he had carelessly stockpiled the ammunition while he worked as a range instructor for the SAS.”

    His housemate N had already pleaded guilty last year to possessing a pistol and ammunition that were found in his room in the shared house and was sentenced to two years’ detention. Like all the special services soldiers who gave evidence during the court martial he was given anonymity. During the seven-day court martial, tantalising glimpses of life in the SAS emerged. The court heard how in 2010 Nightingale was made sniper co-ordinator of a fast-reaction counter-terrorism team ready to be airborne within 30 minutes to tackle a Mumbai-style terrorist attack on British soil.

    At the time he and N lived a double life in an ordinary house in a suburban street, the location of which cannot be revealed for security reasons. Nightingale had the back bedroom, N the front. They took turns to mow the lawn and clean the windows. All the time they were ready to be helicoptered into a life-or-death situation.

    But the prosecution made it clear there were no special exemptions for the SAS when it came to possession of weaponry or ammunition. “No soldier, no matter what his experience or what unit he is attached to is above the law,” prosecutor Timothy Cray told the court.”

    Guardian

  • Tim V

    “This weekend came the extraordinary revelation that a former British special forces ‘Soldier N’ knew, ‘it was the SAS who arranged Princess Diana’s death and that has been covered up’. His parents spelt it out in a letter to a senior military officer, which appeared in evidence in the case of another former SAS soldier, Danny Nightingale.

    While Nightingale had been caught in possession of an illegal firearm and ammunition, ‘Soldier N’ himself had quite a cache, a hand grenade, stun grenades, a Glock pistol and hundreds of rounds of ammunition at his home.

    So are these former SAS men ‘gun crazy’ reprobates as the prosecution would have us believe? Or, having first or second hand knowledge of political assassinations, might they be justified in fearing for their lives?

    The idea that the military might be used for secret ‘black operations’ abroad is nothing new. For example during ‘regime change’ operations to destabilize Libya in March 2011, eight British soldiers and secret service officers on ‘black ops.’ were arrested by Libyan rebels in the Benghazi hinterland.”

    Aldo Moro was assassinated by his political rivals, who were thought to be connected both to Operation Gladio and Italy’s secret cabala of the day, Licio Gelli’s P2 Masonic lodge.

    The BBC’s Timewatch programme collaborated with director, Allan Francovich, to document Gladio in three 1992 films. The Ring Masters, The Puppeteers and The Foot Soldiers contain jaw-dropping interviews with soldiers and jailed fascists, about attacks on police stations and the execution, by NATO, of hundreds of innocent passers-by. No wonder they wanted Gladio kept so secret.”
    Journalist and comedian Keith Allen spent four years and £2.5m making a comprehensive documentary ‘Unlawful Killing’. Completed in 2011 Allen’s ‘inquest into the inquest’ exposes evidence that the killing was no ‘accident’ but appeared timed to smash to oblivion Diana’s imminent engagement to Dodi Al-Fayed.

    Even though he paid for it, Al-Fayed appears to have lost control of the film, and its worldwide distribution has been entirely blocked, as has any free online release. Only the Iranian English language, Channel Press TV, now banned in the UK and blocked by YouTube has aired any clips and reviewed the film. Demanding 87 cuts, royal lawyers have effectively censored it.

    However, a retired Australian journalist, John Morgan, has carried out a comprehensive investigation in his 150 page 2012 book ‘Paris London Connection, The Assassination of Princess Diana’. He describes the main motives behind her killing as Diana’s support for the HALO anti-land mines campaign and the immense power she had to embarrass and upstage the royal family.

    As the masterminds, Morgan places MI6 officers, Sherard Cowper-Coles and Richard Spearman, in Paris specifically for the period immediately running up to the ‘accident’, replacing MI6 Paris’s station chief, Eugene Curley, who was recalled to London. Cowper-Coles subsequently received a knighthood and left MI6 over a multiple bribery scandal that hit private arms manufacturer, BAe Systems.”

    Comments: Angrous Spinous 05.09.2013 13:20

    “My gun is not under my pillow, it’s in a holster hanging from my bed frame behind my head.”

    http://rt.com/op-edge/uk-sas-black-operation-diana-842/

  • Tim V

    “Soldiers serving with the elite regiment at the time are certain their deaths in a Paris car crash were not accidental.

    However, they are sceptical of claims that fellow members of the regiment were involved.

    Far from dismissing reports of a cover-up as a conspiracy theory, many SAS men feel there are too many unanswered questions.

    A source said: “There has always been a view among certain members of the regiment that Diana’s death was not an accident. It is not a view shared by every­one but there is a core of soldiers who believe she was killed.

    “When you are planning a military operation you have to train and practise every step of the mission and even then things can go wrong. Look at all the factors involved in Diana’s death. For that to be passed off as an accident just doesn’t ring true.”

    SAS top brass have ordered serving members of the regiment to cut all ties with Soldier N.

    The claims attributed to him are regarded by senior officers as the most damaging in the SAS’s illustrious 70-year history. ­However, insiders say Soldier N is unlikely to be totally ostracised.

    There is sympathy for the plight of the man who served his country for 20 years. Many SAS soldiers have illegally kept guns and ammunition at unsecured private homes over the years.

    An amnesty on unlawful weapons in the wake of the arrests of Soldier N and Danny Nightingale is said to have resulted in a large quantity of guns and ammo ­being handed in.

    The SAS has launched a inquiry into how the regiment became embroiled in the allegations.
    One officer called it a “fiasco” for a regiment “supposed to operate in the shadows”.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/427531/SAS-troops-Princess-Diana-was-killed-in-a-murder-plot-but-we-didn-t-do-it

    Soldier N who made the detailed claims to his ex-wife has now apparently “left the country” and is thought to be somewhere in the Middle East!

  • Ricki Tarr

    I think there can be other reasons for an SAS soldier to be there and be “off duty”
    He could have been security of a high profile VIP, been connected to the consulate/MI6
    Or training the Kenyan Army/ security which happens a lot!

  • RR

    RT cannot be trusted and is therefore not a trusted source. That’s pure agitprop!
    Watching the Assange/Nasrallah RT interview yesterday on youtube(Thks BB), I don’t understand why he didn’t pop the:”Who killed Hariri” question!

  • bluebird

    RR
    Whom do you trust? What media source is totally reliable today?

    CNN? FOX? Alex Jones? Murdoch? Ynet? Iran Times?

    Of course there are propaganda and lies everywhere. It depends on yourself to filter information with logic to receive the facts.
    Since 9/11 latest we live in a world of lies. That makes blogs like this one so important.

  • Tim V

    That SAS quote was particularly pertinent I thought and I’m guessing if they were allowed to comment, they would say the same about Chevaline.

    ““When you are planning a military operation you have to train and practise every step of the mission and even then things can go wrong. Look at all the factors involved in Diana’s death. For that to be passed off as an accident just doesn’t ring true.””

  • katie

    I’m amazed at some of the comments here,re Africa. They show a great deal of ignorance of what happens in Africa. Especially these days in Kenya.

    My daughters home had a panic button which is almost standard for expats, night after night in Malawi we had gunfire outside the compound. Everyone had guards. Even in a comparatively safe place like dar/Tanzania she had two guards day & night. Everyone lives behind high walls & electric fencing.

    In Nigeria, the top of the staircase was barricaded & locked off at night !

    So why you think it odd for an Ex SAS to carry a gun I just don’t know…..maybe you think it safer to leave it at home under his pillow where the staff could find it ?

  • Tim V

    I don’t doubt for a moment that some places in the world are much more risky than others. We are amazingly lucky here. The reality is that we have exported much violence ourselves and then stand back wringing our hands, not knowing what to do about the consequences. As regards Kenya, where the ripples of the Mau Mau Uprising are still lapping our shores, still maintains very close links with Westminster as the presence of the SAS tends to confirm. However if you were right Katie, presumably everyone in the photo would have had semi-automatics sticking out their trouser waistbands. The fact that this pixillated gentleman was, and in addition was identified as SAS and a hero, is significant in anybody’s book. We must assume he wasn’t “having a coffee” with it sticking out. Nor does he appear to have a holster on him. He obviously had access to it pretty conveniently.

  • katie

    That’s a typical Timbo comment sounding very American too,especially the holster bit, were you surprised he wasn’t wearing spurs too ?
    The man is not SAS he is ‘EX’ SAS/marine. The very nature of his training is probably why he feels he needs to carry his gun, I don’t know & neither do you. I know he lives in Kenya though.

    There are many many such expats in Africa.Also if you bother to observe the photo the guy was with two women which look like mother & daughter, obviously relaxed & at the Mall before the attack & before the Kenyans asked the UK to help.

    I doubt you’ve been outside America Tim !

  • Tim V

    I don’t suppose this could be a subtle hint could it? Found in the Air France departure lounge at JFK. 32 in a magazine and note last paragraph.

    “The Ingram MAC-11 (Military Armament Corporation Model 11) is a subcompact machine pistol developed by American gun designer Gordon Ingram at the Military Armament Corporation (MAC) during the 1970s. The weapon is a sub-compact version of the Model 10 (MAC-10), and is chambered to fire the smaller .380 ACP round.
    This weapon is sometimes confused with the Sylvia & Wayne Daniels M-11/9 or the Vulcan M-11-9, both of which are later variants of the MAC chambered for 9 mm Luger Parabellum cartridge.[1]” WIKI

  • Tim V

    Such a sassy, well travelled lady Katie
    28 Sep, 2013 – 3:01 pm. And as to your last guess, why, gee. Gawd damn no.

  • Tim V

    Detectives are examining claims that a French convict was offered 100,000 euros (£84,000) to “eliminate an Iraqi settled in England”, it has emerged, a year after the quadruple Alps murders.

    Investigators are “looking into the lead of a French inmate who was allegedly offered 100,000 euros to eliminate an Iraqi settled in England”, according to Le Figaro newspaper.

    British police have also reportedly been examining separate, unsubstantiated, claims by a witness that a hired assassin with military experience may have carried out the murder for less than £2,000.

    The source confirmed that an “English witness” had suggested the entire Al-Hilli family was targeted by a “mercenary” from the Balkans who was paid the equivalent of 2000 euros.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/10289503/Al-Hilli-murder-convict-offered-100000-euros-to-eliminate-Iraqi-in-England.html

    These reports in the well connected Telegraph, beg a number of questions. What was the point of offering a French convict a 100000 Euro contract if he was in gaol unless he was coming to the end of his term? Presumably if the French know this much they must know who made the offer. Case solved! “An Iraqi”. Which one? Was this before or after the massacre? Are we talking Saad or Zaid or someone else?

    So we have a £80 000 contract on the French side compared to a measly £2000 for the ENTIRE Al Hilli family from the British side – apparently an “English witness”. Who could that be I wonder, party to such an outrageous suggestion, why so cheap, and what does “entire” mean? Do both these reports include or refer to Zaid also? If so how can he be considered a suspect? Alternatively, if he was the source of the offer, is it conceivable he would have contacts with French convicts, or indeed offer so much more to an assassin in France than in England?

    As we have come to expect, the announcements are sensational but make no sense. Are they made simply to distract and confuse. Yet again we have very contrasting output on a similar theme from both sides of the channel. Is the one intended to spike the other. You would think, wouldn’t you in a JOINT investigation there would be consultation prior to COMMON press release.

    Yet again this cannot be accidental but what we should make of it is anybody’s guess.

  • bleb

    Tim,

    As you say it doesn’t make sense.

    Why would anybody hire a French convict to kill someone in the UK?

    The only reasons I can think of are:

    1) The person to be hired is some sort of super assassin who is equally at home in France and the UK. Do such people exist?

    2) The person(s) plotting the murder were French and only had French based criminal contacts.

    3) The French convict has made the story up.

    4) Le Figaro has been fed a deliberately misleading story (by a French state agency?)

    BTW – have a look at Israeli relations with Malawi, Nigeria & Tanzania.

  • bluebird

    Read that link (use google translate)

    This is a lot but very interesting.

    Christian Mollier (Grenoble) was a French convict. He was in prison because he tried to kill an Algerian diplomat in france and he tortured the diplomat’s wife.

    Ex convict Christian Mollier is deeply connected with the french neofascist movement, with “legion noire Croate” and with “Solidarite Kosovo”.

    Now consider that Zaid is the Meyer Lansky for a British right wing (fascist) company, owmed by declared british and irish right wing fascists. There might have been contacts to millionaire Piero San Giorgio in Geneve whose first asset and right hand is Christian Mollier.

    I believe that a further investigation of Piero San Giorgio and about his history with Arabs could bring more light into chevaline.

  • bluebird

    http://ch.indymedia.org/frmix/2012/12/88290.shtml

    Le propriétaire de “Terre Celtique” (situé 40, cours Berriat à Grenoble) est un dénommé Christian Mollier, ancien du Mouvement National Républicain (MNR, dissidents du FN) qui s’est illustré publiquement à deux reprises. La première lors de l’attaque d’une conférence de l’association Amitiés et Liens France-Maghreb (ALIF) sur l’immigration qui lui vaudra son exclusion du MNR et une peine de 10 mois de prison avec sursis et 5 ans de privation de droits civiques. 

  • katie

    Nice try there Bleb…..won’t work.

    Was it Q who took up my mention of lasers some months ago, others sneered but I think they should read this:

    ‘EXCLUSIVE: Laser horror as attempts to blind pilots put UK passengers at risk

    THOUSANDS of planes coming in to land at Britain’s busiest airports are in danger of crashing because pilots are being ‘blinded’ by laser pen attackers.’

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/432928/EXCLUSIVE-Laser-horror-as-attempts-to-blind-pilots-put-UK-passengers-at-risk

  • katie

    Tim V
    28 Sep, 2013 – 10:00 pm

    I can think of an Iraqi in the UK who would be a target….one that is in trouble in France .
    He’s been mentioned a number of times by me.
    He’s also got a lot of info on French politicians,he’s rich,ruthless & he’s powerful.
    As BB knows I think he’s behind this whole affair.

  • Tim V

    From your ref. Bluebird
    29 Sep, 2013 – 10:20 am

    “Artam-Brotherhood is a young neo-Nazi organization established in the Loire, Franche-Counted, Haute-Savoie and the Suisse-Romande. It is the fruit of relationship maintained for a number of years between the Nationalist and UNIF acronym Identitaire Union Francaise (small group present in the Loire, Var and Haute-Savoie and whose principal activity is the organizing camps cohesion and military training) and young neo-Nazis Neuchatel, Geneva and surrounding areas.”

    Grenoble and Geneva, both popping up in the Chevaline story, appear to be centres for a French/Swiss version of neo-fascism – basically young thugs who seek an identity, purpose and an excuse to throw their weight around.

    What can we say are the chief characteristics of this new breed? A hatred of “foreigners” particularly those with dark skin or non-Christian background. Defining themselves as essentially white Christian, they display little of Christian ethics or democratic principles. They see violence as a necessary means to an end and appear to be antipathetic to big business and Jews which they see as closely connected. Yet despite a hierarchical, almost feudal approach to society, they regard themselves as “socialist”. A dichotomy crystallized in the love/hate relationship between Hitler and Stalin perhaps? The iconography undoubtedly harks back to the Third Reich with all its implications.

    I must admit although the Mossad/CIA scenario is in my opinion a leading contender, there are aspects that lend Chevaline to neo-fascist solutions. The main victims would fit whilst the Molliers appear to have clear and dramatic links by family history, organisation and place.

    Now straying into pure fantasy, if Mollier was on a mission to kill on behalf of an organisation, but then was “neutralised” by someone else coming upon the scene, charged with protecting his victims, how might that play out? The 4×4 might then become friendly back-up called in to remove incriminating evidence. The identified weapon might fit neo-Nazis with Swiss army background. Can we rely on the French opinion of only one antique Luger for all the shots? It might explain French cover of WBM and not wishing to admit dangerous right-wing elements for whom ethnicity may have provided sufficient motive. However it wouldn’t really explain British SIS involvement would it and I doubt such a group would extend to Britain and threaten the remaining members of the family.

    Apologies for throwing this ridiculous idea into the melting pot at such a late stage but it may be worth a bit of brain-storming.

  • Tim V

    EM has evidenced secrecy throughout. This has been explained in terms of French legal protocol by which he is bound. Others might suggest it indicates something more worrying. That he has an element of discretion is proved by the information that he HAS given out, some of it highly personal and speculative in relation to the Al Hilli’s finances and relationships. It is a reasonable question to ask what and why he has kept some things secret and not others.

    SM’s family relationships and disputes were intentionally not reported. This fits his refusal even to date, to publish any picture of him. There must be a pressing reason for this beyond family privacy, since in a murder case the publication of a likeness plays such an important part in getting witness evidence. What could this be?

    Similarly as respect of the “3.15 pm photograph” he refused to publish as it was “too morbid” a quite ludicrous reason. Images of the dead victims – yes. Of the living – no. Again there must have been impelling reason for this. Would it lead to unwanted/embarrassing recognition?

    Why protect the witness Philippe Didierjean by first with-holding altogether, then as “Philippe D” only, then the full name that from a later Swiss source proved to be not Didierjean at all, but “Bossy”?

    Then there were the two female companions who have never been identified nor their observations.

    Recently it has emerged there was a second OAP cyclist who appeared on the scene soon after WBM but not mentioned by him, PD/B and certainly not identified by EM. As such an important witness, why was he and his observations kept secret?

    Why has he kept secret the Forestry department employees who he said drove past at the critical time?

    Why has he not identified the driver of the Peugeot 205/305 or at least explained what he was doing there and why he was driving so erratically?

    EM’s secrecy and unreliability as regards interpretation of the scene have seriously undermined confidence in the genuineness of the investigation, further reinforced by the failure to correct these short-comings at the press conference on the 6th September 2013 the press reports of which were all superficial in the extreme. Isn’t it truly amazing not one appears to have reported verbatim, all the questions and answers – if there were any. As usual the only thing given out and reproduced was “flannel”.

    This inexplicable reticence to reveal convinces more than anything of the diplomatically sensitive nature of the event.

  • RR

    BB, yeah ofcourse most media write stories to serve one purpose: to attract as much advertiser money as possible. If they write stories which are not true they don’t care that much, as long as it attracts readers/viewers.
    However I see CNN not willingly broadcastinging Agiprop, as oppose RT does, and RT doesn’t care. They get 300 Mln. from Putin p.a. and that together with serving the motherland is all that mathers to them.

    This is alos interesting:
    Is Saddam Hussein’s fortune in a warehouse in Moscow? Mystery over £16.75bn piles of cash left at airport for six years
    Cash in 100 euro notes is stored on wooden pallets
    Each of the 200 pallets is worth 100million euros
    Money was sent to Moscow from Frankfurt in 2007
    Documents show the sender was a 45-year-old Iranian
    No recipient listed but sources say it could belong to Saddam Hussein
    Other theories are that it belonged to Colonel Gaddafi, a Mafia operation linked to the state, or corrupt officials
    Unsuccessful attempts have been made to claim the fortune that would make the owner richer than Roman Abramovich

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2437208/Is-Saddam-Husseins-fortune-warehouse-Moscow-Mystery-16-75bn-piles-cash-left-airport-years.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

  • bluebird

    RR
    Interesting link.
    There are no doubts that people are getting killed for that amount of money.

    Regarding your reply:
    Dont trust western media!

    Dailymail posted a kenya story today with a photo of a “terrorist” and some people covering under a desk. Investigating readers found that photo. It was taken during a bank robbery in China in July.
    Another photo displayed by western media was allegedly a CCTV image of 3 terrorists entering the westgate mall. That photo was taken from a CCTV in Bogota, Colombia.

    As we know very well, many photos and witnesses of the chevaline event were faked and staged, too. Western MSM is better than the world wrestling federation in faking stories and images. The sad thing is that people do believe that crap.

    Bb

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