The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Here we go (again!)
Now Prime Minister David Cameron, France’s Francois Hollande and President Obama have agreed to support the Somali president with limited military assistance and a Joint Coalition Special Forces Task Force will target the group.
British special forces units are already in Djibouti, north of Somalia, exercising with French and American forces who in the past three years have launched drone attacks into Somalia to eliminate “high value” terrorist targets.
A senior source said there are several options but Our Boys will need to put some time on the ground to get an intelligence picture of current al-Shabaab resources and plan a way forward. THE SUN
“Furious British security officials are demanding to know why UK special forces in Nairobi were not called in to help with the mall rescue operation.
SAS soldiers were in the capital on training exercises when terrorists struck last Saturday but they were not brought in.
Israeli Special Forces in the area were also not asked to take part in the life-saving mission.
“Two of the best special forces in the world were there but not called in,” said a Whitehall security source.
“There is a big inquest at high level as to why. The Brits and Israelis have experience in carrying out raids and rescuing hostages.
“They have the expertise that the Kenyan troops don’t.””
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/341658/SAS-set-to-strike-Somali-al-Shabaab-mall-terror-group
Actually Tim, that is incorrect,why you believe the Daily Star I don’t know.
‘SAS officers helped Kenyan troops in their efforts to free the last hostages, the Daily Mail reports. The British soldiers were also on “standby” to take part in the assault.’
Others were there in an advisory capacity.
Frankly, as Kenya is an Independent country I don’t see why we should expect to take over.
Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/nairobi-attack/55273/nairobi-siege-sas-man-hero-after-saving-100#ixzz2gZAgBUZr
so they were or they weren’t? (That’s why I posted it Katie) Because I post does not entail belief. I would have thought you wud have gleaned that much by now. Never jump to conclusions eh?
I would recommend to read that article using google translate for the non french speakers.
Why is it interesting? Simply because at least some of the molliers are somehow connected to “bloc identitaire” and bloc identitaire is connected to the balkan.
http://grenoble.indymedia.org/2012-05-21-L-implantation-de-l-extreme-droite
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloc_identitaire
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We are Génération Identitaire.We are the generation who get killed for glancing at the wrong person, for refusing someone a cigarette, or having an “attitude” that annoys someone.We are the generation of ethnic fracture, total failure of coexistence,| and forced mixing of the races.We are the generation doubly punished: Condemned to pay into a social system so generous with strangers it becomes unsustainable for our own people.Our generation are the victims of the May ‘68’ers who wanted to liberate themselves from tradition, from knowledge and authority in education. But they only accomplished to| liberate themselves from their responsibilities.We reject your history books to re-gather our memories.We no longer believe that “Khader” could ever be our brother, we have stopped believing in a Global Village and the Family of Man.We discovered that we have roots, ancestry and therefore a future.Our heritage is our land, our blood, our identity. We are the heirs to our own future.We turned off the TV to march the streets.We painted our slogans on the walls, cried through loudspeakers for “youth in power”, and flew our Lambda flags high.The Lambda, painted on proud Spartans’ shields, is our symbol.Don’t you understand what this means? We will not back down, we will not give in.We are sick and tired of your cowardice.You are from the years of post-war prosperity, retirement benefits, S.O.S Racism and “diversity”, sexual liberation, and a bag of rice from Bernard Kouchner.We are 25 percent unemployment, social debt, multicultural collapse and an explosion of anti-white racism. We are broken families, and young French soldiers dying in Afghanistan.You won’t buy us with a condescending look, a state-paid job of misery, and a pat on the shoulder.We don’t need your youth-policies. Youth IS our policy.Don’t think this is simply a manifesto. It is a declaration of war.You are of yesterday, we are of tomorrow.We are Génération Identitaire.
http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/we_are_generation_identitaire
Computer translation of one paragraph of the above link (i found that paragraph to be particularly interesting):
In late 1991, the French mercenaries engage in Croatian Black Legion (or Special Brigade Anti-terrorism) led and funded by Croatian Mladen (nicknamed the Black Mladen). The Legion and its leader took their name from the color of their uniforms. Mladen had lived seven years in Sweden where he ran a restaurant before returning in 1990 in Croatia in Zagreb, where he founded a travel agency and import-export of fruits and vegetables. He has sold all of its assets 550,000 DM to finance his military group.
Here’s an english version:
http://www.spunk.org/texts/groups/faf/sp000260.txt
Below is a copy of a side note of the above link that links france, romania, balkan and iraq. There are known knowns amongst french extreme right, iraqis and balkan guys:
Quote:
Nicolas Peucelle was bow in 1963 in Berlin and was one of the first people to enter the presidential palace in Bucarest after the fall of Ceaucescu in December 1989. A year later, he left for lraq with Faci then returned without seeing combat. In February 1991, still with Faci, he formed the asociation Friends of lraq. Peucelle has two great passions; the cult of the god Thor and arms. He collaborates on militaria journals and collects arms (Rene Monzat, Enquetes sur la droite extreme, op. cit. p28). On 6 July 1991 at 2 o’clock in the mowing, the shed at Courbevoie where he kept part of his collection exploded and seriously injured a firefighter. Fighting in Slovenia, he mugged up a story and retuwed to France as a POW (Liberation, 25/7 /91). Despite being charged for involuntary injury and for infringing legislation on arms and explosives, he was released from prison very quickly, and in November 1991, he was once more to be found alongs ide Faci in Croatia.
Some interesting comments made by nicolas peucelle on www blogs. I wonder whether or not he did communicate with zaid or saad on such blogs.
GERMAN AND FRENCH NAZIS JOIN SADDAM IN GULF WARACQUIRING MILITARY WEAPONS was fun, but we didn’t really need them toattack refugee shelters or fight anarchists. If we used them in Berlin, we’d find ourselves behind bars before we could reload. For these weapons to be really put to use, we needed some sort of war. Our chance came when Iraq invaded Kuwait in August and the United States responded by sending troops to Saudi Arabia.As international preparations for the war progressed that fall, many Neo-Nazis saw it as their great chance to get involved in a fight against Israel. Michael Kuhnen and Michel Faci, the French Fascist, founded an “Anti-Zionist Legion” of German neo-Nazis to fight in the Gulf on the Iraqi side. Faci was well known for getting himself involved in all kinds of conflicts. In the early 1980s he had “seen action” in South America when he was hired as a mercenary. For Faci, war was like a kind of pornography-an endless snuff film in which he got to play soldier with real weapons and real bodies.Faci went to Baghdad at Saddam Hussein’s invitation to set things up. They signed a contract to provide German volunteers for Saddam Hussein to support Iraq against “the present aggression of Zionist and U.S.imperialist forces,” specifying that every neo-Nazi officer was to be guaranteed 5,000 deutsche marks, every legionnaire 3,000. But while the Gulf War was a bit of a disappointment-its speed and scale made it inappropriate for much mercenary involvement- on its heels came a war that provided far better opportunities for neo-Nazi intervention.
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Nicolas Peucelle 03.01.2010 09:07
I still wonder why my faded memories still contain various International Press releases made in the early 90ies concerning the selling of entire nuclear warheads by desintegrating soviet military staff. I remember news like “Transfer of nuclear missile heads” from the former USSR to Iran. This means that today Iran has not yet a capablity to build its own nucelar warheads with hom made plutonium. But for some reasons there is nobody reminding the possibility that Iran is having already several nuclear devices made from recycled components of former soviet forces nuclear missiles. I guess that dealing more and more harshly with Iran as an arrogant rogue State “still trying” to get hold of nuclear capabilities by producing its own plutonium is still “acceptable” to the normal citizens mind.. A kind of limited risk in case of war.. but if the news would remind the other option that Iran has now “only” a few nuclear weapons which they are not yet able to produce completely allone.. than the risk to attack that country with military means could appear “too risky” for the average citizen whoms support is now still somehow requested in the media support of the ongoing preparations to stop Iram from gaining even more nuclear capabilities.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/10350285/Iranian-cyber-warfare-commander-shot-dead-in-suspected-assassination.html
The Al Hilli / Mollier meeting has always puzzled me. The determination of the French Prosecutor to deny that a meeting took place, in fact that there was any possible connection between the two, I have always thought highly suspicious. It is so contrary to normal police practice of keeping all lines of enquiry open until they are are positively closed. In a way it is the corollary in reverse, of EM’s certainty of the heroic, unimpeachable involvement of WBM. Both reactions appear counter-intuitive. To this must be added the total absence of any background on Mollier or even the publication of a photograph.
The doubts have been reinforced by further official statements that can be shown to be contradictory or conflicting with other evidence in the public domain. For example even when the forensics proved SAH and SM were physically close at the time of the shooting – effectively conversing – EM tried to undermine it.
Then we have all the media, on the back of police reports, placing SM’s body to the front off-side (RHS viewed from the driver’s seat) of the car. Yet this absolutely conflicts with the evident blood stained ground on the OTHER side of the car – blood that could ONLY have come from Mollier. If he was lying on the RHS of the car, it must mean he was moved there after he stopped bleeding. (WBM admits to this but why has never been satisfactorily explained) Why did the police allow this error to be promulgated and not correct it at the first opportunity?
Similarly they allowed the suggestion that his bike lay next to him, when in fact as we have seen from later aerial photographs it was propped against the road at the other end of the car park. Of course the assumptions from the these two conflicting situations are quite different. The first suggests he got no further that the start of the lay by when first shot and fell next to his bike, whereas the second (true) inference was that he rode to the other end and got off normally, walked to the Al Hillis outside their car, before any hint of an attack took place.
Then we have official statements from EM that he “was sure” SM was just an unlucky interloper, killed for being a witness and arriving after the main attack on the the Al Hillis. Clearly this interpretation cannot withstand the forensic evidence either, as Mollier we are told, was shot first and last and most often.
Then we have the official statement that Mollier was struck and dragged by Al Hilli’s vehicle in the process of a quite impossible reverse manoeuvre. Not only is this not borne out by WBM’s testimony of an un-grazed body but it in no way makes sense given the location of the BMW and where Mollier obviously lay after being shot.
We MUST pose the question why the French authorities would promote or not correct such a farrago (these are only some of them!) of lies and misinformations? It cannot be explained in terms of incompetence. The only explanation in my mind was that it was essential to distance Mollier from any suggestion of involvement with the Al Hilli’s, whatever their reason was for being there, and to disassociate him from any suggestion of involvement with either being assailant or target.
I am convinced that the opposite is true, that he was not “lost” (another official story) but was was purposely there to meet the Al Hilli’s and possibly others. We do not know whether he was doing so at the direction of British or French Intelligence(or some other entity) or was known by them, but the confusion sewn by the French Authorities is certainly suggestive of something shady.
We can be pretty sure there was a meeting. We have absolutely no idea what it was about. However we have the well known confluences. Both had significant specialist skills in their respective areas of expertise. Both on a personal level, had recently lost fathers and had issues of estate. Both had unexplained anomalous employment situations. Both had political background and held fairly strident views re. particularly Zionism. Both were on a search for/in need of, money. Both had links with nuclear and defence industries. There may even be points of commonality as regards BB’s revelations of French neo-Nazi/metal workers’ union/ sadaam Hussein links.
Beyond this we may assume they would not have been natural bed-fellows. Was Mollier fluent in English or Hilli in French? Might Mollier resent foreigners in his homeland, particularly wealthy, capitalist, Iraqi ones? If meeting, who chose the location, who invited whom? Was it initiated by SAH, SM or a third party. If a third party, was this in fact the killers or some other?
Whatever we make of the above, we may conclude with some certainty that organs within the French State considered it sufficiently important to distance Mollier from events at Chevaline, that it was prepared to allow lies regarding the scene and what took place there, to be promulgated to and by the media, which by and large it has neither explained nor corrected!
In the light of the Ben Zygier incident this bit of recent news is not without its significance.
“Ms Gillard made history in June 2012 when she became the first Australian politician to sign a petition to demand a minute’s silence at the opening ceremony of the London Olympics in honour of the 11 Israeli athletes murdered at the 1972 Munich Games and showed outstanding leadership in supporting the grant of honorary Australian citizenship to Raoul Wallenberg, a hero in the fight to save Europe’s Jews from the Holocaust.
The Jerusalem Prize is proudly awarded by the Zionist Council of Victoria, the Zionist Federation of Australia and the World Zionist Federation to an outstanding individual who supports Israel, Jerusalem and the Zionist Movement.”
Ricki tarr et al:
http://www.mojtabaahmadi.com/en/
We`re also the official representative of UK BDS company and business cooperator of Resco Europe.
http://m.ibtimes.co.uk/iran-denies-cyber-war-commander-assassinated-511077.html
Those are tge two UK companies his iranian company was working for. (Renewable energy and welding for renewable energy solutions).
http://www.resco.org.uk/
http://www.bds-uk.com/
Bluebird 4 Oct, 2013 – 10:24 am
Please forget my post (see above) a few minutes ago. It was wrong! Sorry.
The below are Resco and BDS UK with/for whom the killed iranian had worked with tge iranian software company KIT..
http://www.resco.net/mobilecrm/partners.aspx
http://www.kitgroup.ir/fa/Default.aspx/
http://www.bds-solutions.co.uk/company_microsoft.php
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Yet more information that claims of ignorance regarding what was going on at Chevaline have to be pure bunkum. Any statement that suggests no progress has been made after a year of intensive investigation must be no not only untrue, but be intentionally to deceive. This is why Chevaline is important. It cuts to whether we can trust our justice system or not. Better they said they had to lie to protect national security than pretend a police investigation was genuine when it wasn’t.
“To get a rough version of this knowledge, a state once had to bug phones manually, break into houses and intercept letters, and deploy teams of trained watchers to follow your whereabouts. Even then it was a rough and approximate process, vulnerable to all sorts of human error and countermeasures. It can now have something much better than that, a historically unprecedented panoply of surveillance, which it can deploy in a matter of seconds.
This process is not without supervision, of course. In order to target you via one of these “selectors” – that’s the technical term – the agent of the state will have to type into a box on his or her computer screen a Miranda number, to show that the process is taking place in response to a specific request for information, and will also need to select a justification under the Human Rights Act. That last isn’t too arduous, because the agent can choose the justification from a drop-down menu. This is the way we live now.”
from: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/03/edward-snowden-files-john-lanchester?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2&et_cid=51547&et_rid=8235966&Linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.theguardian.com%2fworld%2f2013%2foct%2f03%2fedward-snowden-files-john-lanchester
“It’s worth taking a moment to ask how helpful the publication of information about this is to the bad guys. (Girls too. But mainly guys.)
The answer is evident, I think, in the under-remarked fact that Osama bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad didn’t even have a telephone line running into it. In other words he not only didn’t use the net, computers or phones in any way at all, ever, he was suspicious of the actual physical apparatus itself.
This means that the bad guys know very well that they have to be careful. (It should also be noted that the absence of any electronic footprint at the Abbottabad compound was – as depicted in the movie Zero Dark Thirty – a sign to the spies that something fishy was afoot. Nobody innocent has no electronic footprint.)
Some of the jihadi materials I read in the GCHQ documents make it clear that the terrorists are very well aware of these issues. There is a stinging jeer in one jihadi text, apropos a Swedish documentary that made clear certain bugging capabilities in Ericsson’s mobile phones: “It is customary in the Scandinavian countries to publish such helpful materials.””
SAH was a computer specialist. It goes some way towards explaining the Chevaline location maybe?
“So in some sense, perhaps it’s true that everybody knew. This would be analogous to the manner in which we all know surveillance is pervasive in police work, and yet police methods are by law forbidden from being used in evidence, or indeed even mentioned in court. The ban on mentioning police surveillance is there because they don’t want us to realise how much of it there is. We all know that, and yet it doesn’t seem to matter much. Perhaps the GCHQ stuff was the same?”
“A former British citizen developed deadly chemical weapons for extremists who murdered dozens of people in the attack on the Kenyan shopping mall, it has been alleged.
Madhi Hashi, was born in Somalia, but then raised in Camden, north London from the age of six, becoming a British citizen when he turned 17.
Now aged just 24, he had his citizenship revoked by Theresa May last year, as he sits awaiting trial in New York on terror charges.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/05/madhi-hashi-al-shabab_n_4047993.html
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Affairs-Britains-Collusion-Radical/dp/1846687640
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/04/glenn-greenwald-kirsty-wark_n_4043667.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
New applications for space surveillance not all bad? Nowhere to hide on land or sea?
http://www.cornishman.co.uk/Tanker-spied-space-polluting-seas-Cornwall/story-19889142-detail/story.html?ito=email_newsletter_thecornishman
MI6 north African top spy (who had the job to eliminate Gadaffi and who tried so since 1996) was arrested today. Anas al Libi was on the most wanted list of the USA terror suspects while he was living in Manchester until 2000.
Leaked document code: CX95/ 53452
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2000/feb/14/politicalnews.politics
This is not off topic. It shows that MI6 is getting rid of their Arab top spies soon after tgeir job was finished. Probably there is a permanent danger of whistleblowing with Arabs after their job is done and their money support from MI6 stops.
Could we compare Saad starting ranting and becoming unhappy and in money problems soon after funding from MI6 stopped simply because his job was done?
What job for MI6 could he have done that was finished approx. 1 year before he died?
Here’s another bang up to date:
“The Sunday statement came a day after U.S special forces captured Nazih Abdul-Hamed al-Ruqai, known by his alias Anas al-Libi, in a raid. Al-Libi is on the FBI’s most-wanted list with a $5 million bounty on his head.”
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_LIBYA_MILITANT_NABBED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
FROM WIKI:
“His aliases in the indictment are Nazih al Raghie and Anas al Sebai. In the FBI and United States State Department wanted posters,[5][6] another variant of his name is transliterated Nazih Abdul Hamed Al-Raghie.
The indictment accuses al-Liby of surveillance of potential British, French, and Israeli targets in Nairobi, in addition to the American embassy in that city, as part of a conspiracy by al-Qaeda and Egyptian Islamic Jihad.”
“Believed to have been tied to al-Qaeda since its 1994 roots in the Sudan,[7] al-Liby had lived in the United Kingdom, where he was granted political asylum. In 1999, al-Liby was arrested by Scotland Yard and interrogated. However, he was released because he had cleared his hard drive and no evidence could be found to hold him. He evaded a team that was sent to follow him and has not been seen since.”
“A February 2007 Human Rights Watch document[15] claims that al-Liby and others “may have once been held” in secret detention by the CIA.
On June 6, 2007, al-Liby was listed as a possible CIA “Secret Prisoner” by Amnesty International, without giving any reason or evidence, and despite the fact he remains on the FBI Most Wanted Terrorists list as of the published date (June 6, 2007).[16]
In September 2012, CNN reported that al-Liby returned to Libya after hiding in Iran for almost a decade.”
“Hiding in Iran”. Oh yes – classic double agent material. In the hands of BOTH CIA and MI6 at different times and straight back to the “fray”. “Abducted” or “rescued”? At one time in Canada obtaining nuclear materials but author forced to withdraw as unsubstantiated.
I am sure you will not have missed that return date from Iran.
Al-Liby was arrested in Tripoli, Libya on 5 October 2013 by United States Special Forces, reportedly from the United States Army Special Forces Operational Detachment – DELTA aka Delta Force with the assistance of FBI agents and CIA officers. He was arrested in broad daylight and removed from Libya. Navy SEALs conducted a simultaneous raid in Somalia targeting the alleged mastermind of the Westgate shopping mall shooting in Kenya, possibly to avoid either action sending the other target into hiding.[18]
Some pretty extraordinary claims of political killings and BND here. True or false – you decide. Your opinion would be valued BB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhU1xYPYI8I
“GO2”. BND. Assassination. “There’s always a back-up team”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aRhwgQrW1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffVDWlMWqww
“It’s the Germans stupid”.
Kelly murdered by DGSE – cLAIM.
“Apparently at ease to discuss these explosive disclosures, Shrimpton explained that there was advance knowledge of Kelly’s death in Whitehall, but that the deed itself was most likely carried out by the French external security organisation, DGSE. There was no indication that anybody in MI5 or MI6 had been involved. He went further by suggesting that the hit squad itself was composed of Iraqis from the former regime’s Mukhabarat intelligence organisation, recruited from Damascus with the help of Syria’s own intelligence apparatus. They were apparently then flown into Corsica, seven days prior to the murder. He doubts that any of the hit-squad are still alive.”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/022304kellywasmurdered.html