The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
James, heh – that sounds like a security clearance category they probably wouldn’t trust me with!
“But guv’nor, I got an honest face, see?” (me points for the benefit of spooky types)
Ferret.
Thanks for understanding it. It’s my job..and I don’ get paid for writing here.
Going to my questions at 10.06 and 10.09 ? regards your comments.
What do you think ?
@ James
Thanks for the link but unfortunately I’ve got no sound at the moment.
@Jon…
It’s sounds more like…. it’s no fun waiting at “Mad Cow” for your visa…in minus 10, with no APU on !
@ kempe
The ATK Gary Aked states on Linkedin is his employer employs over 10,000 people (stated on Linkedin) – I rather think this excludes a local paving company, don’t you?
@Jon
..and what does the “MODDAR” do when “Ander666” turns on the CapLocks !!
One reason for refurbishing cars is to weld in voids or compartments for smuggling stuff. The color separation pics of SAH’s BMW show it had been repainted, particularly the hood / bonnet.
@all
I am quite willing to slap the BAALLZ or GONADZ ™
Of those transgressors- YOU KNOYBHOW YOUVARE!
The other thing is.
Mrs saad was “studying” to be a dentist.
I understand she was already one in Dubaishire.
So that would be “a conversion” maybe ? Or an “update” ?
So she had never worked in the U.K. since she came to the U.K.
Apologies for fake Chinese iPhone Walmart SPELLINK – online get it for 11.09 plus 199.98 del
@ James 11.09
She was training at a dentist in Baker Street.
My theory is beautiful in its simplicity.
It works 3 ways .,,
1. Mossad Kidon Team of 4 have a clue
2. SIS Extractiom team of 1 no clue at all
3. FAIRYTALE ™ covers both 1 and 2
I am 99.99 pc it is Mossaf
Extraction is a possibility, but so badly executed, backfires.
@Peter
You are wrong – Mossad do, in fact, use 7.65mm in their Kidon “kill” teams, as previously stated, and here’s the evidence:
Beretta 7.65mm pistol with silencer
Italian Beretta pistols are often used by Mossad. The small Beretta is easy to conceal and can be loaded with reduced-charge cartridges in order to increase the effectiveness of the silencer. This adaptation of a Beretta Model 70 was issued to members of Mossad’s assassination teams (known as kidon).
Page 178, “The Ultimate Spy” by H Keith Melton, Pub Dorling Kindersley Ltd, 1 Oct 2009
Interestingly, on the previous page of the same book:
The French Secret Service
Formerly known as the SDECE, the French secret service was reconstituted in 1981 and called the DGSE.
[…]
Manurhin 7.65mm. This 7.65mm Manurhin pistol is a favourite weapon of the DGSE.
Now that’s interesting…
Re AMS 1087.
I see on webcheck that its original registered addres (changed in 2002) was 11 Devizes Road SN1 4BH. I may be wrong but this seems to be a flat.
Googling that address led me to a company called Access Management Systems Ltd, also registered at that Devizes Road address, or at some point. One of its directors is a James John Scharff. I think this company is dissolved now, can’t remember.
Anyway, another of James Scharff’s companies is Access Management Solutions Ltd. It specialises in security – mostly I think door locking solutions. It has a website if anyone wants to look.
James Scharff is also an accountant…not linked to AMS Accountancy at the same business park as AMS1087 that I can see, but there seems a common theme to make me wonder.
James is also down as a speaker at the “Counter Terror Expo 2013”.
Anyway, it could all be nothing but coincidence, but considering the AMS initials of this company, and them having links to that same Devizes Road address I thought it worth a mention.
Kathy…
“She was training at a dentist in Baker Street”
IS RUBBISH !
You just don’t “start” at a practice ….and train to be a dentist.
It is quite a hell of a course. Infact why do I bother.
You just check out how you do it !
Or pop down to your local dentist…and say “can I start training”.
Then watch him/her start laughing.
You seem to have no idea how life works, if you don’t mind me saying.
James
Training to pass her exams to convert her degree to a British one.
@ James
Do I have to spell everything out?
Kathy…
“She was training at a dentist in Baker Street”
Is incorrect. So yes… as I believe Anders has you pinned down.
You “state” bizarre things. Why I have no idea.
James
Well it is quite obvious that since she already has a degree in dentistry from Baghdad, it would be training to work in UK. You cannot get a degree by just working in a dentist.
Anders has never said a bad word about me. I think you are confusing me with Katie who he has said plenty about.
Anyway, I was just helpfully replying to your question. Wish I hadn’t bothered now.
Kathy
I ask
Mrs saad was “studying” to be a dentist.
I understand she was already one in Dubaishire.
So that would be “a conversion” maybe ? Or an “update” ?
So she had never worked in the U.K. since she came to the U.K
You answer
She was training at a dentist in Baker Street”
I say
You just don’t “start” at a practice ….and train to be a dentist.
You reply
Training to pass her exams to convert her degree to a British one.
And then you go on
Do I have to spell everything out?
Kathy…please ignore my post. I find you bizarre.
I have no idea “what” you are or how old you are…but please, don’t read my posts (it’s easier that way).
@Kathy with no sound
Here’s a transcript of most of it:
The first reporter (R1) is female, the second reporter (R2) is male. Postman is referred to below as PM. Third reporter (R3) is inaudible.
R1: So how long have they been living here as far as you’re concerned, cos you’ve been working here how long?
PM: I’ve been doing this round for about 7 years and I think he must’ve been living here for about 3, 4 years?
R1: OK. And it was him, and mother and wife, sorry excuse me
PM: Yeah wife, um, I think there was a wife in there I’m not quite 100% sure whether there was a wife in there but definitely him because he used to come out and say good morning and take his post
R2: Do you know when they left for their holiday, do you know?
PM: Um, I haven’t seen the caravan there for a couple of weeks now
R2: A couple of weeks?
PM: Yeah
R1: Oh so they had a caravan did they
PM: Yeah yeah
R1: So that was always parked in the drive?
PM: Yeah and the guy used to refurbish BMWs so he was always like going off in his BMWs to places and stuff so
R3: (inaudible)
PM: No, no they don’t very get really that much mail,
R1: No?
PM: … the occasional parcel, or occaional junk bit of mail, but that’s about it
Kathy…
“Well it is quite obvious that since she already has a degree in dentistry from Baghdad”
Now why is that odd ????
And where was the Mrs Saad from ????
You’re just a very odd fruit. You are now quoting somebody else…as a way of “reference” to you ! Odd indeed.
PM: … the occasional parcel, or occaional junk bit of mail, but that’s about it
So where was the rest of their mail going? Gas, electric, landline, mobile bills, council tax bills, credit card bills, birthday cards, doctor/hospital appointment cards/letts, solicitors letters, DVLA road tax renewal letters..etc etc
James
Don’t worry, I won’t reply to any more of your posts since you speak rubbish anyway.
Ferret
Thanks. Must get new speakers.
@Dopey
Things sometimes get stuck in the spam filter because of innocuous words that appear spam-related. Try posting that message in chunks?
Re AMS, perhaps James Scharff is the accountant who set up all those myriad AMS 1234 companies?
I suspect they’re all defence-related companies, hence the cover names – no one will ever guess from the name what’s going on under the hood, so to speak.
And tons of defence work goes on around Swindon, it’s not far from Salisbury Plain, after all… there must be a ton of contractors who need suitable cover companies, and perhaps some of them really trade too (eg AMS 1087).
Someone posted earlier (on the other thread I) that AMS stood for something else, though… what was it… Aerial something something. Is Access Management Solutions another take on the same acronym?
Dopey…
I would say “he wasn’t there” BUT he had to be there for at least three years.
So where are the gas bills ?
Where did the DVLA write to ?
Maybe that was the “limited mail” he got.
But the “postie” doesn’t look convinced that Mrs Saad was there ?
@James @Kathy
Slow down you two! What’s going on!?
James, you do speak in riddles, it’s hard to know what’s what – please take time to explain.
Kathy is OK, 100% kosher/halal so please don’t wind her up…
I think you just got your wires crossed.
And… did Mrs AH (AS) get her dentistry degree from Baghdad? I thought she was Iranian originally?
I understood she was converting her qualification so she could work in the UK, that seems to be what you are both saying too?
Ferret.
AMS is the acc firm.
AMS 1086, 1087, 1088, etc.
I’ll try and find the links I had to that (thru DueDil).
But you’d think they would have “given it a name” !
He came in later…after it had been trading awhile…but still no name !
Was it a business…or something that he did, that would raise less questions if it was the Co (1087) doing it ?
Not “money” but physically doing ?
@ Ferret
As I understand it from the various new reports, she was born in Iran but grew up in Iraq. There is some confusion about where she took her degree but there was one Iraqi dentist spoke out about how they both graduated in dentistry in Baghdad. Sorry, I don’t have the links.