The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ Olifant
Is there any evidence indicating that SAH was a subscriber to the Baha’i faith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahá'%C3%AD_Faith
(with headquarters in Haifa, Israel), or is this just a mix-up between the Ba’ath Party of Iraq and the Baha’i faith?
@Ferret – your work on this thread has been most interesting, but your attacking Dave and Katie is getting increasingly disruptive. Notwithstanding your (incorrect) view that I personally “don’t seem to mind people being here in bad faith”, the most disruption on this board is coming from you.
I have asked you to tone down the attacks many times, and I don’t know what more I can do to get you back on topic. Disagree by all means, but if most of your posts are attacks, then you are derailing.
And they are allowed to call my question “mindless speculation”???
And can be entirely hypocritical – defending their right to speculate on the one hand, while attacking mine???
Nothing to say about that?
Apparently not!
Well, carry on, Dave and Katie, apparently it’s only me and Anders who get muzzled around here…
😀
Ironically, the time machine line was brought up in this story about Lachlan Cranswick:
http://io9.com/lachlan-cranswick/
My goodness, how things repeat themselves. Fortunately, Cranswick had a page to deal with this situation, too.
http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/nanoshite/
Bluebird 3.24pm
Zaid lives in Chessington however he works at Burhill Golf Club
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=Burhill+Golf+Club,+Burwood+Road,+Walton-on-Thames&daddr=6+Snellings+Road,+Hersham&hl=en&ll=51.359187,-0.408297&spn=0.027709,0.084543&sll=51.36389,-0.407653&sspn=0.006618,0.019269&geocode=FaSUDwMdEaL5_yHZ6F7es4uShCn1GnVAeXV2SDHZ6F7es4uShA%3BFeXLDwMdC9r5_ylDgohLa3V2SDHB2M2qLa4OEw&oq=burhill+&mra=ls&t=m&z=14
Distance from Burhill G.C. to 6 Snellings Road, Hersham 1.9 miles
So, Iran now claims to have satellites with radar-evading coatings, or stealth technology. Those anti-radar coatings are applied with lasers. Stealth technology has obvious military uses.
SSTL, including employee Saad al-Hilli, built satellites for Com Dev. The latest SSTL satellite sent into space by the company had coatings supplied by Torr Scientific. This is a satellite that can see beneath the earth’s surface. The same company is connected to CERN via anti-hydrogen coatings.
Did the SSTL Earthview I satellite, or any other SSTL satellites have radar-evading coatings? Did SSTL build military satellites?
What are the apps. of anti-hydrogen and anti-hydrogen coatings? Think very hard.
@Q
The same company is connected to CERN via anti-hydrogen coatings
Erm, Q, where did you get “anti-hydrogen coatings” from?
Can’t find that anywhere in the links you posted.
Do you mean “anti-radar coatings”?
@ Felix 4 Oct, 2012 – 5:49 pm
Metaphorically speaking, and without any implied reference to the *Sir* Jimmy Savile case, I like my spectacles rose-tinted. Therefore, I simply cannot believe that a media-trained french prosecutor would willingly make such an ass of himself unless he had good reasons for doing so.
These reasons may well turn out to be wrong in the long run, but, at this point in time, the police will undoubtedly consider SAH’s brother the chief suspect. Apart from the well-publicized recent quarrel between the two brothers, UK crime statistics point that way, too, with all homicide victims being more likely to have been killed by somebody they knew than by a complete stranger, and with victims of “asian” extraction twice as likely to have been killed by a member of their own families – other than former partners or spouses – than “white” victims. This case is obviously somewhat different, since a hired gun would seem to have been involved, but Bluebird’s research has shown that members of the AH family were sufficiently well-connected to have hired somebody like that.
Those are the probabilities and statistics that the police will work with, and I am *fairly sure* that both the lack of real news in the media and the prosecutor’s apparently inane comments point into the same direction: They are waiting for Zaid AH to slip up, and/or for the hitman to get in touch to demand the second half of his payment.
“They are waiting for Zaid AH to slip up, and/or for the hitman to get in touch to demand the second half of his payment.”
It’s all too much of a stretch though, why were they all sat in a car up a hill for an hour?
Why as soon as Mollier lands does the shooting start?
The blame the brother thing is just lame.
You’re right, Ferret. The website doesn’t say how they trap the antihydrogen. It’s a leap on my part to assume that there is an antihydrogen coating.
Ferret,
I think is the time to tell you that ferret hunting season started today, your life appears to have been spared though being put on a leash and muzzling perhaps it would have been kinder just to dispatch you.
@Q
Ah, OK.
Well, from my somewhat limited knowledge of physics, I’d say they’d have to trap anti-hydrogen in a magnetic field because as soon as it comes into contact with regular matter the two will annihilate each other.
So I’d’ve thought an “anti-hydrogen coating” wouldn’t be possible. At least, not as we understand physics at the moment, that is.
Bluebird 3.24pm
Zaid lives in Chessington however he works at Burhill Golf Club
[Individual link removed to avoid 40 minutes+ moderation for only 1 link – see 6.48]
Distance from Burhill G.C. to 6 Snellings Road, Hersham 1.9 miles
@Straw
LOL
😀
Thank you
@ Dave Broker 4 Oct, 2012 – 7:18 pm
I agree. I was just trying to explain (to myself and others) why the prosecutor and the whole investigation team would follow the media strategy that they seem to be following, i. e., saying nothing, even though any potential witnesses’ memories must be fading by now.
“I agree. I was just trying to explain (to myself and others) why the prosecutor and the whole investigation team would follow the media strategy that they seem to be following, i. e., saying nothing, even though any potential witnesses’ memories must be fading by now.”
They just seem to be hoping everyone will forget about it.
French are up to their necks in something…
Does Hersham man realy deserve to be accused of anything?
Given there’s no eveidence of any sort linking him to Ziad or anything underhand.
Dave ,there’s the letter AH wrote to a friend…..about Zaid doing unhand things.
Adding this re: someone’s statement about time machines. I tried to post a link showing that the “time machine” line was brought up online with reference to Lachlan Cranswick. Same old, same old.
Dave Broker are you Dave Brooker’s evil twin, blood brothers or unrelated?
@ Peter
“with victims of “asian” extraction twice as likely to have been killed by a member of their own families – other than former partners or spouses – than “white” victims”
Could you provide a link please? That is a pretty sweeping statement considering Asia is a continent.
They just seem to be hoping everyone will forget about it.
They’ll keep the surveillance of the brother up for at least a year. If they haven’t found anything by then, they are likely to abadon active surveillance and just keep going over those “cold-case” files every few years.
@ Kathy
Sure: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/crime-justice/crime/violent-and-sexual-crime/index.html
and please do your own maths with the Excel-datasheets provided.
@ Peter
I haven’t got several hours to spare deciphering all that. Suffice to say, that in the British context, the term “Asian” refers to people from the Indian sub-continent so that would tell us nothing about the small Iraqi population in the UK.
“Dave ,there’s the letter AH wrote to a friend…..about Zaid doing unhand things.”
Selling zirconium in cahoots with some bloke from Hersham seems a bit far fetched though?
“are you Dave Brooker’s evil twin, blood brothers or unrelated?”
Never heard of him.
Dave.
I agree, we were led to believe that was in relationship to the will, but nothing actually pointed to it….. as far as I recall.
@Ferret:
I rely on Dan Brown novels and the Daily Mail rather than the Annals of Physics for my scientific knowledge. How does one create an antimatter bottle, anyways?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1394583/Scientists-bottle-mysterious-substance-antimatter-used-weapon-mass-destruction-Dan-Brown-novels.html
I’ve also been trying to understand the relationship between TGFs and antimatter produced in lightning:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_gamma-ray_flash
I guess it’s better left to the new generations of Teslas.