The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
“Good in Parts”
Since this was a still photo it might have been released by police as an original.
But still, if reconstructed, why the burns on his right hand?
Why would you reconstruct a photo of a shot victim with visible burns on his right hand?
This is no zombie movie but a documentary.
Wasnt somebody in contact with the journalist who produced for BBC?
The burns on his right open hand are confusing and make no sense unless this was an original depiction.
The burns make sense because those support our theory that there was a deliberate meeting and probably a heated discussion and probably a fight before the victims were shot. The killer didnt come from nowhere and his first shot wasnt from a distance but happened during a fight from close distance (probably even missed or – not unlogic- saad appeared to move the gun towards his attacker and shot his attacker first (resulting his burns on his inner hand). Then we could imagine my theory that SM was the first assassin.
You dont produce a documentary with zombie pictures. You try to produce a documentary due to the documents you receive by police and if you get an original photo then you use it.
They didnt depict saad with a rope around his neck either.
So then, why did they depict the gun burns on his right hand?
Panorama, Eric:
“It appears that SM was lost and that he did bike there simply because he didnt know where to go”
This guy was living there for more than 40 years and cycling everyday. I am sure that he knew every street and every cycling track between geneva and grenoble!
He wasnt lost. This is the most stupid lie he could ever publish. Either Eric is totally stupid or he believes that the people are stupid enough to believe his lies.
And then compare WBM’s first interview and the interview he gave to Panorama.
In at least one of the two interviews he lied.
And then ZAH: He lied everytime while opening his mouth. There were plenty of contradictions in his replies.
This is setup cover up with a script of stupid lies. And their script errors are being updated with new lies.
Katie 8:35 am
This could be cause by western intelligence working for iraqi interests, too.
Saad or his father might have had inconvenient information and proof for such information.
Such information becoming public might have been inconvenient for iraqi mafia bosses who were working for MI6 and french intelligence.
The heated discussion at the camping ground might have been a last warning to hand out the proof. Saad was stubborn and they decided to kill him.
ZAH might have been the whistleblower causing the state sponsored assassination.
Mathews and WBM are part of the cover up script. Their history and their families are way too close to the 5 eyes.
The al Allaf family were heading the UNO human rights organisation. When you search ypu will still find 5 al Allafs working for UNO human rights and for other international human rights organisations.
I have no doubts at all that mrs. Al allaf was invited to speak at this UNO conference in geneva.
Eric has to know this, too, or he is even more stupid than originally expected that he is. He looks like a clown in the panorama interview.
BB.
I agree WBM does not sound credible to me at all, as I said, would any of us go to move bodies before checking why that car was revving, why did he not act normally & be afraid of the car driving into him ?
Why do the authorities insist on calling him ex RAF not ex pilot ?
Zaid,is deflecting the crime onto Mollier because he knows/suspects who is to blame………this could be through fear rather than cynical deception.
You could be right about the mother speaking at the conference,is that what pushed Saad to think about using the event for his own purpose ?
Iraqi mafia …….they are precisely who I’m talking about, but it goes way beyond the UK.
Last year a $4 billion Russian arms to Iraq contract was signed ,……..where did Saddam’s arms dealer Mr X figure in that ?
“The first supplies of Russian weapons to Iraq will start before the beginning of the summer, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said in an interview with Voice of Russia radio.
The supplies were initially expected to resume in early 2013, but there was a delay.
“There was a delay because there needs to be pre-payment and guarantees of full payment in order for the supplies to begin. And the Iraqi parliament has still not approved the budget for 2013.
A lot of money is written in the budget for these contracts,” Zebari said.”
http://rbth.co.uk/news/2013/03/04/russia_will_begin_supplying_weapons_to_iraq_in_spring_-_iraqi_foreign_mi_23491.html
I wonder if anyone has thought about who entered that caravan when the family went off for their drive ?
Everything dies around lunchtime in France someone could easily have entered,searched, planted or taken things from it. Did the police force entry or did they find it unlocked ?
Saad was wise to take important papers with him,this could be the reason that he did & for no other reason but security knowing the chap he argued with was around.
Not sure about Mathews,BB, he certainly wants us to believe Saad was angry.
It should be easy to verify whether she is known in UN circles.
ZAH definitely is involved somehow.
Yes, he is in fear and he was afraid of telling something wrong.
He is/was part of the script but now he fears that he could be the lamb being slaughtered for a cover up. The french have decided to slaughter him because he’s not their man.
ZAH is still hoping that the british guys, whom he helped by being their supposed whistleblower, will protect him and help him to escape from being the slaughtered lamb.
Time will tell.
ZAH’s answers were contradictory and he was afraid of telling the truth about Saad, about his father and about the al hilli/shabaan family.
WBM lied in at least one of the two interviews.
Katie: i said “mafia”.
That does not exclude british, russian, israeli or iraqi mafia.
It does not exclude state intelligence either.
Everything is possible.
I am still wondering about the burns in saad’s open right hand.
That is a contradiction to the story what panorama/bbc had told us.
Even if that photo was setup, why would they setup a contradictory image?
If BBC were trying to be funny, why not depicting dead saad with a rope around his neck?
Sorensen
Mrs al allaf’s history and life had been deleted from the internet.
We would actually have to find an UNO whistleblower.
Could somebody please produce a jpg of the 23:13 panorama and upload that still image?
Sorensen?
I would like to compare those burns with other internet photos of hands of victims holding the front part of a gun while it was shooting.
“Has links to British intelligence, through the former senior MI6 officer Anthony Cavendish (Le Cercle), who acts as a consultant to Auchi’s business empire. Served on an advisory committee to the Institute for Social and Economic Policy in the Middle East at Harvard�s Kennedy School of Government 1996-2000.”
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?1221-Nadhmi-Auchi#.Um44Y6Uw3og
I have just seen the video at 23:16. It shows a man in a white shirt with a gunshot through his hand [supposedly he got it when he tried to fend for himself]. It is obviously part of the reconstruction. And elsewhere in the film there is footage with the forensic team around car, and that sequence is clearly marked with the words “Reconstruction”.
Bluebird wrote:
You could write to some of her colleagues and ask them if she is well known in the system.
Swiss prosecutor…. too flippant & not truthful.
Earlier in the clip it says this type of gun is plentiful & can be bought easily for 1500 dollars/euros.
Iraqi agents …in Switzerland…. buy an old ACCURATE Swiss gun easily available…..no doubt dumped afterwards .
These Iraqis attending conference,could be residents of France or somewhere els in Europe…..like the UK.
BB, that wound would be easily explained, the first thing we do to defend ourselves is try to cover our eyes & face, the raised arm usually has the palm facing out.
Katie
The wound does not look like a bullet wound.
It looks like a burn wound.
That is why i would like to discuss and compare a still image.
Yes, of course there were a lot of iraqis in geneva attending not only from iraq bit also exiles from uk, france, sweden, switzerland etc.
There are no doubts that e.g. maliki and barzani had their private securities, too.
It took them to obtain a swiss gun in switzerland and to arrange a meeting with saad (or with al allaf) in le martinet. Of course they had to involve french and british secret service for protection and cover up of the assassination, too.
Perhaps saad was just the driver and it was in fact al allaf whom they wanted to kill.
But why the meeting in le martinet?
Were saad and iqbal proposed to receive french or iraqi false passports and new identities? The meeting was a false flag for them to go there? No idea.
Whatever this was, we should collect more info regarding that human rights conference that turned out to blame the british and the american inhuman iraq actions.
BB.
The location is now the mystery, why in such a remote place ?
Well, the two assassins were already there higher up the hill, so, the meeting was arranged with Saad & location chosen by WBM .
As WBM [ agent] is a local & knows the terrain,he advised the assassins of this locale.
The meeting place is too remote to be accidental or found by strangers & clearly Saad was not tailed.
Re : that hand wound.
Frankly BB, I feel it’s pointless inspecting & discussing the work of a make up artist, whom I’m sure could only have taken an image from a photo.
I reckon that’s your best post to date
Kenneth Sorensen
28 Oct, 2013 – 6:40 am and I am pretty much in agreement with your assessment too!
Tim V
28 Oct, 2013 – 12:15 pm
“I reckon that’s your best post to date
Kenneth Sorensen
28 Oct, 2013 – 6:40 am and I am pretty much in agreement with your assessment too!”
So you think this man AND HIS FAMILY…… none of whom had security clearance was a target for the Israelis ?
That because he had a bank of computers…forgetting he was a designer…that incriminates him ?
If he was such a brain box why did he live in a shabby house he had not paid for,drive an old car & take cheap holidays ?
All I can say then is if there were incriminating conversations on his computer, Sorenson better watch his back for all he’s said about Mossad & Israel.
One of the first steps in a police murder investigation is to establish the MO and see if it matches previous murders and/or murderers. In this case there is virtually nothing concrete to link Israel or any other State or proxy to it but paradoxically that has always convinced me there has been French complicity in the act. It is simply not believable that a huge dedicated team of detectives on both sides of the Channel with access to the most sophisticated forensic and communication facilities available, have not after over a year of intensive investigation, turned up a grain of evidence, particularly post Snowden. This is positively confirmed by the lies, intentional misinterpretation and false trails put out by the French (not to mention the incompetent bungling). The relative silence of the British, high level involvement from first instance, subtle seeding of contradictory elements to the story, protection of the remainder of the family including chief suspect with quite extraordinary measures, active obstruction of the French in getting access, all point to this being under-cover operation with state involvement. The opportunity afforded by the year anniversary was completely wasted from every point of view and could have been bettered by a team of sixth formers. Now we have official leaks that mistrust and antagonism exists between the two teams confirming every interpretation that Marlin and I have placed on the relationship. Let me think, despite all the indicators, Maillaud tried at different times to persuade us that this was a drug deal gone wrong, bandits, a lone gunman, a mad gun man, no second vehicle, SM unconnected to it, ZAH behind the murder, no description of the “motor cyclist”, inaccurate name of PD/B, no mention of the OAP cyclist also apparent on scene, with-holding of at least one forestry team and their accounts, the initial lie about the telephone call, etc etc etc. What more CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence do you require for STATE involvement and cover-up? Now as to Israel, do I need to list all the circumstantial evidence of their involvement? It is MASSIVE not least that they have a proven track record of this sort of thing, to these sort of people (Iraqi/Palestinian supporters/hezbollah/Shia/Iran) as recently as 2010. The event takes place on the very fortieth anniversary of the Munich Olympics Massacre following which Golda Meir launched Operation Wrath of God and this just happens to take place in “Combe d’Ire (Wrath)”? Oh come on, how much more circumstantial do we need to point the finger of suspicion. As with Gareth Williams, a claimed total absence of biological or other evidence at the scene, and absence of any trace of vehicles or people is sure sign of a professional job. No concrete evidence of Israeli involvement that WE know of. That is not the same as saying there is none.
Hmmmm …
Classified document
Perhaps we shall consider that, too, as a good reason for government cover up and state involvement ….
In particular consider this:
Allaf is committed to building a lasting peace with Israel,
Under his tenure there was a notable increase in the quality and quantity of intelligence provided to the United States ….
http://dazzlepod.com/cable/07AMMAN2615/
.O. 12958: DECL: 06/19/2017 TAGS: SUBJECT: JORDAN TO NAME RETIRED GENERAL MUHAMMAD AL-ALLAF AS ITS NEW U.N. PERMANENT REPRESENTATIVE Classified By: Ambassador David Hale for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d) 1. (C/NF) Foreign Minister Khatib informed Ambassador in confidence on June 17 that retired Major General Muhammad al-Allaf will be named Jordan’s new Permanent Representative to the United Nations in New York. This appointment has not been made public; please protect accordingly. 2. (C/NF) Allaf is well-known to Ambassador and emboffs from his tenure as Commandant of Jordan’s National Defense College and his work on Jordan’s Strategic Defense Review, as well as his time leading Jordan’s DMI. Allaf is an intelligent and engaging interlocutor, and will prove to be a reliable conveyor of GoJ positions in New York. 3. (SBU) Biographic information follows: (SBU) Muhammad Fahd AL-ALLAF is a Jordanian Muslim and was born on November 26, 1950. He is married to Hana Awad, born in 1961 in Amman. He has three sons: Fahd (1978); Islam (1985-born in the United States); and Bader (1987); and two daughters: Salem (1980) and Al’a (1983). (SBU) EDUCATION: 1980 – U.S. Infantry School, Ft. Benning, GA. 1983 – Mu’tah University, Jordan, Bachelor’s Degree in Military Science. 1984-85 – U.S. Army Command and General Staff College, Fort Leavenworth, KS. 1997 – Mu’tah University, Jordan; Master’s Degree in Management and Military Science. 2001 – National Defense University, Washington D.C.; Master’s Degree in National Security Strategy. (C/NF) CAREER: During the first half of 1999, MG Allaf concurrently held the positions of acting director of the Directorate of Military Intelligence and director of the U.S. Cooperative Defense Initiative and Consequence Management. He was significantly more supportive of the U.S.-Jordan intelligence exchange relationship than his predecessors. Under his tenure there was a notable increase in the quality and quantity of intelligence provided to the United States. MG Allaf oversaw Jordan’s strategic defense review from 2004 to 2006 while Commandant of the Royal Jordanian National Defense College. (SBU) MG Allaf retired on April 30, 2007 after serving most recently as Director of Strategic Planning. (C/NF) According to DATT reporting, Allaf is committed to building a lasting peace with Israel, but not at the expense of Jordanian ties with Arab states. Allaf is well liked by his U.S. military counterparts. He is described as highly intellectual, engaging and humble with a good sense of humor. He speaks excellent English. (SBU) CAREER HIGHLIGHTS: 1970 – Commissioned in the Jordan Armed Forces. 1980 – Operations Officer, Hussein Brigade (Royal Guards). 1982 – Psychological Warfare Course, “Fu Shin Kung”, Taiwan. 1989-1991 – Deputy Operations Officer, UN Angola Verification Mission (UNAVEM). 1991-93 – Chief of Staff, mechanized infantry brigade. 1993-95 – Operations Officer, 12th Mechanized Infantry Division. 1996 – Royal Jordanian War College Course. 1996-97 – Staff officer, Directorate of Office Affairs. 1997-98 – Chief of Information Department, Directorate of Military Intelligence. 1999 – Acting Director, Directorate of Military Intelligence (January). 1999 – Director of Planning and Organization (July). 2001 – Chief of the Directing Staff, Royal Jordanian War College. 2002 – Commandant, Royal Jordanian War College. 2003 – Commandant, Royal Jordanian National Defense College. 2006 – Director of Strategic Planning, Assistant Chief of Staff for Planning 2007 – Retired on April 30 Visit Amman’s Classified Web Site at http://www.state.sgov.gov/p/nea/amman/
And thats the official UNO press release:
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2007/bio3897.doc.htm
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Mohammed-Al-Allaf/1274374089
Here’s a more detailed link regarding that conference. Perhaps tge killer (s) are shown in that video?
Perhaps the camping guys can identify one guy in this video who had that heated argument with saad?
Most of the conference participants can be identified in that video.
Eric, start working!
Here’s a link to a short film below that shows the chaos inside the conference hall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTiu8kHP344
http://www.globalresearch.ca/boycott-and-chaos-at-the-united-nations-in-geneva-who-committed-war-crimes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3w0rwapBw4
This is another video from this geneva conference showing more faces and more chaos.
Is the killer one of them?
At http://www.globalresearch.ca/boycott-and-chaos-at-the-united-nations-in-geneva-who-committed-war-crimes:
“Report prepared by an Iraqi colleague who attended the conference
Swiss Police intervened to end the conference after chaos erupted.
p>The conference was held in one of the side halls of the Palais des Nations (European headquarters of the United Nations) in Geneva, with a total boycott by diplomatic corps and non-governmental organizations.The conference lasted 4 hours and was attended by Iraqis, Arabs and Kurds. Most of them came with the four Iraqi Ministers and others who live in Switzerland. The preparation and the planning of the conference took a long time and a huge amount of money was spent, money that could have been better spent to ease the Iraqi people’s poverty and ameliorate the basic social services. A special committee for strategic planning was set up to advertise the event. The Under Secretary of the Iraqi Ministry of Human Rights, along with a large delegation was sent to Geneva 20 days prior to the conference. The whole diplomatic corps, media and journalists were invited. According to the government announcements, the goal of the conference was to issue international resolutions against the former Baath regime. But in fact, their actual aim was to conceal their own unspeakable crimes against the human rights of the Iraqi people.
On the other hand, however, intensive attempts were made by NGO’s to bring this conference to a halt. The attempt succeeded and the conference turned into an occasion to reveal the violations and the crimes committed by the occupiers and the current government since the invasion of 2003.
In a letter, signed by almost three hundred NGO’s and addressed to the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, all diplomatic missions and journalists condemned this conference. The letter asked the High Commissioner to focus on the violations and the crimes that took place since the invasion and called for a special rapporteur for human rights in Iraq. Then, these NGOs, issued a press release in the Human Rights Council expressing their views and demands (see below).
Eventually, there was not one diplomat who attended the conference, not one member of the civil society and there were no journalists.
One representative from the Office of the High Commissioner attended the opening of the conference. She delivered an oral statement, reminding the delegation of the current violations, especially the executions campaign, and she left the meeting immediately after her intervention.
The conference turned out to be a real disaster. At the beginning, the Al Maliki delegates and the Barzani ones got engaged in arguments and claims as to who was heading the conference and whose initiative it was.
The arguments among the Iraqi delegates continued, stronger words were used, and finally the United Nations police was forced to intervene and urged the attendees to leave the hall. The lights were shut off when the delegates (among them the ministers) ignored the order. They had to leave eventually. The conference failed despite of the claims from the government that it was a success. Worse than that, their press conference was as shameful as the conference was.
Needless to say this was rather a rare incident and a violation of protocol rules. The interference by the police was needed to stop the heated arguments that arose between the organizers and the attendees, as some of them were asking about the current violations, other arguments started over allocations of money to a number of participants…. Another Iraqi scandal at the United Nations.
Here’s a link to a short film below that shows the chaos inside the conference hall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTiu8kHP344“
“300 NGO’s urge the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights to focus on Human Rights situation in Iraq after 2003
Press release
Why is the Iraqi Government talking about past Human Rights violations while Ignoring the current ones?
This question was put before the UN High Commissioner for Human rights by almost 300 NGOs from around the world regarding the meeting organized by the Government of Iraq on 19 September 2012 at the Palais des Nations/ Geneva, about “The crimes of the previous regime in Iraq”. The NGO’s believe that the conference is merely an attempt to divert attention from the ongoing human rights violations in Iraq. We urge all of you to distance yourselves from participating in this meeting.
It is a well-known fact that the human rights situation under the former regime in Iraq was examined by the UN Commission of Human Rights. As a result, dozens of UN resolutions were adopted, condemning the previous government of Iraq. Then, after 2003, members of that government were executed by the current Iraqi authorities; compensation was paid to the alleged victims of the violations that happened before 2003, among other measures. For these reasons, the signed NGOs are questioning the motivation behind such an event. Also, what effect might it have on the victims of the current violations?
Since 2003, widespread and serious human rights violations have taken place in Iraq on a daily basis. Those violations have been committed by the US forces and the current Iraqi authorities. NGO’s have repeatedly appealed to the Human Rights Council to put the human rights situation in Iraq on the agenda of the Council. They continue to urge the Human Rights Council to not ignore the serious and deteriorating human rights situation in Iraq.
The High Commissioner has expressed concern about the widespread and unjust trials and summary executions—two of the most serious violations of international human rights law—that regularly take place in Iraq. The UN Mission in Iraq (UNAMI) has also repeatedly reported the widespread violations of numerous human rights by the Iraqi authorities as well as others in Iraq.
The participation of the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights in the meeting of 19 September 2012 will be widely perceived as not paying the required attention to the current violations of human rights in Iraq as the meeting may intentionally try to cover these violations and mislead the public on the humanitarian tragedy In Iraq. We regret that this will be the apparent message sent to so many civil society actors in Iraq and across the Middle East and around the world who are aware of this event and strongly condemn it.
We appeal to you to reconsider your involvement in this event and to instead, consider drawing attention to the ongoing human rights violations in Iraq. We also hope that you will support the numerous civil society actors from the region in their efforts to create awareness in the Human Rights Council of the human rights tragedy in Iraq today.
The Iraqi Ministry of Human Rights denied the reports over the failure of the conference held by the Ministry, on last Wednesday/Sept/19 in Geneva to acquaint the international community with the crimes of the Iraqi former regime.(1)
The article states:
“The MoHR assured in a statement that “A certain media outlet reported that the Conference held in the Swiss capital, Geneva which was devoted to circulate the crimes of the former regimes, has failed,” noting that “These reports said that some Iraqi persons entered the Conference hall and caused chaos prompting the Swiss police to intervene and end the conference session.”
“The statement added “The success of the conference incensed the enemies of Iraq especially the remnants of the former regime of Ba’ath Party, thus they resorted to use this cheap media outlet to fabricate such groundless story.”
“It is worth to mention that the works of the Second Conference of circulating the former regime’s crimes started, on last Wednesday, Sept,19th in Geneva with attendance of the Iraqi Minister of Human Rights, Mohamed Shya al-Sudani, besides other Iraqi officials.”
“Some media outlets have reported the failure of the conference due to a mess that happened while holding the conference.”
Comment
It is obvious that the Minister has attended the conference. Actually he was the chairman of the conference. But they can’t say who also attended the conference, because this is the real failure: no other country was present! In the article they used a photograph were the name of Turkey appears, to give the impression that Turkey participated in the conference.
Our Iraqi source asks the following questions:
1- Can the Ministry name two countries that attended the conference??
2- Can the Ministry name more than 2 NGO’s that attended the conference?
3- Can the Ministry name more than 3 journalists who participated in the press conference?
4- Can the Ministry name 3 non-Iraqi who attended their INTERNATIONAL conference???
Those who attended the conference are the delegations which came from Baghdad, and Kurdistan with their friends and relatives, few Iraqi (Kurds and Arab) from Switzerland….Where is the success???
Conclusion
The official international UN Human Rights Bodies, the Western politicians and the mainstream media may have betrayed and forgotten the Iraqi people, millions of people and thousands of NGO’s around the world have not! And as you can conclude from this action, there is always hope and positive results can be achieved, when united we keep on defending the rightful demands and aspirations of the Iraqi people. Next year will be the tenth “anniversary” of the invasion. Let’s organize political and cultural events, protest actions, lobbying campaigns and conferences…. Let them know we still haven’t digested this illegal imperial invasion and brutal occupation of the sovereign Republic of Iraq, that we have not forgotten the Iraqi people. The central slogan should be “Accountability for Iraq and Restoring Justice”.
Dirk Adriaensens is coordinator of SOS Iraq and member of the executive committee of the BRussells Tribunal. Between 1992 and 2003 he led several delegations to Iraq to observe the devastating effects of UN imposed sanctions. He was a member of the International Organizing Committee of the World Tribunal on Iraq (2003-2005). He is also co-coordinator of the Global Campaign Against the Assassination of Iraqi Academics. He is co-author of Rendez-Vous in Baghdad, EPO (1994), Cultural Cleansing in Iraq, Pluto Press, London (2010), Beyond Educide, Academia Press, Ghent (2012), and is a frequent contributor to GlobalResearch, Truthout, The International Journal of Contemporary Iraqi Studies and other media.
Notes
(1) Iraqi Human Rights denies reports over failure of Geneva Conference
http://www.iraqinews.com/features/iraqi-human-rights-denies-reports-over-failure-of-geneva-conference/“
Biography
Mohammed Ali Alhakim English Picture
H.E. Ambassador Mohamed Ali Alhakim
Permanent Representative of Iraq
to the United Nations-New York
Political Positions
Deputy Secretary General of Iraq Governing Council 2003- 2004.
Appointed as Ambassador at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Iraq, 2004.
Nominated as Deputy Secretary General of the Arab League for Political Affairs,2004
Minister of Telecommunications in the Iraqi transitional Government (Dr. Iyad Alawi PM), 2004-2005.
Acted Minister of Finance of Iraq while Minister of Finance negotiated Iraq’s debt relief with Paris Club, IMF, and world bank, 2004-2005.
Elected to the Iraqi National Assembly and served as member of its “Foreign Relations” subcommittee. Represented INA at several International Conferences, 2005-2006.
Served as a Senior Political and Economic Advisor to Vice President of Iraq Adel Abdel Mahdi (2004-2010).
Born in Najaf, Iraq, July-1952
Primary, Secondary, and High school, Baghdad
BA in Education & statistics, Baghdad
MS in Information Technology, England
Doctorate in Management, USA
Taught graduate and undergraduate courses in management and Technology, USA, 1980-1988.
Served as a consultant and a worldwide director at several International Business and Technology companies, 1986-2003
http://www.mofamission.gov.iq/usan/en/pagedisplay.aspx?sm=300
I suggest to contact Dirk Adriaensens.
Why?
Simply he knows alot about the conference and he might know something regarding Suhaila al Allaf or about the al Hilli family what we do not know. His writings sound like the already described “Saad al hilli forum rants”.
http://www.academia.edu/4491940/Iraq_Criminal_Neglect_of_the_International_Community
Just as a sidenote:
Carine al Allaf’s speech regarding the “Arab woman”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRqMRwRKX8
Apologies BB if I have repeated any of your stuff but I was starting from the previous page. The point of this as far as I can see is first that the Sept 19 Geneva “Conference” got virtually NO publicity at all in ANY western outlet. Certainly none come up when you Google it so I wait to be corrected. Isn’t this a tiny bit surprising? I know our newsmedia is obsessed largely with TRIVIA (BBC Newsnight tonight: the size of a compensation settlement of a social worker; some highly dubious footage of Iranians in Syria; death of a 71 year old pop star whilst the main news dominated by bad weather) but you might have expected a few column inches in the Times at least?
So the question that must be asked, was it deliberately ignored or just overlooked as not being newsworthy? As it happens the dominant story at the time was arguably a certain group murder in SE France yet no-one saw any possible connection between the two events, even if only co-incidence? (Yet another!) On the other hand some might see a murder of this kind might well take the spotlight away from an event somewhere else. I don’t say this is a strong case but it’s not impossible.
More significant is the fact (as BB pointed out) the arrival date of delegates exactly matches SAH arrival date at Annecy and a conference that tried to focus on human rights violations by the existing power structure and invading forces was sabotaged by someone and broke up in chaos fifteen days after the murders. Anyway why go to Geneva if it was to be boycotted by all apart from Iraqis themselves – well a few contiguous countries perhaps? OK so it’s an UN regional office with a long history of diplomatic meeting place. Incidentally, as the delegates are ushered out (after the lights were turned off) they appear in quite a good mood and no one appears particularly angry or upset. There is a real possibility that Western agencies helped to scupper a meeting that would have flagged up unpalatable post 2003 facts.
So we come to those two characters Major General Muhammad al-Allaf and
H.E. Ambassador Mohamed Ali Alhakim, BOTH OF WHOM amazingly have links to our Al Hillis, both of whom have significant US and British background/input. This is how “we” influence (manipulate) decisions.
Tim v.
I agree with your observation.
Now we know for sure that there was no lack of iraqis in the geneva/annecy region from aug 31st to sept 19th.
As a matter of fact we also know that this was about human rights and about blaming the UK and the USA regarding human rights violations.
There were probably plenty of different reasons for a pre conference killing.
Perhaps somebody can identify the supposed iraqi who had that heated argument with saad in the camping. Videos of those iraqis in geneva are available.
Hehehe…BB, Your link for : http://en.aswataliraq.info/(S(upxhvyuq4d1zz3e5di42wf45))/Default1.aspx?page=article_page&id=150618
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