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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • bluebird

    Katie
    That article is still existing. At least it is visible for me.

    This was a shocking crime and we remain committed to working with our colleagues in France to find whoever was responsible and bring them to justice.”Anyone with information is asked to call Surrey Police on 01483630077, quoting Operation Walmer, or email [email protected] independent charity Crimestoppers can be contacted anonymously on 0800 555 111.Anyone living in France with any information can contact the French Gendarmerie on freephone number 0800 002 950.- See more at: http://www.surrey.police.uk/news/witness-appeals/all-witness-appeals/article/4407/detectives-appeal-for-help-from-the-public-to-trace-a-vehicle-following-french#.UX7efLU3ajk.twitter

  • bluebird

    Do you know about why this investigation is called “Operation Walmer”?
    I have no clue. I could find the village Walmer (Kent) next to Dover.
    I checked history but that area was usually used only as a military base for fighting/defending versus France. There is nothing special regarding iraq or the al hillis that could be related to the OP name “walmer”. Any ideas?

    WALMER, a small town and a parish in Eastry district, Kent. The town stands on the coast; consists of two parts,-Lower W., adjoining Deal,-Upper W., 1¾ mile S of Deal r. station; contains W. Castle, infantry barracks, cavalry barracks, a quondam naval hospital now marine barracks, and a house which was tenanted by the Duke of Wellington when Sir Arthur Wellesley; is a sea-bathing resort; and has post-offices of W.‡ and W.-Road‡ under Deal, two churches, a garrison school, and a national school. …

    Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar reputedly landed on the beach here in 55 BC and 54 BC. It is only one possible landing place, but it is the most probable,[1] judging from the distances given in his account of the landings in his Gallic Wars.

    Walmer Aerodrome

    The flat grassy plateau at Hawkshill Freedown on the southern edge of Walmer parish was a World War I aerodrome and has a memorial to the pilots who flew from there and were killed fighting in France

  • bluebird

    There is a MI6/James Bond/Moonraker connection for Walmer/Kent.
    Usually they are picking movie scenes simply because they love jokes.
    So….. maybe?

    Three miles north of Dover in Kent, Bond is sent to investigate a mysterious incident at the site of Drax’s “Moonraker” project. M describes the incident at a tavern called ‘The World Without Want’ where Drax’s employees were often to be found, drinking after work. This was an area Fleming himself knew well as he owned a weekend retreat nearby and readers are treaded to some of Fleming’s best work.

    “To their left the carpet of green turn, bright with small wildflowers, sloped gradually down to the long pebble beach of Walmer and Deal, which curved off towards Sandwich and the Bay.”

    In another scene, Bond tracks Drax from Blades to Ebury Street, where Fleming had once lived himself. The author describes Drax’s raw Mercedes Type 300 S as “too short and heavy to be graceful”, but Bond does spend some time admiring the brute of a car. During the journey as Bond gives chase in his Bentley – Fleming gives a detailed account of the route and the sites of London: St. James Street, The Mall, Buckingham Palace Gate, etc. After a short stop at the Drax residence, the chase continues out of London and onto the A20 to Dover. Bond looses his prize when the Bentley has a nasty accident.

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/literary_postcards_mr.php3?t=&s=literary&id=02235

  • katie

    BB.

    That link is now working & went live just after I Tweeted, as you can see they saw my Tweet.

    INTERESTING don’t you think, that the Surrey police are on the Al Hilli Twitter thread reading what posters are saying?

  • bluebird

    Moonraker plot

    A Drax Industries Moonraker space shuttle on loan to the United Kingdom is hijacked in mid-air and MI6 operative, James Bond, agent 007, is assigned to investigate.

    , Bond is taken to Drax and witnesses four Moonrakers lifting off. Drax explains that he stole the Moonraker because another in the fleet had developed a fault during assembly.

    Drax plans to destroy human life by launching fifty globes containing the nerve gas into the Earth’s atmosphere. 

    That’s the movie plot. In Fleming’s book, however, it isn’t nerve gas but a stolen nuclear bomb that should destroy London. Bond saved London.

  • bluebird

    Katie
    I got this from the link regarding the al hilli surrey police investigation that YOU had posted here today. This was the first time i saw that the al hilli investigation is called “Operation Walmer”. Once i read this i began investigating the possible meaning of the word ‘Walmer’.
    ( see above)

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    ….. quoting Operation Walmer, or email [email protected] independent charity Crimestoppers can be contacted anonymously on 0800 555 111.Anyone living in France with any information can contact the French Gendarmerie on freephone number 0800 002 950

  • bluebird

    So then

    In Walmer there was the fictional “Moonraker space and satellite company” and in Walmer there was the home of Ian Fleming. Fleming used Walmer as the fictional place for that private Moonraker satellite/space company simply because he was living there.
    In his book, one stolen/hijacked moonraker was planned to be used to destroy london with a stolen russian nuclear bomb. Bond saved london. In the movie plot this was no nuclear bomb but nerve gas.

    Would the above fit to OP Walmer for Saad al Hilli?

  • katie

    Well that’s the first I’ve heard of it too, not surprising though as Walmer is in Surrey & so is Claygate…. a natural name for the investigation ?

  • bluebird

    Come on katie

    It’s 93 miles or 1:45 driving between claygate (surrey) and the tiny village of walmer (kent).
    There is no geografic nor any historic connection between claygate and walmer. Nothing. Nada.

    I was puzzled about their choice for “OP Walmer”, too.

    The closest connection i came to was Ian Fleming and the fictional private “moonraker” space and satellite company he described in his book to be located in Walmer/Kent where ian fleming actually had his house. In fact that makes actually some sense, too.

  • katie

    So the person naming the operation was a reader of Bond thrillers & had a sense of humour,I can’t see what it is you are trying to say ,BB.

  • bluebird

    Katie

    Well,

    Humour is one thing and certainly that is one important part of a british soul.

    The second thing is the logic relation of a name relating to the victims of a crime and their possible plans.

    Conclusion:
    1. They admit that this is a MI6 thing. (Ok, we already knew this, but now we got the confirmation).

    2. Perhaps we should read Flemings book “Moonraker” quite carefully for finding out what they believe to know what we dont know yet. Not the movie (that movie got a different script than what he said in his original book), but lets read his book.

  • Tim V

    Bluebird
    5 Nov, 2013 – 12:37 pm – when I read your quote (just) that was the first thought that came into my head: “Walmer, why Walmer?”. Perhaps an anagram for those gifted in that area? Reversed it’s REMLAW. “Rapid Eye Movement Law”? We have “Five Eyes” and “Eye in the Sky”.

    As regards the human phenomenon, interestingly we have this from WIKI:

    ” REM sleep is an evolutionary transformation of a well-known defensive mechanism, the tonic immobility reflex. This reflex, also known as animal hypnosis or death feigning, functions as the last line of defence against an attacking predator and consists of the total immobilization of the animal: the animal appears dead (cf. “playing possum”).”

    All quite ridiculous of course.

  • Tim V

    and no one has taken up the points I raised about the TWO French Forestry vehicles and at least THREE workers that witnessed either biker or BMWX5, their locations and timings as it relates to what we have previously been told. If this new information is accurate and the second vehicle made the bike turn round and and then followed it down, they must have BOTH come upon the carnage that was Martinet. This is quite incredible as it has never been admitted or hinted at up to now. The forestry vehicles surely have radios as they are quasi-law enforcers in remote locations. If they were first on scene they may well have been the first to make radio contact – i.e. that 3.48 call. However if it was them it raises many more obvious questions like why didn’t they render assistance and why didn’t WBM and others refer to them? If after stopping the motor cyclist they didn’t follow him down, what did they do? Remember the story about the Forestry guys is “leaked” via Panorama, from the British side not French, but significantly it wasn’t denied by Maillaud despite the obvious embarrassment it caused him, so even if the story is fabricated, the French have fallen into line. IF fabricated – for what purpose?

  • Ricki Tarr

    I like your point Tim it is interesting, I’m going to have a look at it and get it straight I’m my mind! Back tomorrow!

  • bluebird

    Tim
    The rapid eye satellites were produced by SSTL and i remember that in an early stage of this blog we did discuss whether or not SAH was involved with the rapid eyes.
    Other than that i dont see any significance in your word REMLAW.

  • katie

    Morning BB.

    We also discussed phone & satellite connections, where does a radio connection figure in a remote location?

    Would it be possible for the BMW to communicate with the Motorbike ?

    I suspect not.

  • bluebird

    Katie
    There are many possibilities.
    Old analog radio communication is still possible today as it was possible in WW2 and in the Vietnam war.
    But why should they use old analog technology?
    Satellite phones will work everywhere even in totally remote connections.

  • Tim V

    Thanks for that interesting point about sstl that i had not realised Bluebird
    6 Nov, 2013 – 1:02 am.

    I made that “remlaw” suggestion somewhat tongue in cheek although I thought the Wikipedia definition was particularly appropriate to Zeena’s eight hour comatose experience (if indeed she did)don’t you agree?

    And do you really think that is a “computer generated image”. If it is the French have some very strange computers.

  • bluebird

    Tim v

    I still believe that this isnt Remlaw but in fact Walmer and that this is a hint for MI6 involvement (Ian Fleming’s house is in Walmer) plus space technology (Ian Fleming’s fictional Moonraker technology center was in Walmer).

  • katie

    BB, re: Radio contact.

    I was simply picking up on what Tim was saying.
    If you remember I was also the first one to bring up satellite phones last year, right at the beginning of this blog.
    Much discussion was had at the time .

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