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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Tim V

    As we appear to be “brain-storming”, here’s a little “Walmer” event from history. Those “Wolfe Fockers”! (I’m sure you get the Martinet allusions not to mention the famous “Agent Zig Zag”).

    Again all quite ridiculous – but then there must have been some idea in the mind of the person who came up with the name that connects to policing, crime solving, multiple murder, the French, the geography, or espionage, mustn’t there?

    If one of the leading police/MI5 people was a Fleming aficionados, that two-fold connection with Fleming and one of his stories is a strong contender BB.

    “The Walmer Castle proceeded on her zig-zag course at 12 knots, until suddenly, at 11.55 a.m., an enemy aircraft was seen directly ahead rapidly approaching from the west. Action stations was immediately sounded and fire was opened before the enemy was overhead. The aircraft swooped down, in a fore and aft line, over the Walmer Castle, but the captain put the helm hard over, and the first bomb fell into the sea.
    Three more attacks followed when the ship was machine gunned and bombed. On the third attack Clarke was shot in the stomach but remained at his post. He was killed when a bomb hit the bridge on the fourth run of the Focke Wolfe:
    The chief officer, Mr. A. Lawson had to take over, and he was later to report on the subsequent events:
    – See more at: http://ww2today.com/21st-september-1941-rescue-ship-walmer-castle-bombed-in-atlantic#sthash.NqEAJkuE.dpuf“

  • Tim V

    ref. Bluebird
    6 Nov, 2013 – 2:06 pm

    CONTRACT STANDING ORDER 10 – Declaration Of An Interest In A Contract Or An Agreement, Receipt Of Gifts Benefits And/Or Money

    John Boshier 1820 MCT French Gendarmerie Law Enforcement 11/01/2013 1 x medal £20.00
    Gift from French Gendarmerie involved
    in joint investigation re Op Walmer Approved

    Rob Price 2906 ACPO French Embassy Law Enforcemetn 14/03/2013 Refreshments & light lunch £10.00
    Guest of French Embassy in connection
    with Op Walmer Approved

    Peter Harber 2325 INV/SB Ministry of Defence Partner Agency 01/12/2012 Framed painting £50
    Given in appreciation of assistance
    provided Approved

    Andrew Rundle 2274 SNT Mole Valley District Cncl Partnership 17/05/2013 Bottle of local Wine £10 Briefing for French Delgation Approved

    http://www.surrey.police.uk/Portals/0/pdf/your%20right%20to%20information/Hospitality-Register.pdf

  • bluebird

    Another one from the surrey police website:

    Financial Report – Month 8 The CC presented the latest financial report. The report showed a very minor overspend at year end. Police overtime had resulted from the Olympics and Operation Walmer (shooting in France).

    So then, is OP Walmer as big as the Olympics for british police? Is it the most work intensive crime for surrey police in 2012? Like the olympic games protection work? How many people do they have to protect now?
    That’s a pretty interesting statement.

  • Ricki Tarr

    Arafat poisoned by polonium proved by lab in Switzerland! His body had 18 times more plonium in his body that there should have been, did you say Mossad?

  • Villager

    Ricki @17h30

    Thanks for that. As The Telegraph points out rightly, Arafat had many enemies, but of course Mossad would be one of the prime suspects. Its surprising that its taken this long to get here.

    Btw, do you guys have a take on the Meredith Kercher murder?

    [Mod: removed an attack on another poster]

  • bluebird

    Villager
    What connection with kercher/knox do you mean except that she came from a surrey village nearby? I dont see any connections at all.

  • Tim V

    Col Marc DE TARLÉ , (Colone) is apparently head of this:

    Criminal Office
    Updated 04/03/2013 – Directorate of Legal and Administrative Information (Premier) – National Database
    This service is linked to: Ministries > Ministry of the Interior > Branch of the National Gendarmerie > Operations and Employment > Branch Judicial Police

    4, rue Claude Bernard
    CS 60003
    92136 Issy-les-Moulineaux Cedex

    http://lannuaire.service-public.fr/services_nationaux/administration-centrale-ou-ministere_166613.html

    He came to Britain and shared the informal press conference with Ass Chief Constable Rob Price, but doesn’t appear to have been directly involved in or the face of the investigation since if Google is anything to go by.

  • Tim V

    Good to see a new “face” pop up Villager
    6 Nov, 2013 – 6:21 pm. Care to say if you have previously contributed under a different name or just been following the thread “from a distance”? I also (as well as BB) would be interested to know why you have introduced the Kercher point at this late stage. Did Arafat polonium prompt it or something else. Are you suggesting a connection to it or Chevaline?

  • bluebird

    Re: Polonium

    We should consider that polonium is used as a heat source for modern satellites.
    Selected people who are having access to satellite production might have access to polonium, too.
    This is just for our memory because this had been discussed before.

  • bleb

    Tim re your 6 Nov, 2013 – 8:53 pm post.

    You need to dip into just about any of Craig’s other threads to understand.

    The clue is that the 6 Nov, 2013 – 6:21 pm post has now been moderated (read the reason!). Think what our pilot friend is to you.

    Sorry if that is a bit cryptic, but I hope you get it.

  • Tim V

    In my book Bleb
    6 Nov, 2013 – 11:55 pm you have always been on the money but this latest one of yours is really making me scratch my head and I have the splinters to prove it!

    Ah gotchya! The 6.21 BB post threw me there for a moment. Fair idea who the insult was directed at too lol. Now the question arises why might a poster choose that new name?

  • Tim V

    Thanks for that suggestion Bleb
    7 Nov, 2013 – 12:13 am. I took a peep. Trolls abound. Goodness gracious habakuking me!

  • bleb

    Tim – it is not a new name, just new to this particular thread.

    Anyway glad you got the picture.

  • bluebird

    Ricki Tarr
    7 Nov, 2013 – 10:14 am

    Interesting link. Thanks for that one. We had discussed possible MEK involvement last year.

  • Tim V

    Thanks for that reference Ricky – very informative. Here’s just one little quote from it apropos Chevaline:

    “Assassinations used to be quick, sloppy, haphazard and often relied on luck. This has changed. Targeted killing today is much more sophisticated and requires a lot of preparation and training by different teams. There are those who plan an attack but they do not carry it out. The planning groups do research; rely on field reports, files, communications traffic. They observe the victims movements, their locales, the places they frequent, traffic patterns. They study logistics, escape routes, access. They provide cover stories, fake passports and false identities. They figure out where the target is likely to stay.”

  • Tim V

    Then there is this little quote from the same article illustrating the point I have many times that Chevaline being the 40th anniversary of the Munich Massacre is unlikely to coincidental and circumstantial evidence of Israeli involvement.

    “Raman said in public e-mail, the attack coincided with the fourth anniversary of the assassination of a senior leader of the Hezbollah in Damascus and the first anniversary of the death of two Iranian nuclear scientists in Teheran caused by a similar explosion of a sticky bomb.”

  • Ricki Tarr

    Thanks Tim yeah it struck a cord with me and these MEK guys seem to have long memories!

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Disappointing that Bluebird refutes honest men’s and women’s strong sense as to who is responsible as well as Mr. Barclay quoted below, by quoting some “Russian experts”.

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    Yasser Arafat may have been poisoned with polonium, tests show

    Swiss scientists find levels of polonium 18 times higher than normal in first forensic tests on former Palestinian leader’s body

    The Swiss scientists who tested Arafat’s remains after the exhumation of his body in November 2012 discovered levels of polonium at least 18 times higher than usual in Arafat’s ribs, pelvis and in soil that absorbed his bodily fluids.

    The Swiss forensic report was handed to representatives of Arafat’s widow, Suha Arafat, as well as representatives of the Palestinian Authority on Tuesday. A copy of the report was obtained exclusively by the al-Jazeera TV network, which shared it with the Guardian before publication.

    The Swiss report said that even taking into account the eight years since Arafat’s death and the quality of specimens taken from bone fragments and tissue scraped from his body and shroud, the results “moderately support the proposition that the death was the consequence of poisoning with polonium-210”.

    Suha Arafat said the evidence in the report suggested that her then healthy 75-year-old husband, who died in 2004 four weeks after he first fell ill following a meal, was almost certainly murdered by poisoning. She told al-Jazeera: “This is the crime of the century.”

    Speaking to the Guardian after receiving the report, she said she would press for answers on who was responsible. “It’s shocking … I remember how Yasser was shrinking at the hospital, how in his eyes there were a lot of questions. Death is a fate in life, it is everybody’s fate, but when it’s poison it’s terrible. We are mourning him again now.”

    With Zahwa, 18, her daughter by Arafat, she said she suspected a “conspiracy to get rid of him”, adding: “My daughter and I have to know who did it. We will not stop in our quest to find out. I hope the Palestinian Authority goes further on it, searching every single aspect of it. It is of course a political crime.” She said: “This is separate from the peace process or talks. Any judicial investigation is separate from the peace process.”

    David Barclay, a British forensic scientist who had studied the report, told al-Jazeera: “The report contains strong evidence, in my view conclusive evidence, that there’s at least 18 times the level of polonium in Arafat’s exhumed body than there should be.”

    He said the report represented “a smoking gun”. Barclay said: “It’s what killed him. Now we need to find out who was holding the gun at that time,” adding: “I would point to him being given a fatal dose. I don’t think there’s any doubt at all.”

  • bluebird

    BBC reports that Saudi Arabia obtains nuclear warheads from Pakistan for their chinese missiles. Their missiles are now pointing towards iran.
    Intelligence sources confirm and say that saudi arabia already received their first nuclear warheads last august.

    Did al hilli see the nuclear warhead transport into saudi arabia with his satellite mapping/edging?

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