Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278

 in Uncategorized by

The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

Allowed HTML - you can use: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <s> <strike> <strong>

22,278 thoughts on “Not Forgetting the al-Hillis”

1 … 614 615 616 617 618 … 743
  • bluebird

    Omg, i am learning a lot about history in that chevaline investigation. It looks as if that research teaches me more than i had learnt all my life so far (including the english and french language).

    I continue the sidenote.
    The name Marguerite was especially popular amongst the Huguenots (as well as the name Jeanne) simply because it was Marguerite de Navarre who was the first reformist woman. Het daughter Jeanne III became the political and spiritual leader of the Huguenots.

    Now I have no doubts at all that Isaac Tournier (a jewish merchant) and Marguerite Brun (jewish?) were Huguenots when they married.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_de_Navarre

    http://huguenotsocietyofamerica.org/?page=Huguenot-History

    Quote

    The names of Huguenot leaders at that time included the royal houses of Navarre, Valois, and Condé; Admiral Coligny, and hundreds of other officers in the military. Marguerite d’Angoulême (pictured right), whom scholars have called “the first modern woman,” was an early supporter of reform in the Catholic Church. Marguerite (grandmother of Henry IV) influenced her brother, Francis I, to be lenient with the Huguenots.
    Quote end

    Another Marguerite(!!) Brun was the grandmother of the late Frederic Brun who died a few days after sylvain mollier, in a mysterious car crash.
    Therefore i strongly believe that we could create a broader family link between frederic brun and the tournier family.

  • bluebird

    The below quotes are from the below link:

    http://www.thephora.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-59384.html

    Calvinism is a form of neo-Judaism because it barrows many concepts (chosenism, predestination, belief that God rewards piety with material wealth, etc) from Judaism to the point where it ceases to be a form of Christianity and becomes a form of Judaism for Gentiles. Also, where ever Calvinist have settled (North America, South Africa, Ulster, etc) they had adopted the concept of Chosen People/Chosen Land; a concept lifted straight from Judaism. Deny it all you want, but Christian Judeophilia has it’s roots in the writings of John Calvin and his followers. History supports this thesis.

    Huguenots support Mossad/Shin Bet, false flag ops.

  • bluebird

    A must read:

    A perfect example of Huguenot/Jewish cooperation, mossad inclusive:

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Remembering-Elizabeth-Maxwell-322947

    Quote:

    Robert Maxwell’s real name was Ludwa (Ludwig) Hoch.He was the son of an unemployed Jewish agricultural laborer in a small village in the Carpatho-Ukraine. Elisabeth was the daughter of an aristocratic Huguenot family in France. They met after the liberation of France.Bob Maxwell, a millionaire businessman in the publication and newspaper business, a British Labor MP, most probably an aide to Mossad enterprises concerning the Soviet Union, authorized an autobiography that told part of his story, and invented another part. His real story was that of a talented child, taught by his mother to read and write, a student at a yeshiva in Topolciany in Slovakia, who fled from there at an early age.

    Continue reading by clicking the link above.

    That story characterizes the Tournier and Brun families and their obvious political stance pretty well.

  • Tim V

    THE coincidences are too many and too great to be coincidental! of that I am sure. so this latest tourier murder right next door to WBM place?????????? well hello! but it still is the complete picture. if ZAH was right and this was wholely a french dispute in which the al hillis were caught up by accident, why would the brits be so jumpy and lay on armed guards for everyone? a french dispute would make the kids and zah as safe as houses. so we still have the problem q what links the al hillis to the french and wbm, including now the next door neighbour. after the event of big issues people are killed for what they KNOW. What did she know about wbm. conversations/comings and goings/bicycle ride/what happened when he got back/information relayed about who/what was at the scene?

  • Tim V

    Bluebird
    16 Nov, 2013 – 12:09 am i am very familiar with calvinism. i was brought up in it! you will find that fundamentalist christians believe in a messianic revelation in which are christians, jews and the damned. jews and christians share a lot but of course are divided fundamentally on the issue of jesus as the prophesied messiah. however you will find that these christians by an large see the jews return to israel and the rebuilding of the temple as prequisites for the triumphal second coming. this may seem trite to the uninitiated but the effect is profound particularly in american politics where the jewish and fundamentalist christians hold such sway. this is before you factor in al the military, economic and historic ties that underline its support of zionism.

  • bluebird

    Tim
    I checked the addresses on google maps and it does not look as if their house was next to each other in Lathuile. The Tourniers lived in rue de la porte (tournier had the name “dit la porte”).
    Martin’s house is in impasse decoux and that’s of course in the same village and in the same neighbourhood but it isn’t the neighbour’s house. In google maps it looks like a 3-5 minutes walk.
    Perhaps the french meant “neighbourhood”.

    However, since this isnt the next house we can eliminate the theory that they wanted to kill WBM but by some accident they entered the wrong house. That theory is debunked.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    B-R-E-A-K-I-N-G—-B-R-E-A-K-I-N-G

    –

    [emphasis by Kenneth Sorensen]

    –

    Germany is Gateway for US’ secret war on terror

    Unmanned US drones which executes terror suspects, are being operated from Germany, and the German authorities are fully informed. This is the conclusion from two German medias, who over the course of 1½ year has mapped the American presence in the country.

    by Jesper Thobo-Carlsen
    15. november 2013, 22:30

    BERLIN: The US has been planning abductions and torture against terror suspects from offices in Germany. US soldiers train in drone attacks from a base near Stuttgart and commands drones from German soil, which kills presumed, but not convicted, terrorists in Africa.

    *
    *

    Last year The United States spent 3 billion euros in Germany, only surpassed by the costs in Afghanistan, where they after all conducts real warfare. There are 43,000 U.S. soldiers in Germany, spread out on 40 strongholds.

    The latest development are the so called »Private Contractors«, some of which — according to Süddeutsche Zeitung — are doing the »dirty work«, like espionage, analysis, deductions and torture. The German government has issued special licences to 207 American firms, enabling them to conduct sensitive work on German soil, the newspaper reports and assesses that several hundred of such agents are present in Germany. They are not registered by the German authorities as diplomats.

    The German-US relationship is regulated through a wide range of treaties and agreements, many of which are secret. The foreign editor of Süddeutsche Zeitungs Stefan Kornelius, emphasises that German Intelligence is profiting from the relationship. For example, it was due to US intelligence officers, that the so called »Sauerland-group« — which was later sentenced for planning a terror attack using explosives — was exposed in 2007. On the basis of his newspapers research, he is now asking if Germany ion reality is a sovereign state. His answer is »Yes«, but it is followed by a »but«. According to a diplomat, who wish to remain anonymous, who has signed many of the agreements, Germany has not always insisted on reciprocity. For example US authorities are able to check fright containers in German ports. This German authorities cannot do in the US. The same is true in airports. Secret Service and the US Homeland Security decides in German airports who are allowed to board a plane, and sometimes they even hold back suspects themselves. »That a German official should do such a thing in the US is unthinkable.«

    *

    *

    —-
    Original stories here:

    Bundesregierung beauftragt US-Spionage-Firma

    Ein “Geheimer Krieg” von deutschem Boden

    “Sueddeutsche.de”: Amerikas geheimer Krieg in Deutschland

  • bluebird

    AmRochaix twitters an hour ago:

    “Look at who met who, e.g. at Grenoble Uni 2009. Look at history of Derozier.”

  • bluebird

    4 Tournier scientists with regards to grenoble uni.

    http://creta.grenoble.cnrs.fr/english/Staff_en/RobertTournier_en.htm

    BSc in Physics with honors, 2006University of Montpellier, FranceMSc in Physics for Life Sciences, 2009University of Grenoble, FranceMentor: Dr. Jean-Nicolas TournierMEng in Systems and Mircosystems for Biotechnologies, 2009Grenoble Institute of Technology, FrancePhD in Biophysics, 2013University of Grenoble, FranceMentor: Dr. Jean-Nicolas Tournier

    http://www.sciencespo-grenoble.fr/profil-annuaire/237/tournier-vincent/

    http://www.cs.unm.edu/~tournier/

  • Tim V

    thanks for this up date. any chance of a map/plan with the two houses located. sorry if this is beyond the call of duty.

  • Tim V

    thats a very reasonable theory Bluebird
    16 Nov, 2013 – 10:02 am (ie revenge for mollier killing( but it still doesnt answer why the al hillis met him, why they also were wiped out, or why the brits think there is a continuing and serious threat does it? any hypothesis has to factor these in to be workable

  • Mary

    Bluebird. The Peter Allen you linked to writes for the Guardian and other newspapers.
    http://www.theguardian.com/profile/peterallen

    I could not find any contribution by him on the Guardian site relating to the Al Hilli deaths but saw this. http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/dec/10/monarchy.peterallen

    Note Henry Paul’s connections which we all remember.

    Lord Stevens of Kirkwhelpington (ex CC MET POLICE) who carried out the Diana investigation has several directorships and chairmanships.
    http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-stevens-of-kirkwhelpington/3733
    One is Chairman of Quest. http://www.quest.co.uk/
    Another is director of LGC Forensics who provide forensic pathology services. The previously state run service is now privatised like everything else in this country.

    Dr Nicholas Hunt, the pathologist in the investigation into Dr Kelly’s death, was and may still be employed by LGC.
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/forensic-scientist-who-investigated-death-241932

    Here is the LGC annual report showing the Directors including Lord Stevens. http://www.lgcgroup.com/LGCGroup/media/PDFs/AboutUs/OurResults/Annual_Report_Accounts_2012.pdf

    http://www.lgcgroup.com/sectors/criminal-justice-system/

    You will see that Bridgepoint provided the capital for the buyout. Who are the Bridgepoint advisory board directors? Lord Patten chair of the BBC Trust and Alan Milburn, ex NuLabour minister are included.
    http://www.bridgepoint.eu/en/about-us/european-advisory-board/

    All circles within circles.

  • bluebird

    Claire Schutz went to the University of Grenoble in 2009 (if it is that what AmRochaix wanted to tell us)

    And then there is that guy, too. He seems to be an important scientist in electrochemistry and solar fuels (world wide): Alain Derozier (university grenoble)

    Universite Joseph Fourier BP 53, 38041 Grenoble Cedex 9, France Phone: (33) 04 76 51 44 81 ; email [email protected] and Alain Deronzier: [email protected]

    10 S. COSNIER, A. DERONZIER et N. VLACHOPOULOS, Sensors and Actuators B, 136 (2009) 510-515. 184 A.V. Déposants : Université Joseph Fourier (Grenoble) et Ben Gurion University (Israël).

    A. Deronzier Lecturer- “Solar Fuels: A Tribute to Alain Deronzier” (Grenoble, France- October 14, 2011)

    Adding up the 4 Tournier scientists at univ grenoble plus deronzier plus claire schutz (student) we get a picture perhaps.

  • bluebird

    Tim V 16 Nov, 2013 – 2:56 pm

    Tim, the al hilli – mollier meeting is one thing.
    The death of mollier is another thing.
    The local mafia might not care about why, when and how mollier and al hillis were killed. They just see that mollier is dead. And then blood feud starts. They know about who was behind the killing and then the local mafia retaliates only one week after the efit had been released.
    Was the release of the efit held back by eric that long because he knows more and because he did fear that a release of the efit would possibly create new killings? If so, then he was right.

    Did you notice that dominque schutz looks like the efit?

  • Tim V

    Ricki Tarr
    17 Nov, 2013 – 4:37 pm thanks for that

    Handles of the holdall fastened with Velcro; eyelets perfectly aligned; door knob missing; telephone wiped; heating turned up;no finger prints even by Williams; no sign of break in; MI6 don’t co-operate; Government lie about his job role; spread malicious rumours about sex life; MI5 hold back evidence (another similar bag); MI6 contract coming to an end; training as a spy and in US at NSA; suspicious contacts; no video; eight days before search; impossibility of anyone to replicate for starters!

    But you know what I find MOST sinister and disturbing? The police coming out with this ludicrous statement. It means that in matters of national security/state killings they simply cannot be trusted. The same goes for Chevaline it appears. This is fundamentally important for society generally, and supports those that claim it is rotten to the core.

  • Tim V

    Bluebird
    17 Nov, 2013 – 8:44 pm your hypothesis may be spot on.But it still doesn’t answer my basic question why the Al Hillis.

    Even if we for a moment accept this is a wholly French dispute in which the Al Hillis were shot co-laterally and accidentally or to prevent witnesses surviving, it might at the stretch of the imagination put the children at risk and in need of secrecy and armed protection, but why Zaid who wasn’t there? Surely WBM, PD/B (and the OAP cyclist who’s identity has never been revealed)even Silvie and the builders would be at greater risk?

    No the central role of the Al Hillis is clear and so unless they can be tied into a French centred revenge killing, it isn’t sufficient of itself to explain what happened in my opinion (for what its worth).

  • bluebird

    Tim v.

    I am with you that the al hilli/mollier killing (the reason) was no local thing. However, i am quite sure that locals were supporting the killings, either as sayanims, as whistleblowers, as organisers, as supporters, as false witnesses (liars) and/or even as a killer. I am also quite sure that the locals do know much more than they are telling us.
    Then there is an efit (finally after 14 months) popping up and only 7 days later there is another one killed. Doesnt that smell like blood feud?
    All i am saying is that there is a local group who did seek for revenge for dead mollier and that they knew about who was it or who was part of it.

1 … 614 615 616 617 618 … 743

Comments are closed.