The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
The e fit thing is a total mystery. the story line doesn’t work (as I’ve previously described) and it isn’t “computer generated”. the genuineness of it is highly suspect and likenesses to anyone alive or dead cant be trusted. if genuine they have had 14 months to link it to someone they know is connected. (they’ve got 40 detectives and local knowledge ffs!) As with the BMWx5 the revelations from the “forestry worker” came from the british not the french. thats significant. its likely to be as much for embarrassment as for assistance. that bmw rhd more likely to be British. Could easily have been the back up team called in by wbm because the situation had gone critical. who knows?
Bluebird
17 Nov, 2013 – 10:55 pm I agree there are locals who know more than they are letting on, and that the s Schultz’s issue must be a factor, but it can’t be the whole explanation. whoever planned it and pulled it off could have used their animosity to help them. for example father in law suggested the route we are told, whilst as the same time em claims sm was “lost”. if the schults helped to set it up, molliers family might be seeking revenge even killing ppl connected. it might have set off secondary and peripheral killings. these latest killers certainly seem very different to the originals – less professional. shooting through a door???????
Bluebird, i wanted to ask you, how do you as an expert-researcher cope with Google’s limitations? As you know, Google — since a few years back [if my recollection is correct more than 5 years] selects the results according to the specific users preferences. just the other day I was searching for a comment I made on Krugman’s blog some years ago, and found one, but not the particular I wanted to find (they were both very similar in wording, and Google may have thought than digging one of them out would be satisfying to me). Then ½ hour later I repeated the search and then I couldn’t get any hit, i.e couldn’t even find the one I found the first time around. From Google’s perspective this is effective search-assistance, since they knew that I had found it once, so there would be no need to find it again.
Do you think that this mechanism is responsible for your experiences that “things disappear from the internet, as you often claim? You are not so sharp technically (can’t even make a screenshot, and only learned about YouTube the other day) so perhaps you didn’t even know that Google works in this way, i.e. selects what it presents to you, which means that another person doing the same search on another machine will get a different result.
Or have you found a better search engine than Google? And do any of the rest of you have some tips regarding searches?
http://www.libramemoria.com/avis/le-dauphine/haute-savoie/2013/11/16/avis-nicole-communal-tournier?Page=1
Jean-Paul, son époux; Séverine et Sylvain, Sophie et Johan, Véronique et Marco, ses filles et ses beaux-fils; M. et Mme Guy Lacroix, ses parents; Christine et Jean-Jacques, Pascale et Vincent, Franck et Florence, Valérie, son frère et ses sœurs; Annette et Robert, sa belle-sœur et son beau-frère; ses neveux et nièces, cousins, cousines; les familles Communal-Tournier, Lacroix, Pernet, Darmon, Laffin, parentes et amies, ont la douleur de vous faire part du décès de
Was Nicole Tournier’s father the earlier CEO of GDF SUEZ? That would be ‘WOW’ and put some more light into the affair. I am not 100% sure whether or not he is the same Guy Lacroix. However, if he is it …..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDF_Suez
http://blogmanegere.over-blog.com/m/article-111280843.html
Ineo GDF-Suez, or intelligence collective Les movements of mergers in the industry, particularly in the energy and telecoms has led some groups to better understand and structure the different jobs within their associations, as was s’ attach society Ineo GDF-Suez. Its CEO, Guy Lacroix, perceives and also defines Ineo GDF Suez as a source of “creativity and co-innovation” through “his ability to play as a team, to develop areas of sharing, support and exchange constructive. ” This form of dynamic complementarity described by Guy Lacroix, has allowed close to the customer, which is reflected in a collaborative management said, based on network operation of various departments of the company. These are organized into teams playing in “project mode”. But at Ineo GDF-Suez, each client itself is considered a full-fledged project. It is for this reason that the company, under the leadership of Guy Lacroix, established a decentralized decision-making model in which the autonomy of each employee, the corollary of which is obviously the responsibility and the engine is trust, is seen as a lever “tailored” to the satisfaction of the client. Guy Lacroix, who recently defended “initiative and decision-making closer to the customer, as close to the ground,” welcomes these terms the effectiveness of this model of network operation: “Our teams have shown capacity responsiveness and intelligence adaptation “
fr.linkedin.com/pub/guy-lacroix/21/252/973
GDF Suez and Areva joint ventures. GDF Suez is pretty much involved in Iranian and Iraqi gas fields and also involved regarding nuclear reactors in the Arab world.
http://www.franceinfo.fr/monde/mega-contrat-en-vue-en-turquie-pour-areva-et-gdf-suez-974319-2013-05-03
http://www.tradearabia.com/touch/article/OGN/239092
Although the CEO Guy Lacroix at GDF Suez is exciting, i strongly believe that the below one is the correct Guy Lacroix. Therefore sadly to say: GDF Suez debunked.
L’an deux mille treize le lundi onze février à vingt heures, le Conseil Municipal de la Commune de SAINT JEAN D’AULPS, dûment convoqué s’est réuni, salle de la Mairie, sous la présidence de Madame Marie-Thérèse CHARNAVEL, Maire.
Date de convocation : 1er février 2013
PRÉSENTS : Georges DELALE, Jean-Claude COTTET, Stéphane GREVAT, Marie-Estelle CAILLON, Sophie COTTET, Guy LACROIX, Bernard MUDRY, Bernard GUILLAUME
SECRÉTAIRE DE SÉANCE : Guy LACROIX
http://www.realisations-lacroix.com/
http://societe.lesclesdumidi.com/annuaire-353759.html
Bluebird, I suppose you know the ‘country-specific’ Google sites, like Google.fr , or the equivalent in, say Turkey, Syria or Lebanon, Emirates and so on.
@ bluebird
13 Nov, 2013 – 4:12 pm
You said ‘Two political powerful local families intermarried in september 2012 into an even more powerful family.
Is that the powerful family Zaid was talking about?
But why would they – according to Zaid – try to kill sylvain mollier?
Because one family was jewish and the molliers right wing nazi? Could be true from all what we know, but that’ s no reason for murder.’
I know we have discussed this way back and you remain resolute in your view that the Molliers were extreme right wing Nazis.
But please don’t forget the political alignment in local politics of Roger and Sylvain appears to have firmly ‘gauche’ and environmentalist through their affiliation with Solidarité & Progrès, the La Rouchean political party founded by Jacques Cheminade.
http://www.solidariteetprogres.org/
Please also don’t forget that way back in its history the La Rouchean party founded in Sweden during the Vietnam War was considered by many to be a front for the CIA.
I am, and have been from the outset, thinking along the lines of
@Ricki Tarr 15 Nov, 2013 – 9:57 am.
What we now know about the NSA, GCHQ and the other security services internet surveillance capabilities and the so-called ‘sieve to Tel Aviv’ do not make that any less likely in my opinion.
Mochyn
We dont know about what powerful family Zaid was talking about.
However, without any doubts whatsoever, the Tournier-Deronzier-Lacroix family is a powerful family in the Lathuile/Chevaline area.
Guy Lacroix (dead Nicole’s father) was in the local municipale and so was now dead maire Claude Deronzier (the father of Nicole’s two sons in law) and Jean Paul Communal-Tournier (who is responsible for the commune’s wood and forestry in that region). A politically active and powerful family.
I did not find a link between Schutz and that family yet.
Their business (three intermarried local families):
Communal-Tournier family from Lathuile: Camping, rental of alpine chalets, local forestry and wood.
Lacroix family (Nicole’s family from Lathuile-Chevilly): rental of alpine chalets, construction of wooden chalets and villas.
Deronzier family (Doussard): tourist activities like kayaking and rafting, pedal boat and sailing boat rental lac d’annecy.
LaRouche and solidarite&progres are right wing (le Pen, FN and MNR).
Sorensen: this is not the place to talk about me, my software, my search routine, and not a place to discuss about what i know and dont know. I am using my search library (software) but i dont want to discuss it. Period. Thanks for your understanding, otherwise we would go off topic soon. Please stay on topic as much as possible.
bb above google translated “Jean-Paul, her husband, Séverine and Sylvain, Sophie and Johan, Veronica and Marco, his daughters and his wife’s son, Mr. and Mrs. Guy Lacroix, his parents Christine and Jean-Jacques, Pascale and Vincent, Frank and Florence Valerie, his brother and sisters, Annette and Robert, his sister and his brother, his nephews and nieces, cousins, families Communal-Tournier, Lacroix, Pernet, Darmon, Laffin, relatives and friends, you have pain of the death of…”
ditto second quote: “The year two thousand and thirteen Monday, February at 8:11 p.m., the Municipal Council of the City of SAINT JEAN D’AULPS duly summoned met room, City Hall, chaired by Marie-Thérèse Charnavel, Mayor .
Date of Meeting: February 1, 2013
PRESENT: DELALE Georges, Jean-Claude Cottet, Stéphane GREVAT, Marie-Estelle CAILLON, Sophie COTTET, Guy Lacroix, Bernard MUDRY Bernard GUILLAUME
RECORDING SECRETARY: Guy Lacroix”
Voila! As i did expect, camping of south lake annecy is in the hands of one big family only
Who is the Gotta family?
Claudie Gotta is the sister of Brigitte Gros (nee Gotta).
Claudie Gotta was the wife of now dead Jean Claude Deronzier, the maire of Doussard, who had died accidentally on col d’ire while hunting.
http://www.societe.com/societe/gros-brigitte-nee-gotta-442027520.html
CAMPING LE TAILLEFER -> Gotta/Deronzier family.
So then, we now have facts of local intermarriage of Communal-Tournier/Lacroix/Deronzier/Gotta/Gros families in the Doussard/Lathuile region. Looks like like local imbreeding. Sicily mafia families dont look to be much different.
@bluebird
18 Nov, 2013 – 3:00 pm
We can arguenabout whether S&P is extreme right or extreme left until the cows come home, but it is important to see what they say about themselves in Ugine, the list to which RM and SM lent their support. This is from their own blog:
vendredi 18 janvier 2008, 11:00
Communiqué
L’association « Solidarité et Progrès » réunie le 17 janvier 2008 avec les candidats pressentis à la constitution d’une liste de gauche aux élections municipales de mars 2008 à Ugine a confirmé son intention. Une liste rassemblant des militants de gauche, communistes, socialistes, écologistes, des personnes progressistes, issues du monde syndical ou associatif représentera la gauche uginoise dans ce scrutin. Elle sera conduite par Louis Bertrand, conseiller municipal, ancien maire de 1989 à 1995. Une charte fixant le socle commun des candidates et candidats a été adoptée. Elle précise leur volonté de faire barrage à la politique antisociale du gouvernement et de traduire les enjeux nationaux au niveau local. Elle définit les grandes options en matière de développement économique et social, d’écologie, de démarches citoyenne et démocratique. Elle se donne comme priorités le logement social, un urbanisme facteur de convivialité et de renouveau commercial, le maintien des services publics, un environnement de qualité. Des groupes de travail élaborent le programme et l’ordre de la liste qui seront communiqués dès leur validation.
Par Solidarité et progrès dans Accueil-Présentation
vendredi 18 janvier 2008, 11:00
Communiqué
L’association « Solidarité et Progrès » réunie le 17 janvier 2008 avec les candidats pressentis à la constitution d’une liste de gauche aux élections municipales de mars 2008 à Ugine a confirmé son intention. Une liste rassemblant des militants de gauche, communistes, socialistes, écologistes, des personnes progressistes, issues du monde syndical ou associatif représentera la gauche uginoise dans ce scrutin. Elle sera conduite par Louis Bertrand, conseiller municipal, ancien maire de 1989 à 1995. Une charte fixant le socle commun des candidates et candidats a été adoptée. Elle précise leur volonté de faire barrage à la politique antisociale du gouvernement et de traduire les enjeux nationaux au niveau local. Elle définit les grandes options en matière de développement économique et social, d’écologie, de démarches citoyenne et démocratique. Elle se donne comme priorités le logement social, un urbanisme facteur de convivialité et de renouveau commercial, le maintien des services publics, un environnement de qualité. Des groupes de travail élaborent le programme et l’ordre de la liste qui seront communiqués dès leur validation.
Par Solidarité et progrès dans Accueil-Présentation
http://solidariteprogres73.elunet.fr/index.php/category/Accueil-Presentation
So you cannot deny that S&P in Ugine were campaigning on a leftist, environmentalist ticket. This is quite explicit:
‘Une liste rassemblant des militants de gauche, communistes, socialistes, écologistes, des personnes progressistes, issues du monde syndical ou associatif représentera la gauche uginoise dans ce scrutin.’
More to the point of that however, I wonder what you have to say about the LaRouche organisation being considered a front for the CIA?
If SAH had connections to the British security services, which would appear more than likely, and SM had connections to an organisation which was linked to the CIA, what kind of dynamic could we have at work here?
@bluebird
18 Nov, 2013 – 3:30 pm
Here you go –
http://www.geneanet.org/genealogie/fr/gotta.html
Old, old, long established local family.
I keep on mentioning Twin Peaks!
You shouldn’t think of twin peaks you should think Crimson Rivers have you ever seen the movie! It’s based in Grenoble as well! It also involves a murder and a powerful family!
Probably unrelated:
Pumpgun shooting in Rothschild media company “liberation” and at rothschild bank (both in paris).
“Gotta” seems to be of Italian ancestry. Does not sound french.
Yes, “Denver clan” comes into my mind. We can strongly assume that Saad did stay on a camping ground of that family. Maybe he felt leaked and uncovered on camping ground one and then he tried to escape to camping ground two, seeking cover and anonymity there, not knowing that all camping grounds obviously belong to one powerful local family only.
“Ms Bull had been travelling to Kazan for the start of a 10-day marketing trip.
Her Moscow-based colleague Yana Baranova, with whom she was travelling, also died in the crash.
Ms Bull’s widower Robert Crome said: “This is a very difficult and emotional time for all of the family trying to come to terms with the shock and loss of Donna.
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“Donna was a wonderful mother to George and Kate – kind, thoughtful and caring to her family and her many friends,” he added, in a statement issued through the Cambridge News.
“She was also a dedicated and hard-working professional, as a teacher and educationalist, so her students will all miss her greatly. Words are inadequate to express our grief and loss.”
He added that he hoped the UK and Russian authorities could help “ease any administrative difficulties”.
Ms Bull joined Bellerbys Cambridge in April 2012 as an A-levels programme manager.
James Pitman, managing director of Study Group which runs Bellerbys Colleges, said Donna was a “very popular and well respected member of staff and will be sorely missed by both her students and colleagues”.
“Yana, although based in Moscow, forged close relationships with Bellerbys staff in the UK in her capacity as recruitment manager and will likewise be sorely missed.”
He added that the college would be closed for teaching on Monday but would open for staff and students to come together to grieve, and counselling would be on offer.
UK Foreign Secretary William Hague also expressed his condolences.”http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24983460
No relation of Gerald Bull I suppose? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
re mochyn69 –
“18 Friday, January 2008 , 11:00 google translate
report
The “Solidarity and Progress ‘ Association met on 17 January 2008 with potential candidates for the creation of a list on the left in the municipal elections of March 2008 Ugine confirmed its intention . A list containing the leftists , communists, socialists, environmentalists , progressive people from the labor or associations represent uginoise left in this election. It will be led by Louis Bertrand, councilor , former mayor from 1989 to 1995. Charter establishing a common basis of candidates was adopted . It states their determination to block the anti-social policies of the government and bring national issues at the local level . It sets out the main options for economic and social development , ecology, civic and democratic processes. It presents itself as priorities for social housing , urban planning usability factor and business renewal, maintenance of public services , a quality environment . Working groups developing the program and the order of the list will be communicated as soon as validated .
By Solidarity and progress – Home Presentation
18 Friday, January 2008 , 11:00
report
The “Solidarity and Progress ‘ Association met on 17 January 2008 with potential candidates for the creation of a list on the left in the municipal elections of March 2008 Ugine confirmed its intention . A list containing the leftists , communists, socialists, environmentalists , progressive people from the labor or associations represent uginoise left in this election. It will be led by Louis Bertrand, councilor , former mayor from 1989 to 1995. Charter establishing a common basis of candidates was adopted . It states their determination to block the anti-social policies of the government and bring national issues at the local level . It sets out the main options for economic and social development , ecology, civic and democratic processes. It presents itself as priorities for social housing , urban planning usability factor and business renewal, maintenance of public services , a quality environment . Working groups developing the program and the order of the list will be communicated as soon as validated .
By Solidarity and progress – Home Presentation”
“All 44 passengers and six crew died when the Boeing 737 exploded on impact while trying to land at Kazan airport.
Authorities say the plane plunged vertically into the airport’s runway.
Officials have recovered both “black box” flight recorders but it is thought they may be damaged.”
Who else was on the plane?
“it is thought they may be damaged.” immediately rings alarm bells in my suspicious mind.
“Kazan (Russian: Каза́нь, IPA: [kɐˈzanʲ]; Cyrillic Tatar: Казан, Latin Tatar: Qazan) is the capital and largest city of the Republic of Tatarstan, Russia. With a population of 1,143,535, it is the eighth most populous city in Russia.[6] Kazan lies at the confluence of the Volga and Kazanka Rivers in European Russia.
The Kazan Kremlin is a World Heritage Site. In 2005, the Medal “In Commemoration of the 1000th Anniversary of Kazan” was established by Russia to denote this landmark event. The multi-ethnic city is honored by UNESCO[11] and famous for Muslims and Christians living side-by-side in peace.
In April 2009, the Russian Patent Office granted Kazan the right to brand itself as the “Third Capital” of Russia.[12] In 2009 it was chosen as the “Sports capital of Russia”[13] and it still is referred to as such.[14] The city hosted the 2013 Summer Universiade and will host the 2015 World Aquatics Championships, and 2018 FIFA World Cup.” WIKI
Rather off topic I know (please forgive me) Apart from other things it is an important centre for the manufacture of civil and military aircraft incl. next generation long distance bomber due to arrive 2020. Visionary!
@ Tim V 6:19PM
“…..dead included Lt. Gen. Alexander Antonov, the regional chief of Russia’s Federal Security Service, and Irek Minnikhanov, the son of Tatarstan regional President Rustam…” KFOR.COM
“The 737 series is the best-selling jet airliner in the history of aviation.[4] The 737 has been continuously manufactured by Boeing since 1967 with 7,755 aircraft delivered and 3,467 orders yet to be fulfilled as of September 2013.[1] 737 assembly is centered at the Boeing Renton Factory in Renton, Washington. Many 737s serve markets previously filled by 707, 727, 757, DC-9, and MD-80/MD-90 airliners, and the aircraft currently competes primarily with the Airbus A320 family.[6] There are, on average, 1,250 Boeing 737s airborne at any given time, with two departing or landing somewhere every five seconds.[7]”
“As of November 2013, a total of 316 incidents involving 737s have occurred,[132] including 152 hull-loss accidents[133] resulting in a total of 4,287 fatalities. The 737 has also been in 111 hijackings involving 325 fatalities.[134]”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-airliner-crashes-in-russian-city-of-kazan/article15476917/
Extraordinary nose dive in fact http://rt.com/news/kazan-plane-crash-video-882/
where is our flying expert. as a complete flying no nothing, i would have thought that was quite hard to do unless intentional?
Aghhhhh rite Diogenes
18 Nov, 2013 – 6:33 pm. Thanks for that. Could explain things couldn’t it? In what way who knows? Were they returning from a meeting with Putin by any chance?
Some familiar themes:
Black boxes sent to Moscow (despite Kazak being a major tupolov centre) “The two black boxes – a voice-recording device and a parametric one – have been recovered and have already been sent to Moscow for analysis.”
Doubt sown about whether black boxes will reveal info.”An official told Interfax, however, that the recorders are badly damaged.”
Lots of theories – terrorism ruled out before any information available “Transport Minister Maksim Sokolov, speaking to the Voice of Russia radio station, said earlier that “until the Investigative Committee has finished its work, all five theories may be valid.” However, he added that the possibility of a terrorist act is out of the question.”
Blame the pilots: ” Pilot error, poor fuel quality, technical failure, poorly followed safety regulations and bad weather have all been blamed for the crash, However, he added that the possibility of a terrorist act is out of the question.Although the pilots, both in their late 40s, were reportedly very experienced at their jobs, Russia’s Investigative Committee seems set on the view that the fault lies with them. ”
An explosion? ” “The plane attempted to land several times. One of the [fuel] tanks detonated while the plane was landing,” said Emergencies Ministry spokeswoman Irina Rossius.”
http://rt.com/news/kazan-plane-crash-video-882/
Dont tell me that Mrs.Bull is a relative of Gerald Bull.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
Probably just name coincidence, isnt it?