The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
somehow doubt it BB – but family connections are your bag! On that theme though sudden bereavement amongst senior politicians spanning continents jumps to mind. President Kenyatta losing his nephew at Wetgate. Senator Inhofe losing his son to a plane crash last week. Now President Minnikhanov also losing his son.
For example. This is a good french website to trace and track inhabitants and municipals and much more data of all french cities and villages.
http://frenchy-habitant.com/habitant/v2/73/73400-UGINE.php
http://frenchy-mairie.com/mairie/v2/73/73400-UGINE.php
http://frenchy-mairie.com/mairie/v2/74/74210-CHEVALINE.php
http://frenchy-habitant.com/habitant/v2/74/74210-CHEVALINE.php
http://frenchy-habitant.com/habitant/v2/74/74210-LATHUILE.php
http://frenchy-mairie.com/mairie/v2/74/74210-LATHUILE.php
http://frenchy-mairie.com/mairie/v2/74/74210-DOUSSARD.php
http://frenchy-habitant.com/habitant/v2/74/74210-DOUSSARD.php
The point I made at Tim V
18 Nov, 2013 – 6:02 pm, Bluebird
18 Nov, 2013 – 8:20 pm. I thought as our relations expert you wud be able to tell us lol. Mrs Bull accompanied by a Russian opp number apparently, She’s Cambridge based ( you know all about Cambridge I’m sure) and using business person tried and tested MI6 method, not to mention feminine charms. What do we know about about Bellerbys College? http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-11-18/picture-of-british-woman-killed-in-russia-plane-crash/
Think a Bull connection unlikely tho don’t you, Gerald being Canadian and all and at least a generation dividing?
Iran has been quick off with the condolences.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/11/plane-crash-kills-oklahoma-sen-inhofe-son/
http://www.bellerbys.com/locations/cambridge
My heart was slain, and none but you and I;
Who should I think the murder should commit?
Since but yourself there was no creature by
But only I, guiltless of murdering it.
It slew itself; the verdict on the view
Do quit the dead, and me not accessary.
Well, well, I fear it will be proved by you,
The evidence so great a proof doth carry.
But O see, see, we need inquire no further!
Upon your lips the scarlet drops are found,
And in your eye the boy that did the murder,
Your cheeks yet pale since first he gave the wound!
By this I see, however things be past,
Yet heaven will still have murder out at last.
ru.linkedin.com/pub/yana-baranova/38/76b/5b4
Her russian collegue is legit
Mrs Bull seems to be a legit teacher, too. I am just wondering about why her husband has a different name than her name.
There are at least 30 Donna Bulls worldwide. Donna seems to be a popular name for Bull.
I dont see anything suspicious here although there is an Australian Donna Bull who not only is her age but who looks like her twin on the linkedin photo, who is the world’s leading illegal drugs trade investigator. However, this is coincidence as the UK teacher Donna Bull does exist and Baranova does exist too.
au.linkedin.com/in/dlbull
Carers of Alps al-Hilli sisters seek residency
Mr al-Hilli’s two daughters survived the attack on a remote mountain road near Annecy in the Alps
A couple caring for two sisters whose parents and grandmother were shot dead in the French Alps have applied to be allowed to live permanently in the UK.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-24995565
Poor little kids. Unimaginable for them.
Bluebirdwrote on 18 Nov, 2013 – 4:48 pm:
Probably unrelated:
Pumpgun shooting in Rothschild media company “liberation” and at rothschild bank (both in paris).
The shooting was followed by a DOS-attack on the newspapers server. French police say the attack came from Russia and Thailand and lasted ½ hour.
Good Lord! This thread’s still going! That’s over a year now. The blog otherwise seems quiescent/in a state of hibernation.
Bluebird wrote on 18 Nov, 2013 – 4:48 pm:
Probably unrelated:
Pumpgun shooting in Rothschild media company “liberation” and at rothschild bank (both in paris).
The shooting was followed by a DOS-attack on the newspapers server. French police say the attack came from Russia and Thailand and lasted ½ hour.
Bluebird wrote on 18 Nov, 2013 – 4:48 pm:
Probably unrelated:
Pumpgun shooting in Rothschild media company “liberation” and at rothschild bank (both in paris).
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The shooting was followed by a DOS-attack on the newspapers server. French police say the attack came from Russia and Thailand and lasted half an hour.
Bluebird wrote on 18 Nov, 2013 – 4:48 pm:
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The shooting was followed by a DOS-attack on the newspapers server. French police say the attack came from Russia and Thailand and lasted half an hour.
[not that I myself think there is any connection – but this will have these guy’s talking for the next fortnight 🙂 ]
“In February 2009, Suhayl Saadi completed an exciting residency at the Indus Valley School of Art and Architecture in Karachi, Pakistan! This delightful and engaging sojourn took place literally by the shores of the Arabian Sea and was made possible by the wonderful staff and students of the IVS and through much-valued support from the Scottish Arts Council.
http://www.indusvalley.edu.pk/main.htm” Hope it was memorable Suhayl.
There’s been some intersesting stull on here btw. Might be worth scrolling back?
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There’s been some interesting stuff on here btw. Might be worth scrolling back?
Funny weather these days.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2509972/Al-Hilli-sisters-orphaned-Alps-massacre-family-police-guard.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
@Tim V
19 Nov, 2013 – 10:33 pm
At least the DM is keeping the story alive in the UK. However, some pretty appalling, money-grubbing comments on there from some of the commenters.
I just hope none of their children ever experience what the al Hilli girls have gone through.
@bluebird
18 Nov, 2013 – 3:30 pm
Searching for some genealogical data on the Gottas for you led me to geneanet.org so I thought I’d check out the Mollier family name as well and here’s the result:
http://www.geneanet.org/search/index.php?name=mollier&country=FRA®ion=RAL&subregion=F74&ressource=arbre&p=1
The family name is as old as them there hills in Haute Savoie, it goes back to the 16th century, a bit like the Tudors in Britain.
Then there’s little tidbit:
Molliex
Nom savoyard. C’est un toponyme désignant un lieu marécageux. On trouve d’ailleurs une commune savoyarde nommée le Mollier.
It’s a Savoyan name, a topographical name describing a marshy place.
Curiously enough, in French ‘terrain marécageux’ has the figurative meaning of a difficult situation where nothing is certain, where one doesn’t who who or what to believe!
Appropriate, huh!?
Mochyn
Thanks, but i already knew that mollier genealogy list created by herrison. I believe that i posted this same link a year ago.
However, good that you posted it again because there is one mollier on page 4 who lived in Lathuile 2004-2004.
Why did he live there for exactly one year? Did he have a girlfriend there whom he dated or some kind of other relationship? Who was that mollier from lathuile?
Breaking! Wow!
Mochyn
Do you know who linked Mollier from Lathuile 2004-2004 into his family genealogy?
This was “guyc”.
Do you know who “guyc” is?
I’ll tell you:
Guy Communal.
http://m.geneanet.org/?action=contact&sourcename=guyc&type=type-arbre-sosa&mode_acces=gratuit&ressource=arbre&name=MOLLIER&place=Lathuile®ion=ral&country=fra&subregion=f74&namerech=MOLLIER
Does that ring a bell?
There is a connection between Guy Communal and Mollier (Lathuile) who are the SAME FAMILY!
Why didnt Eric tell us? This must be obvious for Eric, gor the police and the locals. They must know this connection, too.
Mochyn69
20 Nov, 2013 – 4:12 pm – Neat!
I suppose we have “getting bogged down”?
GBluebird
20 Nov, 2013 – 8:58 pm – For the slower ones amongst us remind me again – Guy Communal who he?????? I’m bogged down.
Guy Communal (Lathuile) is the son of Maurice Communal and Elisabeth Mollier (Elisabeth died in 2004).
http://gw.geneanet.org/guyc?lang=en&p=simon&n=communal&m=A&t=N&v=99&templ=mobile
http://gw.geneanet.org/guyc?lang=en;pz=simon;nz=communal;ocz=0;templ=mobile;p=elisabeth;n=mollier
http://dirigeant.societe.com/dirigeant/Guy.COMMUNAL.29762889.html
Tim:
Jean Paul Communal-Tournier
Nicole Communal-Tournier
Does the name Communal-Mollier ring a bell now?
All of them are inhabitants of the little village Lathuile!
@ Marlin
Are you still on here? If so how is the script?
[links and typing errors fixed]
B-R-E-A-K-I-N-G
I just Googled: “Liberation Mohammed Cartoons”, and sure enough:
Abdelhakim Dekhar is of Algerian origin.
In fact he is from a elite family (MDs, bankers, probably politicians).
He was sentenced to 4 years in french jail in 1998 for taking part in the Rey-Maupin anarchist shooting. His lawyer said that he worked for Algerian intelligence and that he was recruited by french lobbyists who wanted public opinion to change for getting more police and more money for police forces (in 1994!).
After he was released from french jail, Abdelhakim Dekhar lived in Essex, UK until now.
Quote lawyer:
He said he was driven by his uncle, head of the Algerian secret services. He claimed to have been tasked to infiltrate the ultra left that would have had dealings with the Islamists and the Algerian GIA ”
Il disait qu’il était piloté par son oncle, responsable des services secrets algériens. Il prétendait avoir reçu pour mission d’infiltrer l’ultra gauche qui aurait eu des accointances avec les islamistes et le GIA algérien”,
http://mobile.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/11/21/dekhar-un-homme-enigmatique-deja-condamne-dans-l-affaire-rey-maupin-en-1998_3517505_3224.html
This quote below was already online 3 years ago:
A century after the Vaillant affair, in 1993, a new French government was in power and its Minister of the Interior, Charles Pasqua, proposed reforms seeking to “construct a police force capable of confronting the turbulence of the 21st century”[7] — a turbulence that could indeed be foreseen. In brief, Pasqua wanted to generalize the video surveillance of the country by distributing cameras in public places; to legalize searches and seizure carried out without warrants from the District Attorney’s office; and to arrest a certain number of people in advance of any political demonstration. In addition, the Minister foresaw the construction of 150 new police stations, the hiring of 5,000 new police officers and an increase in the police’s budget of 10 million francs (an increase of 70%). Such a project could not help but provoke many protests, and a large number of amendments were proposed, aiming to empty it of its content.Thus it was that, on 4 October 1994, two young libertarian squatters,[8] Audry Maupin and Florence Rey — excited by “extremist revolutionary theories” — held up a car-impound lot to procure weapons and, in the course of the chase that followed, killed four people, three of whom were police officers. Maupin was killed and Florence Rey was arrested.Several days after the hold-up, of which the media were zealous chroniclers, the National Assembly voted for the police measures proposed by the Minister of the Interior, following the same scenario as in the Vaillant affair.During the trial, witnesses affirmed having seen a third person who acted as a look-out. After fifteen months of silence, Florence Rey admitted that this person had procured for the couple a firebomb intended for use during the operation. He called himself Abdelhakim Dekhar and he was 29 years old. The man himself did not deny that he purchased the weapon used during the shooting, but claimed not to know either Maupin or Florence Rey. He only declared that he was “part of the Algerian military security forces,” and that, ever since 1990, he had been tasked with infiltrating Islamist [terrorist] networks.[9] What did the Algerian military security forces have to do with this banal hold-up? Was it truly to deal with a few stray children that the French police needed an increase of 10 million francs, 150 supplementary police stations and 5,000 police officers?
“Are we powerful or what”, cont.
On the 19th. November Danish development minister says Gaza strip is akin to a “prison”,- sacked on the 20th.
One can imagine the stream of protests in the intervening time from the embassy to the government offices.
Here is what he said on the 19th:
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Berlingske Tidende ,20th November: