The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Blue…
Personally, I haven’t a clue who was suppose to be there or not.
OR who was involved with who…
But Eric did use the term “vendetta”. That’s a strange term to “just come out with”.
as such I feel both murders are inter linked. And as you suggest, that link maybe found with the motivations for that attack/fist fight or whatever it was.
Was/is there an extortion racket being run in that area ? And by the “peoples” that have settled there ? It may be so. It’s a big tourist area that brings in big revenues. But when the “old bill” turn up, they usually find out what’s been going on. So how come not in Chevaline ? (Maybe they have. Maybe they aren’t saying)
Then again, the “untouched” money in the Swiss Bank account held in the name of Al Hilli’s father (controlled by ZAH) has never been explained.Drugs money ?
James
I agree.
Eric’s use of the words “local vendetta” were the ones that will solve that event soon …. if Eric wants to solve it. Does Eric think about police collegue Marechand’s fate?
Mistyped again:
Above i meant Christian Marechal (but not marechand)
http://leparisien.fr/faits-divers/l-assassinat-du-chef-de-la-police-municipale-reste-une-enigme-21-03-2010-856997.php
Dont forget the tragic death of maire Deronziers either.
All that fits into a local extortion racket. Add up the silence (fear) of the locals and finish the puzzle with the local Baybasin PKK clan.
It was just a matter of time before the locals begin to plan to retaliate.
London based Baybasin clan doesnt racket and heroin smuggling only. Weapon smuggling import and export from/to all kurdish regions (syria, iraq, iran, turkey) are even more profitable than drugs.
Anyone want a bargain? (Note registration!)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-X5-in-good-condition-a-genuine-quick-sale-bargain-/251402146500?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a88bc52c4
So just to recap on this little lot….
Christian Marechal, the “police chief” that the “police know little about”.
Was he having an affair ? Was he on the take ? Again, nothing is known.
Due to his murder Pierre Morange (the deputy mayor of Chambourcy) and uncle of Claire Schultz started carrying a gun. After the murder of Sylvain Mollier, it was the gun packing (former) deputy mayor that advised the Schultz family to “keep quiet”.
Then we have Mayor Deronzier. He was “shot” (shot/fell/hung himself/accidentally cut his throat whilst shaving) during a hunting trip in 2009.
His sons went on to marry the two daughters of the murdered Nicole Communal-Tournier.
Now he was Jean-Paul yes ? How do the French put it) “went too soon”.
“Mais le soleil a pointé le bout de son nez à l’heure de la cérémonie. Certainement un joli cadeau des cieux et de la part de Jean-Claude Deronzier, ancien maire de Doussard parti malheureusement trop tôt, pour ses deux fils, Sylvain et Marco, qui allaient épouser Séverine et Véronique, deux soeurs de la famille Communal-Tournier”.
What if the area was previously “run” by the local hierarchy. And by “run” I don’t mean “from City Hall”, but with a more “hands on approach” !
And some other “enterprising people” decided that a “take over” was in order ?
I also read that some of the Turkish “families” had invested funds in “tourism” areas. Maybe the like “tourism” ?
Who were the “couple” involved in that fight !
Drugs manufacture, distribution and sale, as we know, is a multi-billion global industry. Society makes a distinction between drugs legal and illegal. The illegal ones offer huge rewards but also great dangers from those engaged in the trade and from state enforcement. Secrecy is therefore a given and the enforcers are frequently at a personal or even state level in league with those who are the “criminals”. It can be no accident that both main sources of heroin/cocaine are virtually vassal states of the US, with Europe the main consumer market. The routes through Iran/Turkey/Greece and Mexico among others are well known but largely left undisrupted other than the odd highly publicised “bust”. For the dealers there are two big problems: transport and disposing of the cash for which co-operative banks are essential. It also helps a lot if the State directly assists, as it incredibly did in Iran/Contra. So in practice it is virtually impossible to squeeze a razor blade between the “goodies” and the “badies” whilst the pretence must be maintained of a clear distinction. Indeed it may be argued that it is the illicit black market trade that actually keeps western economies afloat. The unspoken and unrecorded “balance of payments” that underpins property transactions and a whole range of “investments” that are required to launder the vast receipts. The general public has no concept of the sums involved and as long as all the deaths are kept in Mexico and Syria, no one much cares about the toll of wasted lives on the streets of Manchester or Leeds.
Knowledge of and involvement in not only leads to “vendettas” that by their nature can never be admitted or allowed to enter the courts but also the power of blackmail. With long gaol sentences or further east, execution, can be a great lever into drug/weapon running or other espionage/sabotage type activities. States may claim “necessity must” but by the same token their involvement becomes too politically explosive to ever allow it to be revealed. We are certain arn’t we, that both Britain and France know precisely what happened at Chevaline and that the two allegedly genuine police investigations are bogus? The public is being defrauded and deceived because the truth is too damaging either to Britain or France or the alliance between the two or to other allies or to foreign policy objectives that have not necessarily been made public. Israeli foreign policy has been deeply disingenuous in league with a US prepared to kill its own to precipitate foreign/global policy goals, and in which the UK was dragged along, by scarcely less deceit. The Al Hillis were clearly operating at the behest of British Intelligence. It is the only thing that can explain the British response. It was an operation that went catastrophically wrong, that can’t be admitted. The French obviously think the British got what they deserved. The British are livid with the perfidious “Frogs”. Meanwhile leaders in both jurisdictions spread the lie that all remains “cordial” in the “Entente”. Poor little Eric is stuck in the middle of the whole shitty business, trying to keep his hands clean, like some latter day Pilot. Meanwhile we the gullible public foots the multi million pound bill for the impotent investigation. We have seen this before in the Kennedy assassination and the 9/11 outrage. It is a searing indictment of what we regard as enshrined principles of our form of western government. It means that gross deception is central to government action and nothing can be believed that emanates from that quarter. Maybe the world is so evil, we cannot expect to retain our freedoms without our agents getting their hands dirty?
Bleb
14 Dec, 2013 – 12:11 am – My view of the “photo-fit”: BS! First it’s not a photo fit, it’s a rather amateurish line drawing. It’s provenance is totally unreliable. It comes from a totally discredited source, namely EM. It was held back for no less than FOURTEEN MONTHS! It took a couple of weeks to emerge after it was announced (knocked up at that stage?). The justification for keeping it back (“Did not want to make the suspect aware”) was laughable. (You could almost hear the cops guffawing into their tea) The story about the two forestry vehicles was broken not by the French but by the British Panorama team, who protected the alleged informant’s identity – clearly not from the French who must know who it was, if indeed it was a genuine forestry worker which I very much doubt. (Can you imagine the trouble he would have been if indeed he was a government employee?) Then finally the quite ridiculous two forestry vehicles story, which however you modify it can’t be made to fit the story line, unless they were the first to come on the carnage. (I have spelt this out before so won’t repeat myself here) Nor is it credible that the forestry guys, if they had met up with this “photo fit guy” would not have obtained further information – he was breaking the law after all – sufficient to trace that bike within hours not to mention the details of the BMW X5 so say that two foresters must have passed unless it arrived and went before the second forestry vehicle came down, in which case he could not have missed the murder scene. So you see no weight at all can be attached to the “photo fit”. It may retain a likeness to a motor cyclist (if there was one) but equally it could be total fabrication.
@ All and @ bluebird 13 Dec, 2013 – 8:02 am
Glad there is some interest and posting still!
I still cannot access this site using the URL http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/
because the IP change does not seem to have propagated to the DNS server(s)used by
my ISP. Makes posting very difficult too!
Anyway just wanted to review the link bluebird gave above
http://m.mytf1news.fr/app.php/article/4917565
The translated text in bluebird’s post didn’t make sense to me, so I looked at the
original page in french and pushed it through a translator. The result was that the
5th paragraph read very differently – other bits too.
(bluebird, it looks to me that your translator was not reading the words in blue
that have links to other pages behind them)
Two points struck me:-
Firstly EM states baldly that from the start they knew that they would not have
finished reviewing the CCTV and computer evidence until September 2014 !!!
Apparently 2014 is going to be a particularly important year for him.
Secondly, industrial espionage is being taken seriously as a piste. It is worth
reading the article at
http://lci.tf1.fr/france/faits-divers/tuerie-de-chevaline-le-procureur-evoque-la-pi
ste-de-l-espionnage-8259840.html
There is also apparently a video on tht page, but I cannot view it for some reason,
so if anyone can view it, please post if there is additional content to the text.
James:
Who were the “couple” involved in that fight !
Indeed! Exactly so. Who were the local couple?
Since that had been in court, somebody should be able to know the names. I mean, the court does not make a secret of such names. Why Ledauphine does make a secret is beyond my understanding. We need locals to reveal the names of that injured couple.
Tim v.
Partly i am with you, partly i disagree.
Eric probably knew that there was the pending vendetta. He probably knew that when he would release the efit he would create another murder (what actually happened when he finally did release it). I think that he didnt release it deliberately.
Turkey, UK, France and the UK and Israel are allies in regards to Syria.
On the other side there are PKK and Hezbollah as allies of Assad. I always saw al Saffar and Hilli as a part of Hezbollah. Maybe i am wrong but there are a lot of facts that mive them close to hezbollah. Therefore i dont see them close to british intelligence at this time.
If it was PKK+Hezbollah versus the rest then i also see that eric was not allowed to release the efit of an allied secret service agent (Turkish MIT agent)).
You are right that a lot of what eric said is BS and lies. But if this were the French+Turkish with british and israel support, then they would be stupid to name and display their own agent as an efit immediately after the murder.
Everything suddenly makes a lot of sense now. I am still not sure whether or not the efit robot was the murder. However, he was there. Something was happening terribly wrong in the parking lot of Col d’Ire, though.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=86496
@ All and @ bluebird 13 Dec, 2013 – 8:02 am
Hopefully my DNS issue is over so am re-posting this as a test.
I just wanted to review the link bluebird gave above:-
http://m.mytf1news.fr/app.php/article/4917565
The translated text in bluebird’s post didn’t make sense to me, so I looked at the original page in french and pushed it through a translator. The result was that the 5th paragraph read very differently – other bits too.
bluebird, it looks to me that your translator was not reading the words in blue that have links to other pages behind them.
e.g. the phrase “affaire d’espionnage industriel” in the 5th paragraph seems to have not been included in the translation.
Two points struck me:-
Firstly EM states baldly that, from the start of the investigation, they knew that they would not have finished reviewing the CCTV and computer evidence until September 2014 !!!
Apparently 2014 is going to be a particularly important year for him.
Secondly, industrial espionage is being taken seriously as a piste. It is worth reading the article at:-
http://lci.tf1.fr/france/faits-divers/tuerie-de-chevaline-le-procureur-evoque-la-piste-de-l-espionnage-8259840.html
There is also apparently a video on that page, but I cannot view it for some reason, so if anyone can view it, please post if there is additional content to the text.
Good in Parts
My “translator” was “google translate” 🙂
Thanks for doing this better
Tim v
Re: Your link above
Nuclear spy in Kerman province? I strongly doubt so.
Smuggling route spy in Kerman province: YES!
Drugs or arms. Whatever.:
Kerman province is the Southern smuggling hub for import/export between pakistan/afghanistan and western europe/usa.
If there is a spy in the Kerman province then he is tracling drugs or weapons.
United nations report:
According to a recent study carried out in Shirabad, a small town near the Sistan and Baluchestan provincial capital, Zahedan, 40% to 65% of Shirabad residents earns their living either by smuggling goods between Iran and Pakistan or by providing logistical support to local drug trafficking criminal organizations. It is worth mentioning that according to the same study none of the local leaders of local drug trafficking organizations live in Shirabad itself. It also means that the largest portion of the revenue generated by illegal activities is neither invested nor spent in this town
The following are the identified trafficking routes originating from Sistan and Baluchestan Province: Sistan and Baluchestan-Kerman-Yazd-Tehran
Entry to exit points: Trafficking routes from Iran central parts The trafficking gangs that operate from Iranian border areas to outskirts of Kerman Province – city of Bam, in the south and outside boundaries of Khorasan province, do not enter into trafficking of drugs to central Iran and larger cities like Tehran, etc. There seems to be an unwritten pact between the organized trafficking from borders of Afghanistan and Pakistan to Kerman and Khorasan provinces and those organized gangs that traffic drugs from central parts to Tehran and other major drug depots deep into Iranian territories. The later groups are actually involved in both domestic distributions in major cities and urban areas as well as acting as bridge of transiting drugs into Iran exit points via third markets. Information on central trafficking routes and organized crime groups behind is extremely scarce. Again unofficially some of these groups enjoy strong connections for their trafficking activities
Southern route Illicit drug consignments, mainly hashish, flow through this route towards the Persian Gulf region, the European and North American markets, as final destinations of small consignments. The routes include: – Bandar Abbas – Smaller port facilities along Iranian southern shores – United Arab Emirates – Iranian southern shores – Kuwait/Iraq
Eastern route The eastern route is mainly directed to the Middle East markets. This is Khuzestan and Kermanshah Provinces – Iraq. However, because of the recent developments in Iraq, new routes through Kermanshah and Kurdistan provinces are used both for smuggling drugs and firearms
Also (example):
http://theiranproject.com/blog/2013/11/05/security-forces-bust-gang-of-drug-traffickers-armed-bandits-in-kerman-province/
Tim V
15 Dec, 2013 – 6:12 pm
Tim
Since we have strong links to Faverges now: Since we know that this was a biker. Since we know that he was seen ABOVE the layup (murder scene).
Did you never think about the idea that Sahin was using the Faverges side of Route Col d’Ire?
This is an easy task todo e.g. with a motocross bike or with another light motorbike.
Eric never told us the type of the motorbike, did he? Did he ever say that the efit robot used e.g. a kawasaki 250 or 500?
Maybe this was a KTM 125 motocross bike?
I believe that the forestry workers should be bright enough to see the difference between a 125 and a 500.
My strong guess is that the biker had used the Faverges side of Col d’Ire.
What Martin said or told is BS anyway since he is (in our opinion) a setup witness (MI6).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siA04SouqFM
Tim v.
This is for you. Just to see the type of bike that one can use for the Faverges side of route Col d’Ire.
Tim v.
Off road motorbiking (Faverges side).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJiNzbFYxqU
That’s just to mention the political and criminal connections:
http://www.aina.org/news/20130928133531.htm
TEHRAN — Fighters of the Kurdistan Workers Party killed 17 terrorists affiliated to the Al-Qaeda-linked Al-Nusra Front in the Northeastern province of Hassakeh.The clashe broke out in Al-Mabroukeh region of Hassakeh city when the al-Nusra terrorists were attempting to infiltrate the area under the control of the Kurdish fighters, FNA dispatches said on Saturday.A notorious Al-Nusra terrorist named Bassel Badvi was among the militants killed in th heavy clashes with the KWP.Hassakeh is home to a large Syrian Kurdish population.Around 30,000 Syrians, a vast majority of them Kurds, have fled the region in recent days and crossed the border to the self-ruled Kurdish region in Northern Iraq.The fighting between Kurds and the foreign-backed militants in Syria has sharply escalated in recent months, with Kurdish fighters inflicting heavy losses on the terrorists.Syria’s unrest has spilled across the Iraqi frontier, with Al-Nusra Front terrorist group merging this year with Iraq’s branch of Al-Qaeda.On the Iraqi side of the border, Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility for repeated bombings targeting civilians and the security forces that have brought violence to levels unseen in more than five years.
The political impact surrounding the Chevaline murders would be huge, particularly in the UK.
From NATO officials and Turkush politiciand involved in the drugs business up to the attempted Pope assassination. If the “Godfather” would start talking, no single stone woulf br left on another in the UK and in NATO.
Therefore the attempted secrecy regarding chevaline is a reasonable result.
I recommend to read the complete link.
Background of chevaline: local vendetta of PKK Baybasin clan with local family (Zaid says “powerful family”).
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/mar/28/drugsandalcohol.ukcrime
Rumours have swirled around the Baybasins. Some believed they were helping MI5 to keep a close eye on PKK activists among the Kurdish community centred on Harringay in north London; others suspected they were in the employ of some foreign intelligence service. The Baybasins have long operated in that murky corner where the worlds of politics, intelligence gathering and serious crime can intersect. There is reason to believe that MI5 asked for their help after the 7/7 bombings, while relatives of Huseyin say they have been asked to help Spanish and Dutch intelligence officials. On one occasion, they claim, a Russian intelligence officer came to London to ask them to help assassinate a pair of Chechens living in a hotel in Istanbul, a request which they say they declined.
Huseyin Baybasin would have been a precious asset for customs at the time that he was allegedly recruited as an informer, as he would have been privy to many of the secrets of those figures who inhabit what is known in Turkey as the Gizli Devlet, or Deep State: the politicians, police officers and intelligence officials involved in large-scale heroin trafficking. Much is now known about this Turkish netherworld, in part because of an extraordinary incident in November 1996 in which four people – the head of the country’s counter-terrorist police, a beauty queen with criminal connections, a Kurdish politician known to be arming militia groups, and a heroin trafficker – were all killed when the Mercedes 600 in which they were travelling slammed into a truck.The heroin trafficker, a man linked to the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II, was carrying a police identity card. Two months later a court in Germany found that Tansu Ciller, former prime minister of Turkey, had been protecting heroin traffickers, an accusation that prompted official protests from Ankara.
In a series of prison interviews he alleged that he had received the assistance of Turkish embassies and consulates while moving huge consignments of drugs around Europe, and that Turkish army officers serving with Nato in Belgium were also involved. “The government kept all doors open for us,” he said. “We could do as we pleased.”
They also appeared to have been influenced by Hollywood: people who were clearly in awe would enter the room, kiss Abdullah’s hand, and then retreat as he spoke in a whisper to one of his aides. Watching the surveillance video was, at times, “like watching a scene from The Godfather”, said Mr Plummer.
Last month, 10 members of the gang were jailed at Woolwich crown court in south-east London for up to 15 years for blackmail, arson and firearms offences. A further six men were jailed for up to nine years for conspiring to supply heroin.Abdullah Baybasin is due to be sentenced at Woolwich crown court for the drugs and blackmail offences on Friday.
Furtheron: Of course we must consider that Zaid AH meant the Baybasin clan as to be that “government protected powerful family in the chevaline area”. Their (read link above) connections with MI5 and other intelligence services might make them powerful indeed, even in the Annecy region.
I trust that the evidence we had collected regarding the local vendetta is thick enough to consider that ZAH is actually talking the TRUTH here.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/8675
Just some vocabulary info: KADEK=PKK
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pkk-threatens-france-after-detention-of-leader-in-europe-.aspx
Blue….
But I don’t “see” that WBM was lying.
I think he was “asked” to with hold information by the French.
And that is the puzzle.
You see, if the French did that, then they know more.
Al Hilli may have been the target.
Mollier may have been the target.
Both… I no longer consider possible.
BUT I think it is PKK related.
I think things got out of hand at The Martinet.
I don’t think there was a “BMW X5” there at all. (That’s a ploy).
@ James 16 Dec, 2013 – 7:15 pm
Ok James, if there was no BMW X5 and it is all a ploy . . . . .
Who instigated it and why?
My initial guesses are as follows:-
1) The ONF witness is honestly mistaken (e.g. drunk or confused)
2) The ONF witness is an attention seeking fantasist who embelished his account.
3) The ONF witness invented it to misdirect Police for some reason. (e.g. his own involvement)
4) The ONF witness has been suborned by the French Police.
5) The ONF witness has been suborned by the French Security Services.
I guess that you think options 4 or 5 are likely.
However, I cannot come up with a seriously plausible reason to essentially open up another piste when there are so many to chose from already.
I can see the French Police using it as a short term misdirection tactic but they seem committed to it with the appeal etc.
So, what is the ploy for?
GIP…
There was only ONE guy that saw the BMW.
Did ONF2 see it ?
ONF 1’s interview seems to claim he didn’t.
Did Martin see it ?
His interviews clearly state only one 4×4
Did Bossy/Didierjean/whoever see it ?
Nothing is mentioned
So IF it did happen to be there…only one person saw it.
And worse (on road tyres) it drove across the mountain passes !
And “hey”, I don’t know what the answer is. I am just pointing out the things we know….or “know” !
I think there are strange things going on in “The Alpes”.
A fair few murders.
….and nada.
What happened to Nicole Communal-Tournier ? Still no killer found ?
We talk a lot about France here on this thread. I wanted to share with you what the current mood is in France. The powerful families will surely find a way to ride this storm out, but even for them it must surely hurt to see Germany do so much better [When you know how proud the French are].
@ James
I am on-board for most of what you wrote, especially the strange goings-on in the area – it sounds like banjo-country to me.
Having said that, there are some aspects of the 4×4 story that merit a second thought.
Sure, as far as we know, it is single sourced.
However, I think that the origin of the 4×4 story is early – remember the dark Pajero they were looking for within hours of the murders? It may be that there were fragmentory and conflicting reports and therefore they chose to focus on stronger leads.
If it was actually an early report then there seems less likelyhood of it being a ploy by some agency.
Then there is the view that EM was ‘pushed’ into launching the public appeal for information about the putative 4×4.
Perversely this seems to increase its weight as EM does seem to want to keep the key pieces of evidence under his hat. My guess is that the ONF guy was the most coherent witness so they used his sighting as the basis for the appeal.
As to it possibly driving over the mountain passes, that suggestion came from the same ONF guy I seem to remember.
Well now, he should know if it is possible, shouldn’t he?
I mean, the ONF guy drives those roads daily in a much lower spec vehicle. I know the X5 is a ‘Chelsea Tractor’ and it probably had road tyres on nancy alloys but the fundamentals are there, long suspension travel, 4WD and power.
If the driver was willing to trash the alloys and the sump then I think it was do-able at that time of year.
So let’s for the moment assume he wasn’t Mr N. O. Common-Sense on some GPS navigation system prompted jaunt.
Now to trash your German pride-and-joy instead of turning back you would need some fear behind you. Possibly provided by some Luger waving loon or the blue flashing lights in your rear view mirror?
Either that or it was a company car.
Good in Paris and James
We only know what Eric told us but he didnt tell everything.
What bike did the efit robot use? 500, 250, 125, 125 motocross?
No word. Very unusual that they dont tell such important things. The ONF should be bright enough to identify a bike.
No names of the ONF released. No interviews. While they interviewed housewives and builders releasing their full names there are no names and no interviews of the ONF.
Was J.P. Communal Tournier one of these ONFs and was that the link Eric forced to connect the two events? J.P. Communal Tournier is the head of “bois” and forestry in the municipality of Lathuile/Doussard/Chevaline. There is a certain likelyhood that he was there.
Then the british plate of the BMW.
Baybasin’s top aides would certainly come from London. They have local aides there (Havutcu) but big business and big things are always being done by top aides.
We could speculate that there was a meeting point at the layby.
Who did meet whom we dont know. However, due to the efit we can assume that there were people who were closely connected with the Paris triple murder, using a bike.
Something went wrong at the layby. We dont know about what has happened there but we know about who was there and we know about who is being protected as ZAH rightly had said. And we know about why all the locals are quiet and afraid of talking, Eric inclusive.
Once again (in regards to ONF and the motorbike):
http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24476627
Panorama has tracked down a witness who suggests the killer was not acting alone.A forestry worker coming down from a nearby mountain just minutes before the shooting has never spoken publicly before.He drove me along the same route but does not want to be identified for fear of the killer still at large.”When I arrived there was a motorbike pulling in to the parking area. I passed the parking and the motorbike was on the left here,” he said.”I remember it well, it was white, white and black, with panniers on either side.”The rider was all in black [and] his visor was completely closed.”He also saw a British car driven by someone who seems to have been an accomplice.”He arrived on the left and he passed really quickly. The car was a BMW 4×4, X5, grey metallic, in good condition.”It was a right hand drive, English. I didn’t get much of a look at him but the driver was slightly bald and he had dark skin, no glasses.”Ten minutes later, two of his colleagues driving down the same road saw the motorbike up the hill from the parking area beyond where motor vehicles were not allowed to go.”They told me they passed the motorbike I had passed at Place Martinet – two bends further up.”They had words with him because motor vehicles aren’t allowed. So they called out to him and asked him to drive down. They saw his face because he lifted his helmet…he had a bit of a beard.”This seems to suggest that at least two people acted together – one carrying out surveillance, the other the hitman.The French prosecutor, Eric Maillaud, has said there is no evidence as to who the hitman or his accomplices were.
French police have traced all the vehicles in the area that day except two – the motorbike and the grey four-by-four. They are still searching for them.
@ bluebird
Yeah “the british plate of the BMW”
About that, I am really conflicted, because on the one hand it fits with one of my mistaken identity theories (i.e. BMW X5 driver really the target).
But when you go back to the appeal announcement and what the ONF guy actually said in the Panorama documentary it was just “right hand drive” with the presumption of Brit plates.
I think it may have been Irish plated.
We should consider what Catherine Jeanin said about the motor cyclist.
It is most likely that he was coming from the Faverges side of the mountain and leaving into that direction again.
@GiP: yes. The X5 isnt necessarily owned by the perpetrators. They could have been late, seen the mess, and run away. Quite a possibility.
Google translation:
The exact time at which the Al-Hilli family left camping Solitaire du Lac, Saint-Jorioz, September 5 is not known, two masons who restore a cottage Chevaline at 857, route de Combe d’Ire, ensure having them pass “to 15 hours, maybe a little later.” Both men have seen the break BMW plum color, and remember that their driver “was a nod.” Like to thank them from spreading to the arrival of the car, because the site encroached a little on the floor. Another witness, just opposite the farm owner Ducher of the family, who was on his balcony. She did not see the car mount. Nobody saw pass either the cyclist Sylvain Mollier, perhaps mounted by road from Mill on the other side of the valley. Neither the British cyclist who first discovered the body. As the famous 4 x 4 green seen by some witnesses, it could be one of many vehicles from the National Board of Forestry, very present in this massif.Les police also interviewed a farmer with 70 cows, installed Chérel neck at the top of the road from the Combe d’Ire, whether he had seen something. “My husband just saw a motorcycle. It happens from time to time. The driver even stopped to let the flock. It does not seem in a hurry, “says Catherine Jeanin.
Original:
Si l’heure exacte à laquelle la famille Al-Hilli a quitté le camping du Solitaire du Lac, à Saint-Jorioz, le 5 septembre n’est pas connue, deux ouvriers maçons qui restaurent un chalet à Chevaline, au 857, route de la Combe-d’Ire, assurent les avoir vus passer « vers 15 heures, peut-être un peu plus tard ». Les deux hommes ont bien vu le break BMW couleur prune, et se souviennent que le conducteur leur « a fait un signe de la tête ». Comme pour les remercier de s’écarter à l’arrivée de la voiture, car le chantier empiétait un peu sur la chaussée. Autre témoin, juste en face, la propriétaire de la ferme de la famille Ducher, qui était sur son balcon. Elle n’a pas vu la voiture monter. Personne n’a vu passer non plus le cycliste Sylvain Mollier, peut-être monté par la route du Moulin, de l’autre côté de la combe. Ni le cycliste britannique qui a découvert le premier les corps. Quant au fameux 4 x 4 vert aperçu par certains témoins, il pourrait s’agir d’un des nombreux véhicules de l’Office national des forêts, très présents dans ce massif.Les gendarmes ont aussi interrogé un éleveur avec 70 vaches, installé au col de Chérel, au sommet de la route venant de la Combe-d’Ire, pour savoir s’il avait vu quelque chose. « Mon mari a juste vu une moto. Il en passe de temps en temps. Le pilote s’est même arrêté pour laisser passer le troupeau. Il n’avait pas l’air pressé », confie Catherine Jeanin.
http://m.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/la-tuerie-de-chevaline-a-l-epreuve-du-chronometre-13-09-2012-2162933.php