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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Good In Parts

    @ Bluebird 8:19pm

    “It rather looks that something got hidden with the felt pen. Maybe a baseball cap with a logo that we arent allowed to see.”

    I have thought further about this, still don’t think it could be a baseball cap because of the top of his hair being visible and no obvious shading from a peak.

    However one thing that could fit would be a sweatband.

  • bluebird

    GiP
    I believe that the top of his head is felt pen, too. What is this object over the top of his head that looks like the glory sun of Jesus? Is this a wig from the tree in the background?
    It looks like showing the same curve like his upper head.

    Also when enlarging the left side of the picture it looks like his face is somehow mirrored to the left. Maybe this is just a fata morgana but it looks like his face and body had been cut and cropped in photoshop and slighly moved to the right of the original picture, leaving a fraction of an inch of the original picture/face on the left.

  • Q

    I was reading an article on the Laser Megajoule project in Bordeaux, and decided to check back in here to see if the dedicated team is still forging on. Happy 2014, one and all.

  • Tim V

    Nice to see your mark, Q. We chew only bones here now although we have taken a leaf out of Sherlock recently. The police investigation must be the most expensive and ineffective of all time. If nothing else, it should make the Guinness Book of Records. Happy New Year to you.

  • Tim V

    Good In Parts
    2 Jan, 2014 – 10:21 am don’t think these reconstructions can be relied upon at all. In this one where is the transport for the killer? It’s not the motor cyclist is it? No helmet. This one has a hoodie. And as far as SM in that photo is concerned, that’s a football (not rugby) shirt and a football net behind. As I mentioned before the photo must be at least twenty years old – i e early 80’s I would say. I’ll put my money on a college he attended or perhaps an early works team.

  • bluebird

    Tim
    He looks like to be in his mid 20tees in that picture. Certainly not younger than that for sure.
    He was in his mid 40tees in 2012.
    2012-20= 1992

    The photo therefore must be taken in the early to mid 1990tees.

    It could be a fence, too. That place seems to be in the middle of a town and somewhat higher than the level of that town/village. Either a small hill or a roof of a building. Perhaps this is no town but a factory or an army camp. I dont know.
    However, the level of where SM stand is much higher than the ground level of the building and the trees in the background.
    My guess is a flat roof of a building. Therefore this could be a fence.

    Soccer shirt? Perhaps.
    Perhaps this is an army training. They could wear such t-shirts in the army for sports, too.
    My first guess was that this is a prison.
    So you can see that there are a lot of possibilities.
    I am not that convinced regarding a ball game. Can you imagine where the ball would end in that background if there were no huge fence? They would probably need a car to bring that ball back to the game court.
    It doesnt look like a soccet field to me. Maybe a place for futsal or training. But no soccer and no rugby.

  • Good In Parts

    @ Tim V 4 Jan, 2014 – 11:18 pm

    “don’t think these reconstructions can be relied upon at all. In this one where is the transport for the killer? It’s not the motor cyclist is it? No helmet. This one has a hoodie.”

    You are right, they cannot be relied upon. But this particular one, shot recently at the crime scene should, at the very least, be more accurate than the early ones.

    Essentially, I am hoping that the journalists who have the benefit of EM’s post press conference, off-the-record, briefings as well as other sources will have ‘leaked’ the most likely scenario.

    So, the short clip we have seen includes the following:-

    The shooter “came from above Le Martinet”

    The shooter “was behind the sign”

    Consistent with a round being found outside the taped off area.

    Consistent with a blindspot in the sightline hiding SM approach.

    Ambiguity about the identity of the shooter (i.e. not MC1)

  • bluebird

    Thanks for the link Katie. Larger photo indeed.

    Can somebody read the words on his sports dress?
    ….. d’etablisse…… ?

  • bluebird

    Quote
    “…. an explosion in an oven used to melt metallic waste …”

    …. metal workers injured …

  • katie

    BB.

    The shirt he’s wearing would appear not to be an official team shirt,if it were surely the pic would come up on TinEye which it doesn’t.
    In fact I find it odd that nothing relating to that pic can be found…yet the original one we had thought to be Mollier is all over Google images.

  • bluebird

    Katie
    Not a football team playing a league but a football team representing a big company.
    The imprint on that dress says it all.
    Most bigger companies are running their own football teams, ski teams, bowling teams, tennis teams for their employees etc.
    This is ni sponsorship for a league team but often created by the unions for their workers.

  • katie

    BB.
    My point is that if he played for a club of any kind there would be official photos & team names.All to be found in an image search engine or Google.

    Don’t you think he looks like a young Saad ?

  • Tim V

    Good In Parts
    5 Jan, 2014 – 5:05 am – I keep an open mind about everything. I am aware that news channels are, by and large just THAT. They CHANNEL the news from the source, and the “source” in this case, as with so many other is Government agencies. The con resides in the fact that the news agencies (papers and TV) purport to be independent and investigative, when in fact by and large just replicate what they are being told. So I agree with you. Any TV representation is important for what it says, particularly fourteen or fifteen months after the event. But it is more illuminating as to what government wants us to think than what actually happened. I should add the rider that what the government wants us to think MAY be the truth, but it cannot be relied upon. I have no doubt that the early graphics that uniformly placed SM’s body and bike to the front off side (RHS looking forward) were not just figments of editors’ imagination. They were what the the police/SS wanted the story to be. Similarly the graphics and theory that the BMW did a big reverse turn leaving skid marks, which was clearly impossible for all the reasons I have given, including not least that the cap was where it was on the fascia. We had Panorama that introduced not one but TWO forestry vehicles (and 3 employees!) and two sightings of the motor cyclist. (Oh what contradictory logistics that caused) Now we have a French version that dumps the motor cyclist – persistently the favourite Maillaud pet theory for killer – for a hooded assassin approaching down the tributary and crouching behind the sign, with no evidence of transport at all. Do we presume he had his car parked further up, or indeed that he might in fact be the mysterious Peugeot 2/305 driver? Whatever the explanation, I treat this suggestion with huge scepticism. Why? Because both motor cyclist, BMW X5 and ONF vehicles and personnel and the timing of their movements, have been written out altogether. As always I suggest we pose the question, not did the film portray an accurate representation of what happened, but why French Government “sources” want us to believe that new one, particularly as it differs so much from earlier ones?

  • Tim V

    Bluebird
    5 Jan, 2014 – 12:07 am I agree I was probably a bit previous on my mistake calculation. But not by much! He was I think 45 when he was killed in 2012. If as he appears to be under 25 in the photo the very latest date for it would be 1992 as you say. But he could be younger than 25, perhaps as young as 18 at a push, which could take the photo date back to ’85. Rugby shirts usually but not invariably have collars whilst for football shirts the reverse is true. The lattice pattern behind him is too thin and irregular for fencing I would suggest but typical either of football goal netting or perhaps netting of a different sort to prevent free flying balls going over the boundary. It’s obviously too large for small ball sports such as golf. The large building behind appears commercial or educational. A sports field could fit either. From this I deduced that it was either a college or works team he was involved with although individual photos rather than team ones are unusual in this context. Who took the photo? A male or female? The latter more likely I would suggest. Maybe just a training session with g/f in tow? After all he was attractive to women we are told and from this photo, if it is SM, it is not difficult to see why. However the SIGNIFICANT fact is that it is an OLD photo, meaning that the police/family thought it safe and are still reluctant to publish an accurate, up-to-date likeness. Why this is should be the question we should focus on maybe.

  • Tim V

    Pink
    2 Jan, 2014 – 7:34 pm – sorry to pick up on this but just think. If the shooter did indeed come from there, and car parked face in as you suggest, the car would either be between him and the standing group in the middle or the driver would immediately be on his side. Either way the scenario just doesn’t work. In the former how would SAH get back to the car under fire and then carry out an impossible manoeuvre; or if the latter and he fired those driver side shots whilst SAH was still in it, he wouldn’t have got very far, would he?Then you have to account for hit marks on the front windscreen. At what point would they have been made if the killer approached from the rear of the car. For multiple reasons, SAH’s car was NEVER pointing in at the top of the lay-by and was always rear-end in at the bottom. But why would the police propagate what they must know is an impossible interpretation of events?

  • Pink

    @Tim Thats what I was saying probably not very well if the shooter was by the sign he would have been able to shoot at SAH easily if SAH was at the sign too, so SAH would have been shot more than the once in the back,it would make more sense SAH taking Zainabs hand and running towards the car on the other side ,then I wonder how the shooter would have got around the car to shoot SAH through the window, I wouldn’t run around a moving car in case it got moving forward ,he had to think fast surely he wouldn’t be able to know the car would not get some forward movement?
    So next I would then think SAH was shot through the passenger window that would not end up with shots at the windscreen either though would it?
    I have no idea what happened but somehow we have to account for one shot to SAH in the back before he regains the car and Sm being hit/dragged by the car after Sm was shot ,so the car must have moved from somewhere.

    Early on my gut feeling was that the shooter had come down the gully when I was trying to imagine what might have happened or what would seem likely, as I say I moved away from it.

    Some of the speculation at MZT was that the shooter came around the bend and started shooting at Sm and was not able to see the the car pulled in by the sign until he got closer as his view would be obscured, now that would make more sense as then he would be shooting at SAH from the back as he tries to get in the car,the car reverses so could get a distance shot at the front and drag SM but how does the shooter get around the car to shoot SAH through the drivers window and how does Zainab get where she ended up,In this case shooting through the passenger window again would make sense for SAH I cant picture how Zainab would end up where she did.

  • bluebird

    Tim v.
    As you can read above, the imprint on SM’s dress clearly says:

    Comité d’établissement Ugine S.A

    So then this is the dress of the soccer team of the company Ugine S.A.
    And tge court where this picture was taken is on a much higher level than the trees and the second floor of the building in the background

  • Pink

    In the france 2 prog there is a complete picture that SM was cropped from, it is a team of 6 with the same shirts as SM and one other man in a rugby type shirt who I assume was goalkeeper .
    Looking for teams that size handball seems to be the most likely.

  • Mary

    Sorry to butt in but could someone please test squonk.tk where the remainders of Craig’s blog are residing to see if they can get it up. All morning I have been getting a DNS message. Thanks.

    http://squonk.tk

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