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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Kenneth Sorensen

    I think it is rather naive to expect ‘Brett Martin’ to use the same name that he is presented with in the media, in connection with any ‘security services’ (if he is involved with such) because IF he uses the same name both places I thibk we can agree that he is a rather lousy agent not worth taxpayers money!

  • dave brooker

    “Silver Fern”

    “Why would this small husband & wife business on the South Coast where the family have lived since 1997 and raised a family, with local “web designers” for their business, be registered in South Ken, and come to have accountants there??”

    Because it’s an of the shelf company they brought of said accountants who seem to specialise in company formations?

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    @Katie
    Thats the first time we hear that Saad should be member of a team on the Le Mans racing track. What’s next? [Could explain his many visits to France]

    For sure they have a BMW team there, but…..

  • Ferret

    @Kenneth

    Good point. Personally I have searched for William Brett, Brett Martin, and Martin Brett as well, being reasonable rearrangements of his names. Oh, and Brett or Martin William(s).

  • Katie

    So did AH go to Le Mans or did they have cycle races & called them Lemans ?

    I see messages from some French mourners too, maybe they are campsite people or did he have French friends ?
    Journalists have no shame, I Shreen Ayob along with Dom Go asking people to contact them.

    “Tribute request from reporter: If you knew Mr Saad al-Hilli and want to pay a public tribute to him please contact me at ibtimes.co.uk Email is: [email protected] Phone 0207 718 8592.”

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Saad-al-Hilli-and-Family-God-bless-your-two-daughters/419120754803049

  • Ferret

    And Elekta… is this Saad or Iqbal who’s thought to have been a colleague there? Or is it ambiguous?

  • Katie

    How about this message:

    Mesbah Ihsan
    Mr Saad, you were a high profile arab scientiest who asked and got the MI5 protection from fear of elimination by Mossad (just like the 125-150+ eliminated iraqi scientiest since the iraqi collapse), sorry it still turned this way….God bless and be with your daughters and all…thank you for all your hard work. Merci

  • Ferret

    @Peter

    Thanks – that answers my question about Elekta – and Le Mans at one stroke!

    🙂

  • Katie

    I find this entry interesting.

    For those who don’t know, muslims believe we were are all born muslim,so those who are brought up in other faiths & CONvert to Islam are called REverts…….remember the changes AH made in the months before he died, after ignoring his muslim roots for so long could he have he Reverted & become religious again ?

    TheReverts Channel
    Such a sad story .. I pray to God that the little girls have a blessed life without their parents and may they all be united in heaven one day.

    Amen
    Like · · September 7 at 1:07am via mobile
    6 people like this.

    Saba Siddiqui Ameen..
    September 7 at 8:07am · Like

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    September 7 at 11:14pm · Like · 1

    Dara Ahmed Ameen
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    A family who surely knew him ?

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Saad-al-Hilli-and-Family-God-bless-your-two-daughters/419120754803049

  • Katie

    Excellent work Peter.

    Serbian connection ???

    “Serbian criminal analyst Marc Drijoux believes the attackers are from the Balkans, and are likely to be hired killers who once served in the notorious UDBA, former Yugoslavia’s secret police.”

    “Mr Drijoux said that the modus operandi of the killings suggested the work of a former paramilitary recruited by the Serbian mafia.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213013/Alps-murder-carried-brutal-rigour-suspect-found.html#ixzz28PX9DbIt
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  • Peter

    IMHO, the identification of the *single* gun used as a pre-1945 Swiss Army Luger (if confirmed) is the news of the day.

    Cette découverte laisse perplexe les enquêteurs car ce type d’armes ne correspond pas à celles utilisées par le milieu du grand banditisme.

    I am waiting with bated breath for CAPSLOCK7777 to explain why the use of that type of museum piece conclusively proves that a Mossad Kidon team committed these murders, that this is their signature weapon etc. etc.

  • Katie

    Well we are getting closer to my theory of the ‘mob’.

    The dirty underworld settling an old score ……… heading right back to the Iraqis & Saddam.

  • Ferret

    @Bluebird

    Thanks for confirming the beamline/Elekta link… I was suspecting that was coming. And thanks Peter for confirming its significance.

  • Peter

    @ Katie

    The Daily Mail journo cribbed that non-interview (meaning that the DM did not interview that Serbian criminal analyst, they just wrote their piece to make it look as if they had) from some obscure “Voice of the Balkans” newspaper. I already read that interview a few days ago but didn’t think it worth mentioning.

  • Ferret

    @Katie

    Well we are getting closer to my theory of the ‘mob’.

    Whoa there… you actually PREDICTED the mob yesterday, didn’t you?

    Maybe you should start writing D Notices!!

    Interesting that today’s mainstream media contains speculation about Serbian mafia, ex-Serbian special forces, etc, etc… And that they find such speculation interesting enough to put into an article, just because some “expert” says so, based on the (apparently false) idea that it was a Skorpion weapon…

    And yet no parallel speculation appears about Mossad Kidon teams, despite the fact that 7.65mm is their standard issue (today’s announcement notwithstanding).

    So I would hope the idea (which I believe has been promulgated here) that rank speculation about the organisation that did it isn’t interesting enough to include in a newspaper article, can safely be laid to rest.

  • Thomas

    @Katie
    5 Oct, 2012 – 8:56 am

    His work with Elekta is interesting. The theory that he was protected by the RAF-guy is also mentioned by this poster. It´s the same poster that I have referred to before, who seems to know people at Elekta, and also informed that Suhaila was working as a headnurse in Palestina/Israel, and was pro-PLO at that time.
    I have read the previous posts by the person, and I believe strongly that it´s not somebody who try to mislead. But it´s of course not confirmed info, some is speculations.

    By google translate:

    “Saad al-Hilli was not particularly political or religious, he lived for his science, he was sharp, he was proUK and EU but dismissed U.S..

    He worked as a consultant among others for Swedish Elekta in UK which manufactures laser beam blades and also to a British satellite company. He was the star of which the companies were dependent.

    R.I.P. from his colleagues at Elekta has now disappeared on FB.

    I think we are talking about the development of laser weapons, perhaps on satellites.

    He was supervised state media, moderate released misinformation by the authorities, I think he had a bodyguard protection, the dead RAF guy was his bodyguard on holiday.

    He tried to have a relaxing secret holiday with his family on an anonymous camp upon. Why did he not on vacation to some of their houses?

    If we are to find the responsible for the murders so I think we should look east. Guess where?

    The development of these kinds of weapons by NATO would upset the balance of power in the world.

    All authorities in the EU has now imposed strict restrictions on the media and we will probably never know the truth.”

    https://www.flashback.org/sp39251819

    Personally I think this is not the complete picture of al-Hilli- but might as well be the way he wanted to be seen, ie not so political or religious, proUK etc.

    And I also believe that Mollier was at the same location as al-Hilli in a remote place, was no coincidence.

    The speculations of the laser weapons and so on seems a little bit far away. There are other alternatives why he was killed.

  • Ferret

    @Peter

    The Luger is not a “museum piece” as you would have it and, given your claimed expertise in counter-terrorism one would have expected greater accuracy from you in particular.

    As I am sure you are well aware, it was standard issue to Swiss servicemen for a large number of years and a great number are still floating around Switzerland.

    Not many people know that despite being a neutral country and not having fought a war for over 150 years, Switzerland has compulsory military service for all males and guns are therefore very common.

    And the Luger was standard issue for a large number of years, I’m sure you can fill us all in on the details.

    Also, perhaps you could speculate on the effect a Luger on a human head? I would have thought that with its superior firepower (compared to a 7.65mm Beretta) it would cause a large exit wound, particularly from close range, and we would therefore expect a large amount of blood and tissue in (and possibly around) the car?

    And, what are the prospects of silencing such a weapon?

  • dave brooker

    “For those who don’t know, muslims believe we were are all born muslim,so those who are brought up in other faiths & CONvert to Islam are called REverts…….remember the changes AH made in the months before he died, after ignoring his muslim roots for so long could he have he Reverted & become religious again ?”

    Perhaps he was Jewish, “In the early 1970s, bowing to international pressure, the Iraqi government allowed most of the remaining Jews to emigrate.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iraq

    Al-hilli publically goes all Islamic and Iran got sent a batch of duff zirconium?

    The funerals will give us the answer.

  • Ferret

    @Everyone

    And perhaps we should wait until there has been an official announcement from the prosecutor about the murder weapon before jumping to conclusions?

    That article Peter linked to seemed very thin on facts…

    Or did I miss something?

  • dopey

    Online translation of that article re the photos on the day.

    While the investigation tramples, an element came to bring a new lighting on the killings of Equine one. This week, the policemen showed to the villagers of the photos taken by the family Al hilli some minutes before the drama and rediscovered in the family vehicle, in order knowledge if witnesses could have noticed them. Clichés of vacation showing a visibly calm family, having taken the time to stop the car by the road, in front of a small nicely bloomed house to Arnand, a small hamlet of Doussard that adjoins Equine.

    A vacation cliché immortalizing a country scene, as some took thousands of tourists in High Known.

    A calm, ignorant family all of the danger that awaited it.

    A picture that seems to show, especially, that the family was unaware of all of the disastrous destiny that awaited it in the coomb of Ire.

    According to the witnesses that were able to see these clichés, the date and the hour figured on the pictures. Of the news that allowed the investigators to restore precisely the trip of the Al hilli between the camping of Holy jorioz and the parking lot of the Martinet, where unfolded itself the slaughter.

    These banal photos of family on vacation seem in any case not very compatible with the tracks done of Saad Al hilli a stalked man, and come in High Known to flee an eventual threat

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