The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
On behalf of everyone, welcome
Ermelinda
7 Mar, 2014 – 9:37 am, and
Jacob
7 Mar, 2014 – 11:01 am. Look forward to your contributions.
Could I just point out that on the DM photos (where would we have been without them?) it appears there are TWO areas of dark (blood?) staining quite close together.
I have always interpreted this as collaboration of the early lab report that SM was shot in two distinct phases: once (as he tried to escape?) in the back; then returning to deliver fatal shots to the head. In other words he was felled, possibly by being struck by the killers’ vehicle, causing the broken ribs, then as he attempted to run, shot in the back, felling him partially incapacitated and bleeding, where he managed to drag himself a little way. (The staining pattern supports this)
Now WBM (or someone else?) moves him just a few feet, but not to protect him from the car. (As I have pointed out many times neither the location of car and body, or the fact that by this time he had established there was no life to save, supports this proposition). In this final position the large stain is created. Only SM could have produced these massive ground stains. Once moved this is where he remains to bleed from probably mainly his heart injury, leaving the larger stain on the ground.
True Zainab we are told was hit but the evidence as to how much she bled is directly conflicting between WBM and PD/B. In any event she is much smaller and her injuries were non fatal. Neither does WBM’s report support Zainab was that far back as he says she was out front. Nor can the escaping SAH, given that he managed to get back to the car given rise to the ground staining. Whatever the ground staining indicates we can be fairly sure it relates to SM.
Again his evidence that he moved Zainab to a place of safety is questionable as no location other than the original one has even been suggested. Further it must have always been clear to WBM that the car was stuck in REVERSE not a forward gear. There was never any risk that it would go forward. Note the police misleading information to the press that “it was stuck”. It was stuck only in so far it could go no further BACK, not as was inferred he could not get out. This is a small but important distinction.
If the two recent photos with the dead Mollier in them are genuine, as I think we are fairly certain they are, it shows a neatly arranged body on its back. Neither a shooting, or collision or survival crawl would have resulted in this body posture. He points to clear interference for some reason or other, post mortem.
@NR 9:41 pm: Thanks for bringing that information forward again. This is why we got started on this journey, isn’t it? From the initial reports of a “British family” on a picnic getting gunned down, to the military types and the officials from the British embassy showing up at the scene with great haste, to the “British family” having connections to Iraq, to the careful fingertip search at the al-Hilli home in Claygate (in stark contrast to the lack of concern at the crime scene in France, where potential evidence may have been lost in the hurry to let reporters in), and even the Embassy officials quickly scooping up the little girls. Nothing made sense then, and it still doesn’t. This one must get a “fail” for the poor quality of the coverup. Maybe I should add that the “topless royal” photos only added to the interest in what was going on in France at the time.
If there is anyone who has ever had to contact a British embassy or consular office when they got in trouble overseas, it would be interesting to hear from you. From what I understand, it is not always easy to get these types on your side if you run into difficulties. Johnny-on-the-spot they are not. Obviously, this was one of the facts of the story that stands out. Thinking of citizens of other countries who have been murdered on vacation, with surviving families reporting that their embassies do little to help them in such circumstances. “Hung out to dry” is a phrase that comes to mind.
@Tim V 11:03 pm: Did you notice how William Brett Martin (not to be confused with William “Bill” Martin, the Man Who Never Was) is always conveniently ready to comment to reporters whenever they beckon, even though he was initially reported to be in hiding in fear for his life? Other witnesses aren’t around any more, not even Sylvie Lecoeur, who lived next door to the current forestry operations centre in a house where a possible white Peugeot 206 is currently parked, on the street that the Google man dared not walk down. I find that odd.
The mass murders of families are something that people do not forget easily. Thinking of two examples:
http://www.themurderedfamily.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Donnellys
Another stroll down memory lane, with regard to the background of the British ambassador, Sir Peter Ricketts, who became personally involved in the al-Hilli case:
http://downingstreetmemo.com/rickettstext.html
Seen here after the murders:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-live-blog-1307082
This paper must have been in progress in September 2012:
https://www.gov.uk/government/world-location-news/working-with-france-on-its-defence-white-paper
From the 2008 white paper:
https://rescommunis.wordpress.com/2008/06/19/space-in-the-french-white-paper-on-defence-and-national-security/
From the 2013 white paper:
http://www.chathamhouse.org/media/comment/view/191117
Q
7 Mar, 2014 – 2:46 pm
Q, i as once upon a time in the recent past organising a seminar of some kind in a former Eastern block country.
During this seminar, a rich american investor and businessman in his early 40tees suddenly died. We didnt know whether or not he had a stroke or if he was poisoned or killed since he died in his hotel room upstairs.
There was a local doctor coming from a nearby town and there were two policemen coming. Except for his name and that he was from LA we knew nothing about him. No relatives, no business collegues. We just learnt that he made some kind of strange investment business in jersey that wasnt all of it 100% legal.
It was strange that he had $ 80.000 in cash in his pocket (besides credit cards). I know that because i helped counting the money in his hotel room.
The next morning there came one guy from the US embassy to ask some questions. That’s all. At this point there was still not clear whether or not he died naturally or artificially.
And this was a rich and wealthy guy!
No US secret service, no FBI, nada!
It was all done by local police only.
That’s my experience. Hopefully helpful.
What is this strangely-blurred object on Sylvie Lecoeur’s street? Sorry, no prize to offer:
https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=Doussard,+France&hl=en&ll=45.762438,6.220686&spn=0.000915,0.002411&sll=51.013117,-114.074156&sspn=0.419037,1.234589&oq=doussar&hnear=Doussard,+Haute-Savoie,+Rhone-Alpes,+France&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=45.762438,6.220686&panoid=ouANJKwqMo_nFALpdyVgcg&cbp=12,135,,0,67.5
https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=Doussard,+France&hl=en&ll=45.762438,6.220686&spn=0.000915,0.002411&sll=51.013117,-114.074156&sspn=0.419037,1.234589&oq=doussar&hnear=Doussard,+Haute-Savoie,+Rhone-Alpes,+France&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=45.762438,6.220686&panoid=ouANJKwqMo_nFALpdyVgcg&cbp=12,315,,0,45
It looks like a vehicle with its doors open. I can understand when Google blurs the faces of people, or licence plates, but the entire vehicle? That’s odd. There is what looks like a black antenna on the front of the vehicle. There may be a rear spoiler on the vehicle, which could be a Peugeot 206 aftermarket spoiler like the one I found on eBay.
The road from the blurry car into the woods off Sylvie Lecoeur’s street is overgrown, but still passable. I see faint tire marks, so it seems still passable. Is this route used now by 4X4s, offroad motorcyles and utility service workers?
Q
I cannot see anything being blurred. Do you mean the three cars behind the fence of house number 33 ?
1 No mention of his links to the Security Services
2 No mention of his links to Iran
3 No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
4 No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing
he had none. i knew him well from the 1980s.
and from 3 weeks before his death when he confided his fears to me, by the side of the road on bikes.
the key fact to me now is the takeover of sstl by airbus a couple of months after the event of his death, which had been touted round british army camps as a commission/fee killing, even while he was in hearning distance of the touting. as far as i know my information has been ignored. he was a ‘muslim fiver’ descended from fatima, step daughter of mohamed. z…z…z…. fiver zahaddiyah, more yemeni than iraqi; his gf was probably a british yemni sailor in the 1st war, the first muslim settlers in this country in 1918, in gateshead. they obviously kept up their contacts in the me/iraq.
take care. he had two children whose future should be care….free. their uncle will see to that with religious devotion.
Tim, the car may well have been stuck in reverse, but it doesn’t alter the fact that BM did not know it couldn’t be put in a forward gear….why, because he didn’t know the driver was dead when he arrived. Or did he ?
I can’t see how when he says he didn’t go to the car until AFTER attending Mollier & Zainab.
@Gar – Welcome.
I am pretty sure the vast majority of contributors on here are very mindful of the two girls and would like to see justice done for their sake, so they can, in the future, have some closure.
I also hope that the majority of use are respectful to the Al-Hilli family. It seems to me that any disrespect has come from the authorities, in particular the French.
Could you elaborate on:
1) The SSTL/Airbus takeover and how/why it would be linked to these murders.
2) Who and why would anybody tout “round british army camps as a commission/fee killing”
@Tim – btw I think “Ermelinda” and “Jacob” are some form of spam posting.
What “gar” writes sounds logic and correlates with my ancestry research. I believe that he snd his insights are authentic.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatimah
Muslims in Yemen including Shafi’i (Sunni) majority and Zaydi (Shia) minority. Zaidi are sometimes called “Fiver Shia” instead of Twelver Shia because they recognize the first four of The Twelve Imams but accept Zayd ibn Ali as their “Fifth Imām” rather than his brother Muhammad al-Baqir. Shia–Sunni conflict in Yemen involves the Sa’dah insurgency.Both Shia and Sunni dissidents in Yemen have similar complaints about the government—cooperation with the American government and an alleged failure to following Sharia law — but it’s the Shia who have allegedly been singled out for government crackdown.During and after the US-led invasion of Iraq, members of the Zaidi-Shia community protested after Friday prayers every week outside mosques, particularly the Grand Mosque in Sana’a, during which they shouted anti-US and anti-Israeli slogans, and criticised the government’s close ties to America. These protests were led by ex-parliament member and Imam, Bader Eddine al-Houthi. In response the Yemeni government has implemented a campaign to crush “the Zaidi-Shia rebellion,” and harass journalists.These latest measures come as the government faces a Sunni rebellion with a similar motivation to the Zaydi discontent.
The Wahington Post reports that the body of Shaikh Muhammad Allaf, a Shiite cleric, was pulled from a car at the bottom of the Tigris, for all the world like the victim of a Mafia hit. Allaf was a clerical representative of Grand Ayatollah Muhammad Sa’id al-Hakim, a close associate of Ali Sistani. Other sourcesidentified Allaf (not Allaq) as a lieutenant of Sistani himself.] Al-Hakim issued a statement condemning the assassination through his son, Muhammad Husain. The Post adds,‘ A statement from the office of Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, Iraq’s most influential Shiite cleric, said insurgents were focusing on religious figures because they are easy prey. “The government is capable of protecting itself, so the insurgents are after soft targets,” Sistani’s statement said. ‘Several aides to Sistani himself have been assassinated in the past few months, and a huge bomb was found and dismantled near Sistani’s own home recently.
Sistani also condemned the government of Yemen for waging “a kind of war” against the Zaidi Shiites in that country.
http://www.juancole.com/2005/05/23-die-in-iraq-violence-shiite-cleric.html
Note: the zaidi shiites are the fivers.
I find two events interesting:
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL26448929?irpc=932
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_insurgency_in_Yemen
In February 2007, the government launched a major offensive against the rebels involving 30,000 troops.[18] By February 19, almost 200 members of the security forces and over 100 rebels had died in the fighting.[59] A further 160 rebels were killed in the subsequent two weeks.[60] A French student (only identified as ‘Patrick’) was also killed.[61]
On August 21 2012, clashes broke out between Houthis and tribes in Ash Shahil District of Hajjah after Houthis allegedly shot two women in the district. As the fighting broke out, Houthis retreated from al-Amroor area and retreated to the mountains between Janeb al-Sham and Janeb al-Yemen. Houthis were said to control several mountains in the region including mount Azzan and the governorate center that overlooks al-Mahabishah, Qafl Shamer and Ku’aydinah Districts. A truce was signed between the two sides on August 30.[147] Clashes reignited on September 6 and Houthis managed to seize control of five schools, a medical center and a police station. Some 30 people were killed in the battles.[148] Afterwards Houthis complaied of civilian areas being shelled by al-Islah, while MP Ali al-Ma’amari accused Houthis of killing a worker from Taiz.[149]In September and October, Houthis led may protests in Sana’a as part of the 2012 Anti-US protests caused by the release of Innocence of Muslims. Houthi slogans were hung all across the old city of Sana’a and Shi’a majority areas during the protests.
Note: Houthis are the fivers.
Spot on Katie
7 Mar, 2014 – 8:09 pm. WBM’s account is pretty weak on this point. Incredibly he claims that not until he got to the car did he realise it was a shooting. Up until then he claims he thought it was a car accident despite intimate contact with Zainab and even more important with Mollier who apparently with gunshot wounds to his head that surely could not have been confused. Remember his assessment wasn’t made at a distance but holding/moving both of them. My hunch is that he was never in any doubt what had happened from the beginning; that he was never afraid that the car would spring forward, used only as a cover for claiming to move bot ZAH and SM; and from the beginning knew that SAH and the other occupants were dead and incapable putting the car into forward gear. There is also a big question mark over WBM’s relationship with Zeena. If as we feel pretty sure he was MI5 “eyes and ears” he must have known there were two daughters in the car. Did he assume she was dead or did he play a part in having her removed. If so no wonder the British were anxious to keep everyone away from them until they were certain the truth would not be leaked.
Tim V, katie – I agree with the both of you. The reported sequence of actions by WBM should have sent BS detectors buzzing throughout the Versailles press. Of course, working for a naturally supine entity known as MSM, means that individual members of the press – even if brave, can only do so much. Most of the serious questioning of the narratives spread on the Chevaline case were done by non-MSM affiliated media, including, but not limited to this blog. Whether we agreed or not with the thrust of the MZT forum, we have to admit that commenters there did ask many pertinent questions over time. I also rather liked the questioning and speculations by Qui who posted both on MZT and as Booman. Early on there was david icke forum (which unfortunately ran out of juice), and a few other posts.
Tim V, I believe you are right about the story of WBM moving both SM and Zainab as that – necessary stories to justify any blood/DNA traces on him from either.
Of course, we remain puzzled about Zeena – no matter how many theories and conjectures we hear or make about her state of mind and non-actions for 8 hours, we must, at some point admit to ourselves that the official explanation just doesn’t sound right, and never did. We are forced to accept it because we have nothing else to go on.
As to your suggestion, Tim V, that WBM may have assumed Zeena was dead and/or removed Zeena from the vehicle – I am sure you remember those strange early accounts by the press reporting that one child was dead. Only to be revised later on, saying she was found.
Something may have transpired at the scene, something that involved WBM< to lead to that speculation – that a child was dead. Of course, WBM may have thought it was Zainab who was dead, and he was the one who took Zeena out of the car early on. Perhaps he has then worked it out with Phillip D/B who just arrived on the scene what to do with her. Could that be the role of the two mysterious women female friends of Bossy, ones who never spoke or were interviewed by anyone? may be it was their job to take care of Zeena until a decision was made how to present her near-miraculous survival to the press.
This BTW, tracks with my glint of suspicion that EM may have actually had some reason to present WBM at first as a "hero". In some way, unknown to us, he may have been, but we can't know the real reasons why. Which is why the official story later became the panicky WBM rather than the stoic/heroic one. They just couldn't piece together the "hero" line without giving away bits of the case that they didn't want to. the possibility is there that WBM came upon the scene while the killer(s) were still about and, being known to them as to his role as MI%, was able to prevail with regard to keeping Zainab away from further harm, and Zeena alive ("she is only 4! she won't remember a thing…now get out of here before it all blows up!").
These are just speculations, of course. it's just that there HAS to be a reason for WBM's stated sequence of actions. Something caused him to explain his actions in the order he did (SM first, then Zainab, then turn off car).
Note – Lynda on deadzone was kind enough to put up a link to than non-Elucide article summary. It’s in french but lends itself well to translation. I thanked her for that on their blog too.
http://telescoop.tv/browse/392431/non-elucide.html
Didn’t finish going through it and so far did not find anything major that’s new – it only purports to go through already disclosed information – but the recounting of the timings helped refresh my memory.
One point jumped at me right at the beginning: Bossy is cited confidently as the one making the call at 15:48, with the Pompiers arriving at around 16:05PM. Indeed I remember that when Phillip Bossy/Didierjean gave his account, the story was indeed told just so as to lead to that conclusion. Not that it was believed by people here at the time, but the idea was obviously to plant a solution to that inconvenient phone call timing.
Now wind forward 5 months and we have the panorama program, quite confidently placing WBM’s arrival upon the scene at 15:45. Of course, this knocks out the presumption of Phillip making that phone call right out of the water, given WBM’s admitted actions upon the scene followed by his encounter with PB. Even if PB made a phone call BEFORE going up to the martinet with WBM, there to spend 6-7 minutes with WBM, no way would the 13:48 call be consistent with WBM’s arrival of 13:45PM (with the shots fired at 15:40).
Of course, as Tim V would be the first to say, having gone over it several times, there was no way ever to make sense of the timings, as given by the french, where we have two brackets: a photo in Droussard at 13:15PM and a phone call at 13:48PM that brought the pompiers to the scene just after 16:00. Move the timings forward to solve one problem (ie, have the shots fired 5-10 minutes later) and you open a whole other problem (per Bossy’s testimony the phone call timings no longer consistent with WBM’s account of all that he did on the scene).
No wonder EM looks so sour in all his briefings. Not easy to live in the midst of ever more convoluted inconsistencies.
All that of course is necessitated by a need to have SAH arrive later than he did. I says to Maillaut – abandon that piste – find a way to explain the photo OR go with max’s ingenuous double trip scenario. At least it can connect some dots….(then let us have at that connection —)
Thanks for that Marlin, the more we scrutinise BM, the more it incriminates him.
Remember the gut feeling we all had after that very first interview of his, he came across as far too mechanical, no emotion, everything he said came across as scripted…a film scene.
I’m beginning to think, that whoever wrote those lines was trying to give Martin a human side,by making him appear caring & concerned for the victims = hero !
What they overlooked was a very logical & common sense fact…that being …. to limit further danger by alerting the driver, to get him to stop or even to help with the victims.
If a car was there with engine running I may even have thought it could go to get help .
BUT.
Bret Martin completely ignored the car, the driver & the noise of the engine, for how long whilst he attended Zainab ?
He also failed to check Saad’s pulse when reaching into the car yet he said he checked Molliers, who with 6 [?] bullets in him would have appeared just as dead as AH.
Who knows Bleb
7 Mar, 2014 – 8:31 pm?
@Bluebird 6:49 p.m.:
https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=Doussard,+France&hl=en&ll=45.762325,6.220847&spn=0.000711,0.00191&sll=51.013117,-114.074156&sspn=0.419037,1.234589&oq=doussar&hnear=Doussard,+Haute-Savoie,+Rhone-Alpes,+France&t=m&layer=c&cbll=45.762438,6.220686&panoid=ouANJKwqMo_nFALpdyVgcg&cbp=12,135,,0,45&z=19
Once it loads, hit the down arrow if you can’t see the vehicle blur.
Has anyone had a look at the doppelganger for the E-fit man yet? Is anyone familiar with what goes on in Virginia? Hint: same name as Bristol man.
Sensible points restated Marlin and Katie
8 Mar, 2014 – 10:28 pm. Now I throw in another idea I put up way back but may have been forgotten. You may think it a bit stupid but bear with me for a moment.
Are we, can we, be sure that the William Brett Martin is one and the same person who cycled up the Combe and discovered the aftermath?
What do we have to go on. There was the press release that might even have pre-dated Maillaud’s televised statement, I wouldn’t like to say. The early statement reeks of pre-planning, reminiscent Lee Harvey Oswald and the plotters in 9/11 despite a claim there was no intelligence of the attack.
So beside untrustworthy sources what corroboration is there that the man who appeared on the television a week later in Britain was the same individual who came on the scene?
Well PD/B would be able to confirm whether the man he met was the same person. Trouble is PD/B has never revealed himself and we can’t even be sure he really exists. We only have EM for him and an alleged interview with Parisien. The change of name and story undermines his credibility at least.
We may assume that the residents of Thiule would know if their neighbour was the same person who appeared on the screen, but this of itself does not guarantee that he was the one who came on the scene. Is there any other independent corroboration that our WBM is the same as the one described? Well SM would have been able perhaps to identify the man he passed, but he of course is dead. Then there was the farmer at the bottom of the Combe who saw both WBM and PD/B it is claimed, though how Brett’s bike and Philippe’s car and two friends fit into this account is not clear. We know nothing about how they all got to the police station for their “lengthy” debrief.
Then there is Zainab and Zeena possibly. “One bad man” so she may have just remembered the arrival of WBM and Zeena may have popped her head up or been rescued, we don’t know. Thing is neither are terribly reliable sources and have been prevented telling anyone even if they knew.
So we have to conclude pretty much that we only have WBM’s word for it and police sources that may or may not be corrupted. Very little in fact.
So why might it have been a ruse and a different person? Well if as we are fairly certain a person did come on the scene at some point and that he was probably an undercover man, a replacement would obviously have the advantage of maintaining his cover. Would British MI5/6 really want to show their man’s face to the whole wide world? And we have been told there was another cyclist at the scene who has never even been revealed. WBM has never looked like a killer to me yet the circumstances he describes would normally make him a suspect. What if the “real WBM” was a different character entirely – say SAS and “our” WBM a lesser mortal who could be substituted with a story that closely followed what happened to the real one – but not quite? Over to you.
Tim V, 12:49am – that’s a pretty ingenuous scenario, I think. The one problem I see is that if the WBM who showed up at the crime scene was not the WBM that gave the interviews, there would have to be many more, other than EM, who would have to go along with the substitution. And that’s a bit problematic.
Yet, if say, we are willing to believe that it wasn’t all that many, and that yes, they agreed to go along with the ‘fake” WBM, then we should be also willing to believe that a similar number of people agreed to cover-up for an extraction scenario (of all or some of the Al Hillis). Once we are willing to accept that upward of 10 people are in on the cover-up, this kind of opens a can of worms.
But, I just thought of a way out – bring in the third bicyclist! he might be the actual WBM who gave interviews. and he would be the one who met up with the pompiers when they arrived. While the second bicyclist is the one who arrived on the scene, rearranged the body etc. So which one encountered Phillip?
Darn, this scenario causes too much head-spin. can you come up with an easier one pretty please?
I apologise if the source of this story is not to everyones taste. It was the first with came up on Google. [Anyone who have the same story from other sources?]. However, no matter w-h-o first published this story, basically,- what is being reported here, is very difficult to argue with.
The author doesn’t claim that Sergey Taruta is Jewish (but says he looks like one. This would be interesting to have confirmed, Bluebird ?