The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Of course we could also have a 9/11 carbon copy in that the plane with turned off transponder crashed deliberately into that most important military site in south eastern asia.
I dont hope so. I hope they landed savely.
But therefore all these secrets!
It is currently the headquarters of the Five Power Defence Arrangements Integrated Area Defence System for Malaysia and Singapore, which is commanded by an Australian Air Vice Marshal.
The last radar message is from exactly above Butterworth military base. Then the plane disappears from radar.
What would that tell us?
And btw. the plane flew at straight height and straight direction without transponder directly towards Butterworth airforce base.
What does that tell us?
Speculations allowed.
Did WBM work there? 🙂
Four Iranians (two of them with false passports) at the airport. The black one apparently is “Balotelli”. Looks somewhat Somali to me but not Iranian.
http://i.imgur.com/Ro8Ehvu.jpg
@Katie – re: “…how do you think the glass got to the right hand side of the carpark in the middle?”
I know you asked Tim but how about:
It was from a parked car that was broken into on another day and nothing to do with the murders?
Bleb, 1:51 pm – re your response to katie – it is, I’m afraid hopeless to keep this back and forth – I agree with Tim V here – there’s absolutely nothing anyone can say or suggest that will convince her the BMW wasn’t where she wants it to be.
I especially liked the suggestion that BMW, wounded and under fire, had the ability and presence of mind to make a ‘circle’, then seeing that this will not fit with the car’s final location, decided to do stop, may be change gears, then back into the bank. The likelihood of that is somewhere between 0.1% and 0.2%, based on normalized probabilities.
But, I’m sure that even if a photo materialized of an actual car in the parking lot, katie would say it’s an illusion, may be a hologram inserted by oh so bad conspiracy theorists.
Katie
11 Mar, 2014 – 9:02 am I always preface my remarks with an element of doubt but some things can’t be gainsaid. Some “facts” stare us in the face. They either represent the truth or a contrivance. I don’t share your certainly or construction, the foundations of which appear virtually non-existent. Please accept that we shall not agree and resist the temptation to debate the point any further as it seems a waste of time and energy both for you and me.
Bleb
11 Mar, 2014 – 1:51 pm thanks for repeating one of my options for how the glass got there. Katie obviously didn’t read my post carefully or chose to ignore it when she charged me with “blasting off” and not answering her question. For the record what I said @ 2.17 10.3 was:
“As to your earlier question as to how I think the glass got at the top end of the lay-by consider this? Would any self respecting forensics team leave glass fragments originating from fatal gun shot blasts on the ground for two days, whilst having collected all the cartridge cases? The glass would have distinctive residues of possibly lead, gunpowder and DNA.
SO EITHER it indicates the best French forensic scientists were completely incompetent; or they left the glass there for a specific purpose; or that they considered it unrelated to the shooting in question; or it was planted and left by someone to paint a false impression.”
Hopefully Katie will now see I answered her question with THREE options the second of which replicates yours Bleb. Window glass from an unrelated incident has always been an option for it. If we could trust the forensic people and police, we would have to assume the only reason they left it was because they decided so. However at a crime scene of that importance it is difficult to justify as anything can prove to have subsequent relevance. The only other reason, now we have the evidence from the shell casings at the bottom of the layby rules out shooting at the top, is that it was left there to confuse, like a lot of the other stuff put out.
sorry bleb i need to correct that a bit. I should have said FOUR OPTIONS the THIRD being that it was from an unrelated incident. (If only I re read my posts before sending them instead of afterwards!!!!!)
More off topic:
Plane carrying Iranians travelling under stolen passports made it to the Strait of Malacca. Further reports that the pilot had invited some Australians into the flight deck in the past, where they smoked cigarettes during a one-hour flight. Starting to sound like the plot of a movie so bad it was funny.
@Bluebird 12:43 pm: Note the “smoking Australians” angle that has been inserted into the Malaysia story.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578146/Young-blonde-says-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-pilot-invited-friend-ride-cockpit-entire-flight-2011.html
Well, the young blonde is staying in Australia for a year, which is probably Australian enough for this story. Melbourne comes into play yet again.
This is classic, from the article above:
“She does not want to suggest that Mr Hamid was incompetent and caused the crash in any way.
‘They were very friendly, but I felt they were very competent in what they were doing,’ she said.
‘I’m really not saying that I think the co-pilot is in the wrong, at all, it could have been absolutely anything.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578146/Young-blonde-says-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-pilot-invited-friend-ride-cockpit-entire-flight-2011.html#ixzz2vfnHpyeL
If you want to say that someone is incompetent, you say that you that you don’t want to say it, then imply that they are, by emphasizing how wonderfully not-imcompetent that they are, aside from breaking their own airline’s regulations.
So this comes down to the pilot’s fault, and nothing to do with the varied array of passengers with certain technical skills on that flight, or people who were on the flight but weren’t, or people from Iran travelling under stolen and modified passports. Those bad pilot wolves! They must have been smoking on the flight deck again, or something, and that is how they flew over the busy shipping lanes of the Malacca Strait without being noticed, and vanished, presto!
But Marlin, we are told he ‘did’ get shot in the back before running to & getting back into the car then putting the car into reverse, so why is my theory so fanciful ?
Secondly I note that you have all ignored the other point I made about the tyre mark ‘under’ the car, if you look at the circle it matches.
You don’t have to agree, [ God knows I’ve seen enough wild theories here which are far more bizarre] about where the car was originally,but I believe it could have been.
Q,
They were noticed. a fisherman saw a plane flying very low…..according to a Sky report.
Aside to the aside:
Surely the Daily Mail, being what it is, is well aware the the former term “cockpit” is no longer PC. The correct term is “flight deck”, although the old term might be used by anyone wanting to put a certain spin on things.
http://nypost.com/2014/03/11/co-pilot-of-missing-airliner-invited-blond-beauty-into-cockpit/
“Babes” and “smiling sheilas” and the assessment that the pilots were “possibly a little bit sleazy. They asked us if we could arrange our trip to stay in Kuala Lumpur for a few nights…they could take us out.”
And for good measure:
“I’m really not saying that I think co-pilot was in the wrong on this flight at all,” she said.
She really isn’t saying that, again, in her multiple and prolific media interviews, now is she?
From the host of this website:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/03/lockerbie-2/
“Even the security services and government can tell the truth, when the moment comes that the truth rather than a deceit happens to be a tactical advantage to them.”
— Craig Murray
Thanks for that. I guess we’ll continue to wait for developments in the al-Hilli case.
Aside, again:
The military in Malaysia knew where the plane was, after it disappeared from civilian radar. The question is, did they just know where it was, or is there more to this story? What is their role when a commercial airliner suddenly veers off course, and presumably doesn’t respond to controllers on the ground?
http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-plane-military-believes-it-tracked-missing-jetliner-over-strait-of-malacca-20140311-hvhjg.html
Another titillating feature in the tale from the (Malaysian) cockpit: one of the blondes has the same name as a potty-mouthed comedian from New Zealand, Jan Maree. This is going too far offside, so I’ll leave it at that.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/CU0705/S00224.htm
Getting back to the issue of satellites:
http://indigosat.com/
Planes can be tracked by satellites, too, just like the ship-tracking systems discussed on this forum many months ago.
Butterworth notice regarding the plane:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BieDZqTCIAExUO7.jpg
There are several options:
Plane did land in Butterworth or it was forced to land in Butterworth and it is still there.
Plane was highjacked and scheduled to attack certain targets like 9/11 and Butterworth military planes shot it down. Now they try to make it look like a normal crash for not having to admit that it was the military who shot them from the sky.
Sudden decompression in the plane and everybody on board became unconscious. Autopilot flew as long as there was fuel in the plane. The flaw is why the transponder was shut down and why there was no further radar trace?
Plane was highjacked, transponder deliberately turned off and the plane did land in Iran.
Flaw: en route no radar and no military defense did detect the plane? Unbelievable.
That plane did never take off. Flaw: Do the chinese have crisis actors, too?
Quite agree Q
11 Mar, 2014 – 4:41 pm. This story stinks of manipulation by someone in 5 Eyes plus network including the usual suspects. False passports. Asian-looking suspects. Passport numbers not linking to named person. Suggestion of Iranians. Are they suspects? No they’re not. Jewish individuals. Disagreement who was on the plane and who wasn’t. Hot spots for SIS operations. Casual flight deck smoking. (Not) incompetent pilots. Chinese context of new government and Muslim massacre of Chinese. America adjusting naval power to China Sea. Japanese/China tensions over islands. Plane inexplicably “disappears from 35,000 ft. Disputes over actual time and what happened. A detailed summary (the authorised version?) appears on WIKI within hours of the incident being reported.
Then purely coincidentally today’s Telegraph has a story I first mistook for this one with four prominent portraits of Syrians/Iranians on the front page. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10688179/Lockerbie-bombing-are-these-the-men-who-really-brought-down-Pan-Am-103.html
In fact it’s Lockerbie but this when the Boeing 777 story the top news story. Was the conflation intended? We know how close said paper is to MI6.
“One of those present was Mohammed Abu Talb, who headed the Swedish cell of PFLP-GC, and would later become one of the prime suspects in the Lockerbie bombing before the focus shifted to Megrahi.
Robert Baer, a CIA agent who investigated the Lockerbie bombing, told Al Jazeera that the PFLP-GC and Iran quickly became the main suspects.”
America always knew but blamed Libya because it suited. However is this story pushed by the Telegraph on the very day you might have expected them to lead on the Indonesian incident is rather strange don’t you think? Trouble is we’re sensitised to these things now and it shouts manipulation.
Just a question:
Butterworth confirmes that they had an unidentified airplane on radar with no transponder. Everywhere in the world the military base would order two military planes to look for that unidentified flight immediately. Did Butterworth order their planes to despatch? Did they have order to shoot them down. Did they have order to escort them to Butterworth?
I’ve just got to yours of Q
11 Mar, 2014 – 5:29 pm. (working down the posts as you do) and your Craig Murray ref. So mine above is not so off topic after all.
But now, finally PLEASE think logic about that event and think about what they wrote into that link!!!!!
RFMA Butterworth confirms that they had an unidentified airplane on radar with no transponder. Everywhere in the world the military base would order two military planes to look for that unidentified flight immediately. Did Butterworth order their planes to despatch? Did they have order to shoot them down. Did they have order to escort them to Butterworth?If they didnt send military planes towards that unidentified airplane with NO TRANSPONDER and no tower communication on, then Malaysia must have a totally useless air defense. Even in Kongo or lets say in Fiji, air defense military planes would be despatched immediately in such a case. Dont let sane people believe that Butterworth did see the plane on radar(as confirmed) for more than 30 minutes and that they did not despatch planes. They confirm that their radar saw the plane flying right over Butterworth and they still did not despatch military planes? They saw that plane with no transponder and not responding to a tower communication leaving malaysian airspace and they did not despatch planes and they did neither warn indonesian airspace?
DO THEY REALLY BELIEVE THAT ALL THE PEOPLE ARE DUMB SHEEP?
in the Lockerbie story note the Swedish connection.
A little discussion of mine on military possibilities but I’m sure the solution is far more prosaic. I’m not naturally enamoured of “science fiction” explanations though I’m quite sure capability in these fields is far in advance of what we know or assume.
http://inquiringminds.cc/perhaps-we-shouldnt-completely-dismiss-the-concept-of-evaporation-or-ionisation-either-semantically-or-practically-after-all-it-was-the-actual-excuse-proffered-by-american
Quite a good background paper on American policy as it relates to Lockerbie and Kosovo in particular. There are a few points of synchronisity with Chevaline in passing particularly the connection between drugs, crime and organised political instability.
http://inquiringminds.cc/highly-disturbing-insights-into-the-deceits-that-lie-at-the-heart-of-regime-change-and-of-the-war-on-global-terrorism#comment-1492696
Bluebird
11 Mar, 2014 – 11:13 pm standard intercept protocols were ignored on 9/11 as well exposing a huge hole in US defence, yet no one criticised, blamed, demoted or sacked. Indeed most congratulated and/or promoted. Yet virtually everyone bought the whole outrageous story and many still do! It’s simply amazing what government can get away with when it puts its mind to it. The one big difference today is THIS – the internet. Government has lost control of media and communication and its a big headache for it, hence the response to Snowden et al and the medium in general. Lies are no longer enough. The public is slowly getting wise to the true (and corrupt) nature of international power politics and learning that the white hatted cowboys are not all good, nor the Indians (or Muslims) all bad.
US CNN as part of it’s coverage of the Malaysian mystery, recounts the story of TWA 800, including 100 eyewitnesses who saw a streak of light ascending toward the plane. But the reporter expresses bemusement that, “In spite of the government spending millions of dollars reconstructing the wreckage and finding the cause was an explosion in a fuel tank, many people still cling to belief in a conspiracy.”
“none of our spy satellites has detected any explosions in the area where the plane was last seen. “Jumbo jets don’t just vanish without a trace,” he told me in an interview at his Connecticut home.The Boeing 777 is one of the safest high tech planes in the air today. It is so sophisticated that it beams messages to the ground to identify maintenance problems before it ever lands. There was no such alert before the plane disappeared.The former FBI investigator had another theory, the possibility of a pilot suicide dive from 35,000 feet to the water below, which Kallstrom said would produce a small debris field, versus a vast area of debris that would have been created had the plane broken apart in air. Such a scenario has been played out before, including an Egypt Air flight brought down by its pilot.
Read more: http://pix11.com/2014/03/11/fbi-honcho-who-led-twa-800-probe-talks-about-malaysian-flight-370/#ixzz2vkVePDYe