The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Yes it was, thanks for the reminder,NR.
There’s also no mention of Diego Garcia with all its communication system it had to pick up signals….if innocent,no journalists are asking about the last ping from plane lining up perfectly with that base .
BB.
I think you said that you had little confidence in the EUtimes as a source,but can ‘all’ this be wrong ?
http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/malaysia-airlines-mystery-deepens-after-top-disease-experts-rushed-to-indian-ocean/
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An apparent expert speaks: (worth reading)
“Roger Harris erniebastion • an hour ago
You are correct — it is referred to as TUC (Time of Useful Consciousness). At 35,000 feet one has about 30-60 seconds; at 40,000 feet it’s reduced to 15-20 seconds; at FL450 it is further reduced to 9-15 seconds (of course, several factors may vary TUC – BMI, alcohol consumption, etc.) The service ceiling for the 777 is 43,100′ — I believe it was stated the aircraft had 7 1/2 hours of fuel so therefore it was light and could have most likely reached its service ceiling. Limitations are based upon the ability to pressurize the cabin. Certification restrictions imposed by the FAA require the bird to reach a safe altitude after initiating an emergency descent from service ceiling within (I believe) two minutes. Of course, whoever was flying the bird wasn’t concerned about regs/restrictions — I’m sure they incapacitated the pax/crew and headed home for high altitude to get max range. Hey, I don’t know I’m just a Gulfstream 550 driver and my last job for 18 months was out of Hong Kong where I flew in the region extensively (and the 550 is certified to FL510) – there has been so much misinformation and disinformation, I’m still scratching my head on this one but with as much power as the Rolls Royce Trent has, it probably could have reached 45,000.”
From NR’s http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/03/16/Israel-Prepares-for-Attack-by-Hijacked-Malaysian-Plane reference.
Agreed NR
17 Mar, 2014 – 6:09 am there is a concerted and organised demolition job going on aimed at the pilot. Such things NEVER happen accidentally and shame on the spooky, reprehensible, slime-ball perpetrators, whoever they are, who are prepared to stoop so low (never mind the fate of the 200 plus passengers and their families!)
Re. Katie’s ref. worth reading as follows:
“According to this report, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (also marketed as China Southern Airlines flight 748 through a codeshare) was a scheduled passenger flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, China, when on 8 March this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft “disappeared” in flight with 227 passengers on board from 15 countries, most of whom were Chinese, and 12 crew members.
As we had previously noted in our report “Russia “Puzzled” Over Malaysia Airlines “Capture” By US Navy,” the GRU had previously notified China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS) of its suspicions regarding this flight due its containing a “highly suspicious” cargo that had been offloaded in the Republic of Seychelles from the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.
First arousing the GRU’s concerns regarding this “highly suspicious” cargo, this report continues, was that after its unloading from the MV Maersk Alabama on 17 February, its then transfer to Seychelles International Airport where it was loaded on an Emirates flight bound for Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia, after first stopping over in Dubai, the two highly trained US Navy SEALS who were guarding it were found dead.
The two US Navy SEALS protecting this “highly suspicious” cargo, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances” aboard the MV Maersk Alabama, this report says, further raising Russian intelligence suspicions as they were both employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by US Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL’s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and has long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.
Upon Flight 370’s departure from Malaysia on 8 March, this report continues, the GRU was notified by the MSS that they were going to divert it from its scheduled destination of Beijing to Haikou Meilan International Airport (HAK) located in Hainan Province (aka Hainan Island).
Prior to this planes entering into People Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands, however, this report continues, Flight 370 “significantly deviated” from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to Diego Garcia.
In a confirmation of the GRU’s assertion that Flight 370 was, indeed, flown to Diego Garcia, this report says, satellite transmission data analyzed by US investigators showed that this planes most likely last-known position was in a zone about 1,609 kilometers (1,000 miles) west of Perth, Australia in the Indian Ocean..
Most troubling to the GRU about Flight 370’s “diversion” to Diego Garcia, this report says, was that it was “nearly immediately” followed by some of the top disease scientists and experts from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CCDCP) embarking to Diego Garcia on at least four flights.
As to why both American and Chinese disease experts were taken to Diego Garcia where Flight 370 is now known to be, this report says, has as yet not been answered by either of these governments after repeated Foreign Ministry requests for “explanations and clarification.”
What is to be known, this report says, is that as Malaysia has been forced to admit Flight 370 was, indeed, “diverted” from its flight path as the GRU had previously reported, and as at least 25 nations are now involved in searching for it, it remains a mystery as to what is actually occurring.
Also known, this report concludes, is that Diego Garcia as a designated ETOPS emergency landing site for flight planning purposes of commercial airliners transversing the Indian Ocean, and as one of 33 emergency landing sites worldwide for the NASA Space Shuttle, it is “inconceivable” that any type of aircraft, let alone Flight 370, can fly anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere without being tracked, monitored and recorded in totality.”
We should be aware that this is a joint Russian Chinese interpretation. Yet the details are there and seem to be supported by the twin deaths story. If true this appears to be shaping up to a biological warfare scenario. If organised by US/Israel the only likely scenario is a devastating raid blamed on Iran.
Note the death of the two men in their 40’s has been blamed on “respiratory failure” linked to heroin abuse. Apart from the unlikelihood of both dying same time from same cause, we see again two of previously discussed propaganda features. First demolish men’s reputation then mix in a bit of star quality, Oscar nominated, Hollywood.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2-ex-navy-seals-on-maersk-alabama-died-of-respiratory-failure-police-say/
If the plane had biological weaponry on board and heading for Beijing – and intended to be diverted by MSS because of their suspicions – then if a plan to create mayhem in China blamed on Muslim faction already blamed for knife massacre had been busted – and America therefore aborted operation and took plane to Diego Garcia !!!!! its got a certain amount of credibility to it.
@NR: The “jaunty ruse” is just that.
@NR 6:09 am: Another commonality with the Chevaline case: SAH was said to have become radicalized on the internet! We must take their word for it. Another commonality with Gareth Williams: the tawdry gay sex angle (and earlier said-to-be interest in bondage by one of the pilots)! Always best if the geezers can put both into one story, which they apparently weren’t able to do for the purpose of credibility in Chevaline. They somehow find it odd that anyone would support pro-democracy causes. They aren’t aware that gay marriage is legal in many democratic countries. The shock of it all!
The ever-more-buxom Jonti Roos, who becomes buxomer on her FB account, was a teen from South Africa, living in Australia, or an Australian living in South Africa, or someone from/living in Ben Zygier’s hometown of Melbourne. We aren’t sure. We only know that her photographs get buxomer and buxomer over time, especially the one on Facebook. She manages to have virtually no internet profile other than her Facebook account, although most people her age — whatever that is — have an extensive internet footprint. How would we expect geezers to know this? Obviously an oversight.
@Katie 8:36 am: Earlier on, the pilot’s final words were said to be, “Roger that.” Then it was changed. Why the change?
Remember that disinformation always contains an element of the truth. The difficult part is sorting wheat from chaff and determining who wants what to be known, and why.
@Bluebird: 9:58 a.m.: Perhaps we shall be told that it all happened like the movie plot I posted yesterday. Geezers are lazy. Why waste a bad movie plot, with poison darts, etc.? Very Austin Powers, baby, right down to the Fembots. Perhaps they will choose the Captain Phillips angle, with all the passengers on the plane being held hostage for a large sum of money, or something even more diabolical, like a country, or part of a country.
All we know is that very few members of the public are believing the detritus that is being spoon-fed as reality on this one.
To no one in particular: The South Africa angle makes a person wonder what all those world leaders really were doing at Nelson Mandela’s funeral, aside from taking selfies and looking like they were having a great old time. It never did make sense that a frail man in his 90s could come close to death in June, then hang onto life for many more months. He was extraordinary, but he was a man. There are limits to the power of one.
http://www.gotridentgroup.com/
Another commonality: Chevaline and Trident names.
http://www.skomer.u-net.com/projects/chevaline.htm
Very interesting theory by aviation entusiast Keith Ledgerwood. From The Telegraph’s live coverage:
Keith Ledgerwood, Money quotation:
Much recommended.
Swissair 111 The Untold Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZXMaFtwBKU
Passenger list:
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/09/04/nyregion/the-crash-of-flight-111-a-list-of-those-killed-on-swissair-flight-111.html
How many Bandar al Saud does the House of Saud have? I believe that Bandar Bush is still alive? Was he on that plane’s passenger list or did he setup a representative into that plane early enough?
MI6 agent should have been on that plane, too.
http://www.geocities.ws/princess_diana_not_dwi/diana7.html
Lots of UN people travelling from NY to Geneva on board.
Plus $ 500 million of gold and diamonds plus a picasso in the cargo of SR111. Of course the valuables were never seen ever again.
@ Tim V 17 Mar, 2014 – 12:52 pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2-ex-navy-seals-on-maersk-alabama-died-of-respiratory-failure-police-say/
So we have junkies guarding the most dangerous nuclear and biological cargoes? They’d be nodding off every few hours. As highly paid ex-military contractors they could certainly afford unlimited heroin. Better to use coke/meth addicts who stay awake for 2 or 3 days, and are paranoid as well.
Incidentally, before release of the movie “Captain Phillips” members of his crew held a press conference protesting the film, claiming he was anything but a hero. Noted briefly by media and quickly forgotten as the story would interfere with profits of movie studios owned by same conglomerates.
Why the French were invited to assist in the investigation:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-search-stretches-10-000-km-1.2575295
Craig dismissed Ledgerwoods theory earlier today, saying such large jets can’t fly close enough [due to turbulence] as to look like one single blip on a radar screen
I don’t believe we have discussed this story yet:
http://news.yahoo.com/crew-blamed-russian-jet-crash-055859642.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/superjet-crash-in-indonesia-a-major-blow-to-russian-modernization-plans-a-832462.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Salak_Sukhoi_Superjet_100_crash
http://www.firstpost.com/photos/images-russian-jet-crashes-in-indonesia-no-survivors-so-far-305230.html
Change of course, pilots blamed (partying in the cockpit?), and a crash into a volcano. Pilots were said to have been chatting up the passengers at the time of the crash, and were unaware that they were close to the volcano.
Any special promotional flights at the time of the “jaunty ruse”…whenever that might have been? We see no in-flight photos, nor illicit passengers seated in the flight deck, nor smoking, just photos of pilots with passengers.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149377/Undercover-US-agents-brought-new-Superjet-Russia-s-extraordinary-claim-crash-killed-45.html
Worth mentioning.
@NR: http://www.whas11.com/news/Hero-skipper-ignored-pirate-warnings-crew-says-226183121.html
http://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/News.aspx?ElementId=f222ef2a-fd97-475e-95fa-a3f03685d467
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Maersk suspended its operations to and from Iran in September 2012:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/09/us-maersk-iran-shipping-idUSBRE8980NM20121009
Odd that with the Maersk’s Alabama’s past history related to piracy, the former navy SEALS from Trident would meet their end in the Seychelles:
http://seychellesreality.blogspot.ca/2011/11/reaper-drones-specializes-in-espionage.html
More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/drone-crashes-mount-at-civilian-airports-overseas/2012/11/30/e75a13e4-3a39-11e2-83f9-fb7ac9b29fad_story.html
The unfortunate history of drones being flown out of a civilian airport. For some reason, the royals have cropped up in this story, too.
@Katie: You’re the only one to mention the mumbled message.
From today’s Guardian headline: “‘co-pilot spoke last message’ Fariq Abdul Hamid believed to have uttered last words [“All right, goodnight”] to air traffic control at 1.19am, when plane’s transponder stopped.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/17/mh370-missing-plane-co-pilot-verbal-communication
Which conflicts with earlier stories, and no one else points this out. Like Chevaline.
March 7, 2014, 6:01 p.m. China’s official New China News Agency… said the plane’s last known contact was with Vietnamese air traffic control, and the pilots had not been in touch with Chinese air traffic control.
http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-malaysia-airlines-plane-china-20140307,0,4170115.story
Published on Mar 09, 2014 8:43 PM: “The Boeing 777 captain, who asked to not be named, said he was flying 30 minutes ahead of the missing aircraft, and was asked to use his plane’s emergency frequency to contact MH370 by Vietnamese air traffic control officials who wanted to establish its location.”
“The pilot, whose plane was bound for Narita, Japan, told Malaysia’s New Sunday Times: “We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.””
“The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie or Fariq, but I was sure it was the co-pilot…”
“There were a lot of interference… static… but I heard mumbling from the other end… That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection.”
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-pilot-contacted-mh370-just-it-went-missi
Good work ,NR.
How extraordinary is that & this ; “Those on the same frequency at the time, including vessels on the waters below, would have heard the exchange, he said.”
Surely proof positive everyone is being sold a pup !
Why were no jets scrambled ?
Good to see you running with those links,Tim, there’s so much of this swilling around the net I’m astonished at SKY & other stations are still churning out the same news which is a week old.
I love the latest, that the plane dropped as low as 5,000ft to avoid radar detection, ha ha…..this to fly over the mountainous region of Pakistan !!!
Yet the clue is there, that flying that low is usually done by the ‘military’.
Another snippet, BB will find this interesting:
“Iranian teenager Pouria Nourmohammadi who boarded the missing Malaysian Airlines flight 370 with a stolen passport has a Facebook page. Pouria Nour Mohammadi, 19, and Reza Devalar, 29, both from Iran, used stolen passports to travel from Malaysia to Beijing and then Amsterdam.”
AND……
“Stolen passports carried by two Iranian men to board missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 were used last year by two people applying for visas to work as entertainers in China, according to the head of an entertainment company.”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/breaking-stolen-passports-used-by-iranians-on-flight-mh370-were-used-before/
Make sure you read the comments.
NR
17 Mar, 2014 – 3:16 pm Quite! BBC news reports after it went off air it remained “pinging” satnav for a further SEVEN HOURS till 8.11 (except the PM said it was 8.21) Hell wots 10 minutes between friends as we heard quoted at Chevaline. But of course 7 hrs difference is not so easily dismissed (between original crash time and this one. Then there is you ref to the bod who says the radar puts the plane off Vietnam being followed by another before it disappears. Both stories can’t be right.
thanks for those references ppl. My poor take on the event up to the time of writing at http://inquiringminds.cc/flight-mh-370-is-there-a-sinister-link-with-captain-phillips-maersk-alabama-tim-veater if anyone interested.