The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Intp1 – yes, I know it is difficult to search this site. I tried before but it’s unwieldy. I think that requires more features than this blog provides.
If you wish try this one: [email protected] just following up on Bleb’s suggestion – see of it works.
I’m very suspicious that an Englishman like Intp1 would spell the English words “organisation” and “finalised” [sic!] with a -z.
I’m very suspicious and puzzled about, that an [supposedly] Englishman like Intp1 would spell the English words “organisation” and “finalised” with a -z.
Anyone know what is going on with the op-art/dazzle avatars?
They appear to different for individual posters. Is it to help us identify “imposters”?
For the record: I have not changed any settings or attempted to change the default settings at any time or ever chosen to have an avatar.
Bleb, I see the same – may be they just changed the settings on the blog?
Also, mailinator is kind of confusing. Not sure it works. Why did they need to have public folders anyways? the concept is not so clear……
@Marlin – Perhaps Straw’s idea of registering on Icke (or other forum you agree to use) and using the Private Messaging (PM) facility would be simpler.
Of course whoever administers that forum would be able to take a peek. So maybe a totally unrelated forum would be best? Maybe one that has a clear privacy policy?
eg: https://nodpi.org/privacy-policy/
Avatar test (sent via proxy IP addr)
Avatar test (sent via proxy IP addr) AND specifying a different email
Avatar test (sent usual IP addr) AND specifying same email as previous test
Avatar test (normal IP & email)
Expected result: green avatar four squares inside border mase of connected triangles
Avatar conclusion:
Different avatar with the same name means that a different email has been used. Possibly indicating an imposter is posting.
Good job, Bleb. May be that’s why they went to these colorful avatars?
Re David Icke – I do believe that the chat service is available only for the premium level, or so it seems.
It’s OK – I’ll just use the hushmail service. They are quite straightforward and make it easy to come and go.
Thanks for all the tips just the same. I learnt about several interesting (and emerging) e mail services. I think there’s a lot going on these days to try and get a better handle on true security and privacy, which includes security from you know who. Some day, I believe, when the history of these early e mail and social interaction services is written, I’m sure that Snowden will get recognition as having ushered in the next evolutionary level in cross global communications. Looking at the web development in a way similar way to the way we see human evolution gives good reason to believe that adversity can bring quantum evolutionary leaps. Right now, an army of hard working nerdy wunderkinds are working to get around nsa tentacles, just as hard as the latter tries to get in everywhere and scoop everything. Necessity is the mother of invention, right?
Intp1 1:01pm – even though the site is not readily searchable, I did save a few things. also I found my summary (which was a work in progress and needed to be updated with some of Bluebird’s research about saad’s family ancestry). I can send you through the google docs, if you wish. For contact, try this one (forget the mailinator above – I am kind of not sure about them because of that public option): terran2.0 at hushmail dot com.
@ Marlin
Sent you a note at 1:56 Central European Summer Time Thursday.
@Marlin
If that mailinator acct has expired, contact mine at WAP0423
But 1st create a private, free e-mail that you can send with. Suggestion @GMX.com
Indicate that address to WAP0423 and we can talk/verify privately.
Marlin
I’m not a Premium member on Icke and even though I now shown as a senior member I haved used Private messages from very early on, I used them to speak to Anders.
Intp1 @1;27pm, so I did, following your suggestion about GMX. I think your message has indeed expired (time difference?). May be this’ll work.
@ Marlin
Sorry, typo
try again at wap0432
@ Straw44berry
3 Apr; 2014 – 8:00 pm
Thanks; mission accomplished; A very quick exchange of private e-mails on mailinator works quite well; Will commence preliminary work on the gdocs folder shortly
Can I ask you as a veteran contributor to give us a starting input on good candidates as to understanding the event?
Intp1
My answer is in batches of posters that I treat most highly
Marlin/Bluebird
Pink/Q/NR/Mochyn69/Felix/Katie/Tim V/James(filtering out rant mode)/Ferret
I’m sorry if I have forgotten somebody and some of these seldom post and have moved on to other news stories.
Test to see what colour I get.
Remember to publish the relevant URL of the document here!
As you are probably aware, Google docs provides the option of “publishing this document on the internet”, which means it gets a IP-adress so that anybody can see it.
Free and swarming souls like yours needs constant peer-control, in order not to drift to far off. Peers are also quint-essential in the academic world, in order to assure the necessary verifiability and that the results live up to scientific norms.
Bleb. Re the avatars.
This is what happens when the administrator of the site switches the WordPress ‘default’ avatar. to another default.
There’s a choice of about six styles , the head shadow is just one.
These coloured squares another & there are cartoony ones too.
I’m rather pleased it does add extra colour.
These avatars are called Identicons and they’re generated from the e-mail address filled in with the comment, so the same Identicon means the same e-mail address:
https://squonk.tk/blog/2014/01/20/the-general-discussion-thread/comment-page-12/#comment-5522
Clark.
That maybe so. but I can assure, what I’ve said is correct.
Here’s the list of default avatars on WP.
For users without a custom avatar of their own, you can either display a generic logo or a generated one based on their e-mail address.
Mystery Man
Blank
Gravatar Logo
Identicon (Generated) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<This is the one seen here.
Wavatar (Generated)
MonsterID (Generated)
Retro [Generated]
They can be found under … DISCUSSION SETTINGS & can be changed to any one of this STYLES by admin just checking the box alongside..
Katie, yes, someone with access to the blog avatar settings must have changed them from “Mystery Man” to “Identicon”. I see no contradiction in our comments.
OK Clark.
Sorry about the garbled last line, it should read ; They can be found under DISCUSSION SETTINGS & can be changed to any one of ‘ these’ STYLES by admin just checking the box alongside….
I suspect Jon [?] read what we were saying about avatars on the other thread, most looked the same with the mystery man,now each one can be identified individually………..once we learn who has which colour.
A story to keep an eye on different versions between lead story and
video one says they were asleep the other says returning from a night out .
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/marble-arch-hotel-attack-woman-fighting-for-life-and-two-others-seriously-injured-9242958.html
Greetings,
We have actually started to develop material on Gdocs to document the most probable solutions and aspects of this event.
Rationale: This blog does not lend itself as is to retrieval of organized information. It may be valuable to add, as an annex to the blogs, some summaries of the data so that top theories can be documented for future research and particularly for family and friends if they need to try to understand this tragic event in the future.
As an example, this is the first candidate solution subset to get things started:
Scenario:
SAH & SM are conspirators in supplying intelligence to 3rd party
Discuss.
Some Assumptions
That SAH and SM were known to each other or were coordinated in order to meet for a clandestine objective
That the killers had gained information re. the meeting unbeknown to either or both SAH & SM
That the killers believed the other occupants of SAH’s BMW were complicit in the conspiracy or knew enough that they must be silenced
Evidence for
Both SAH & SM were connected to high tech, defense, aerospace or nuclear related companies
Information on SM seems to have been strictly limited therefore is suspicious
SM’s blood found on SAH, indicating the two were proximate, supporting a meeting. – source?
Provides a reasonable role for WBM arriving on the scene and his actions (searching pockets, moving body, etc).
Consistent with ONF1 testimony that saw a X5 heading up to the martinet. Car could have carried the killers. Motorcycle (MC) could have been the scout.
SAH’s strange timing for the trip (school time!), movements between camps and other signs of nervousness/anxiety.
Consistency with Timeline
To be provided
Does not explain or Evidence against:
No known direct connection between SAH & SM
Would such a conspiracy rely on trips to the haute savoie for routine meetings?
Although a quiet spot, choice of rendez-vous not ideal;-parties would be conspicuous. Easy to ambush Hard to abort safely if trouble.
Why would SAH bring family to such a meeting?
Why meet at all – if there was an exchange; why not use a drop box?
Why would he bring his kids? Zainab should have been at school
EXPLAINS ONLY IF
It was an extraordinary meeting
Meeting place was arranged by killers or by amateurs for their own reasons
SAH was mistakenly very confident that family would be safe
Parties needed to talk or provide transaction in person
There is an unknown connection between SM & SAH
SAH was the “buyer” since he traveled to the more exposed “seller”?
Note; there are many subsets and variations on this basic scenario, but we tried to keep it simple for now. A separate heading can be added later to account for “variations” on this basic theme.
I’ll repeat Intp1’s post with some formatting to make it easier to read. Hope this works:
Scenario:
SAH & SM are conspirators in supplying intelligence to 3rd party
NOTE: may be a better, more inclusive heading here?
Some Assumptions:
That SAH and SM were known to each other or were coordinated in order to meet for a clandestine objective
That the killers had gained information re. the meeting unbeknown to either or both SAH & SM
That the killers believed the other occupants of SAH’s BMW were complicit in the conspiracy or knew enough that they must be silenced
Evidence for:
Both SAH & SM were connected to high tech, defense, aerospace or nuclear related companies
Information on SM seems to have been strictly limited therefore is suspicious
SM’s blood found on SAH, indicating the two were proximate, supports a meeting.
Provides a reasonable role for WBM arriving on the scene and his actions (searching pockets, moving body, etc).
Consistent with ONF1 testimony that saw a X5 heading up to the martinet. Car could have carried the killers. Motorcycle (MC) could have been the scout.
SAH’s strange timing for the trip (school time!), movements between camps and other signs of nervousness/anxiety.
Consistency with Timeline:
To be provided
Does not explain or Evidence against:
No known direct connection between SAH & SM
Would such a conspiracy rely on trips to the haute savoie for routine meetings?
Although a quiet spot, choice of rendez-vous not ideal;-parties would be conspicuous. Easy to ambush Hard to abort safely if trouble.
Why would SAH bring family to such a meeting?
Why meet at all – if there was an exchange; why not use a drop box?
Why would he bring his kids? Zainab should have been at school
EXPLAINS ONLY IF
It was an extraordinary meeting
Meeting place was arranged by killers or by amateurs for their own reasons
SAH was mistakenly very confident that family would be safe
Parties needed to talk or provide transaction in person
There is an unknown connection between SM & SAH
SAH was the “buyer” since he traveled to the more exposed “seller”?
Note; there are many subsets and variations on this basic scenario, but we tried to keep it simple for now. A separate heading can be added later to account for “variations” on this basic theme.