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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Q

    I remember posting about the Maquis and the weapons caches left over from WWII back in the early days of these threads. It’s a shame it took so long for investigators to pursue this angle. Sylvain Mollier was so quickly dismissed as being the target of this assassination by investigators. It’s not easy to forget the cone of silence that descended around him and his family in the aftermath. Bluebird found Mollier’s connection to former military men on social networking sites. Who would be more likely to know where old weapons caches were than the military mountain units of the Haute-Savoie? It would not be surprising if most of the people in the Haute-Savoie have some sort of connection to those mountain military units: having served in them, having relatives, friends and neighbors who served, etc. It sounds like there’s a thriving underground economy in the region. Best for the family and friends of Mollier to keep quiet, for their own sake.

    Ironically, if the authorities intentionally decided to convince the media that the al-Hillis were the targets, and the only targets, this seems to have been an utter failure. The interest in the al-Hillis and their various connections is what has carried the continuing interest in this story on the internet.

    If Sylvain Mollier was the prime target, this still leaves open the possibility that the al-Hillis did not randomly drive into the parking lot on September 5, 2012. Whatever led them to chose that particular location at that time on that day? What about those passports? The question still holds: were the al-Hillis on a rendezvous?

    The photo of the bicycle is helpful to many of the questions posed here on this forum. Tim V et al, we need you!

  • Q

    I would like to add, Tim V, that we should not forget some unexplained deaths in the Haute-Savoie (not just “suicides”) since September 5, 2012. Remember the passing of separatist leader Patrice Abeille, alone in a home, while his family was on vacation? A local doctor in the tiny village, not a coroner or medical examiner, declared the death natural. The body was examined, but did an autopsy occur, or was this deemed unnecessary?

    http://www.ledauphine.com/faits-divers/2013/07/23/patrice-abeille-est-decede-a-59-ans

    For those who are interested, Patrice Abeille was born under the sign of the horse, with a wood element.

    http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Patrice_Abeille

    Chevaline, in the woods…

  • Pink

    @Q
    I wish I hadn’t read that link it’s horrible those poor kids.

    As far as I can tell the man who has recently committed suicide is not someone we have heard of I am not aware of someone close to SM being interviewed that I can recall,possibly if BB was around it might become clearer.
    Do you not think it’s possible that EM has kept attention focused on SAH so they could pursue their inquiry’s in other directions ?

  • Tim V

    Q – appreciated. One thing we have learned, and in fact we can almost take it as a given, people get “suicided” for what they know and to shut them up – for good. It’s either that or to get rid of a “nuisance” or out of pure revenge for past real or imagined. Those that pose a real (terrorist) threat are either arrested or “taken out” unambiguously as with SAS/IRA in Gibraltar. “Suicide” is the choice where basically it cannot be justified without revealing the back story. Unfortunately authorities are too ready to go along with the prevailing theory and you can’t really blame them if the investigation is either inadequate or there has been a thorough “clean up” as with Gareth Williams or Ben Zygier to name but two. Again and again suspicious elements are never followed up. The Coroner is dependent on the police for the investigation and if they are incompetent or corrupt, he/she is reduced to largely futile “open” verdicts. I would say that one of the most reliable indicators of foul play with official complicity, is the jumping to a conclusion of suicide even before autopsy, as in this one. Not even nearly two years of unprecedented police investigation (so we are told) of a notorious case that must have thrown up a convoluted and dark web of intrigue apparently suggested to our friend Maillaud that he should be a tad cautious before pronouncing on the cause of a related violent gun shot death? OH COME ON!!!!

  • Q

    Images of motorcycles and scooters:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/19/article-2561919-1BA4074D00000578-324_634x415.jpg

    http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/abdelkader-merah-etait-present-lors-du-vol-du-scooter-t-max-24-03-2012-1444615_23.php

    http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/societe/20130314.OBS2021/mohamed-merah-loup-solitaire.html

    Sometimes, a “lone wolf” has more than one vehicle, especially a lone wolf who is in the business of repairing such vehicles. Send your vehicle to the shop, and it could be involved in a crime. Or, it could simply be stolen from the street in front of your home.

  • intp1

    Re. The bicycle: 1) I think it is very likely it got there ascending toward the south. Possibly turned around exactly at that spot. If he had gone much further and turned around he would have tended to the correct side of the road, freewheeling down the narrow, rough road.
    2)If the situation was going to plan, I don’t think he would put his nice, 4000 euro bike down on the roadside and then moved to the lay-by without it. You would walk with it, in addition to it’s value, it is your transport and therefore some security.
    So it is either not his bike or he put it down because he was panicked, under duress, possibly already shot.

    The casings and the victims are all at the North end of the layby yet the bike is exactly the opposite corner of the incident.
    If I was panicked by shots, I wouldn’t run towards them. That is odd that SM’s bike is no-where near his body. Perhaps he was ordered to dismount and move towards the north?

    The pattern of the casings- Per my previous post, I just cant imagine how that happened. Shooter(s) obviously were moving as they shot, starting north, coming up the hill, I dont see how even 2 shooters would make that parallelogram pattern because it means you need to move forward, sideways and then backwards. I need 3 shooters to make it work in MY head. Please go ahead and disabuse me if you see otherwise.

    Re the suicide. I think it is at least as likely that this was a real suicide.
    1) Nobody knew about this guy having been interviewed so why are we being told about him? They could have left him as an unrelated suicide?
    2)The note is long and elaborate, if he was suicided, it must have been faked, why not short and sweet?
    I think he might have been a coincidence; someone they interviewed who was unstable and happened to take his own life. It is then plastered all over the media as another confusing red herring narrative?

    What a puzzle!
    When is the movie coming out? 🙂

  • Q

    The new Google Maps is not very cooperative in taking trips down the streets of Ugine. Where exactly is that apartment building? Anyone?

  • bluebird

    must be in ugine.
    but where? that’s a riddle.
    blue windiws and made of grey stone wirh a freemason style entrance. shouldnt be too often in ugine.

    no idea.
    maybe a local could help.

  • Q

    Is that apartment by any chance on the road to Albertville? It looks like a busy road in a valley.

  • Q

    Found it at 1035 Route d’Annecy 73400 Ugine, France on Google Maps. It is right next door to Weiss, and across the street from a boulangerie/patisserie shop. A Peugeot dealer is on the other side of the building with an “Occasions du Lion” sign. Weiss has some vehicles under tarps on the opposite side of the street.

  • Q

    There are some brown storage units behind the apartment in question. Anything interesting store in there, like vehicles that could be of interest, or bicycles?

  • bluebird

    Q

    that was your masterpiece.
    now we must find out about who lived in that house.

    i was searching route d’annecy, too, because of the radar box.

  • Q

    Oh well, Bluebird. It’s better to do our own work. Then we find little things like a bakery, where a family might have stopped for the makings of a picnic, or a car dealership, where someone may have taken a vehicle for a little test drive, or whatever. Of course with the tight timeline for the al-Hillis, it’s pretty obvious they didn’t stop in Ugine for pastries on the day of the murders.

    Having an apartment on the main drag through town would be convenient for anyone wanting to keep an eye on things.

    I admit to not looking for the address until this very day. Think what we could accomplish if we were obsessed!

  • Q

    Should we be looking for things like this in the vicinty, too, Bluebird?

    “Association : COMMUNAUTE ISLAMIQUE DU MILLI GORUS DE UGINE (CIMG-UGINE).

    Identification R.N.A. : W731000331

    No de parution : 20090021
    Département (Région) : Savoie (Rhône-Alpes)

    Lieu parution : Déclaration à la sous-préfecture d’Albertville.
    Type d’annonce : ASSOCIATION/MODIFICATION

    Déclaration à la sous-préfecture d’Albertville. Ancien titre : COMMUNAUTE ISLAMIQUE DU MILLI GORUS D’UGINE (CIMG-UGINE). Nouveau titre : COMMUNAUTE ISLAMIQUE DU MILLI GORUS DE UGINE (CIMG-UGINE). Nouvel objet : représenter les intérêts des musulmans dans la région de Ugine et de ses environs tout en respectant les autres communautés religieuses et ethniques, participer au respect des droits de l’homme quelle que soit son origine ou son appartenance sociale, faciliter aux musulmans la pratique de leur religion en les aidant dans l’utilisation des lieux de prière et des lieux d’activités sociales, éducatives, culturelles et sportives, élargir le dialogue entre les différentes communautés existantes dans l’amitié et le respect mutuel tout en participant à l’essor et au progrès de la société française, favoriser l’intégration des enfants et jeunes gens musulmans dans la société française par l’éducation sans rompre les liens avec leur culture d’origine, CIM Ugine peut exercer une activité commerciale à but non-lucratif, CIMG Ugine décide également, par vote au scrutin majoritaire, d’autres mesures en accord avec les buts et les objectifs de l’association. Siège social : 1471, route d’Annecy, 73400 Ugine. Transféré ; nouvelle adresse : Z.I. Les Mouilles, 73400 Ugine. Date de la déclaration : 7 mai 2009.”

    From: http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/association/index.php?ctx=eJxti0EOgjAQRecopFtj2mkr7bgzJh6AsG8IjkJSKBb0ZN7Ai0mMS*7u5b0fItwyhNcIzTynFsID2pSnlJuF5ZKZj6JOkzynK9cdDyyVVetEUWxlFd*7NMqq!7xH3p*ixLPYCgWEFnaI1iE6ZanUThn05O1faNJIRivjPDnlvC9*glbw1hpC7derRkMQun65PGMEfYAvck47og__&page=12&JTH_ID=040000&JRE_ID=Rh%C3%83%C6%92%C3%82%C2%B4ne-Alpes

  • Bacchus

    Don’t worry BB, it’s you that learn me, you are my professor. Bright inspiration, quick investigation.

    1034 route d’annecy batiment F.

    @Lars (TCK)has try to help me, but for now I have not find the name of the unnamed legionnaire. 🙁

    Good luck

  • Tim V

    Q
    9 Jun, 2014 – 8:50 pm re. “hear someone coming”. Well if the reports can believed, if the killer was someone other than the people in the alleged vehicles, he might have heard either the BMW 4×4 coming UP or the Forestry truck coming DOWN. Neither however have a rational explanation as to an interaction. Either up or down, if those people in the vehicles we would have to explain why a desperate killer did not engage them either and/or while neither gave chase, say if the killer was on a motor bike. If “hearing someone coming” is put forward as a reason for him not finishing off ZAH, it doesn’t really fit a trained, callous killer does it? Surely such a person would not have run but finished off the approaching witness as well, before making their escape?

  • Tim V

    Intp1
    10 Jun, 2014 – 12:13 am you may remember this case http://www.wbur.org/2014/01/14/todashev-fatal-fbi-shooting specifically “It was close to 12:15 in the morning, according to law enforcement sources. Todashev returned to his chair and writing table. He had to make a formal written admission of what had happened to Mess and two other men in Waltham. Taking note of Todashev’s agitation, the state trooper texted the FBI agent beside him to warn him  that the subject sitting in front of them might go off, those law enforcement sources say.

    As Todashev began a statement he never wrote out, my sources continue, he did go off. He suddenly pushed the table into the FBI agent, knocking him over. The trooper would say he never saw a human being move so fast as Todashev, those sources say. In the short-lived burst of chaos, according to this account, the trooper saw Todashev coming at him with “a pipe” and believed Todashev would have split his skull if the agent had not shot first.”

    In brief, in this highly irregular “interview” as part of what many believe with some justification, another false flag operation, “FBI” agents were getting this “suspect” to fill out a confessional statement and shot him when he wouldn’t comply. In other words it is not beyond the realms of possibility this latest incident could have been coerced to give the appearance of suicide. As I said before Maillaud’s “6 or 7 pages” and a statement it was suicide prior to autopsy, particularly when its tied into Chevaline massacre, in my mind makes it highly suspicious without knowing any of the details. Everything turns on details (so many left handed individuals shoot themselves in the right temple!). The trouble is the French police in this case cannot be trusted so if they want it to be a suicide it will be.

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