The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
It’s worth repeating: there was apparently evidence of a “violent disturbance” at the dead man’s place, yet Maillaud doesn’t even reference it???? Even a primary school kid would ask “Why the disturbance and was related to the death?” Or as Bart Simpson would say : “Duh.”
From that notorious Todashev killing and article there is also this implausible explanation that may not be wholly un-related:
“Sources say the FBI agent fired in two bursts. With a burst of three bullets, Todashev went down, according to this account. Then, to the amazement of the agent and the trooper, the ultimate fighter Todashev came up again. The agent fired four more. It was 12:15, the official time of death, Manukyan says.”
This blog claims that France is the “new Eldorado” for the movement:
http://pdf95.over-blog.com/article-la-france-nouvel-eldorado-du-milli-gorus-67311076.html
It also claims that the movement is involved in honour killings.
@Tim V: Maybe Eric is finding this sort of situation rather commonplace nowadays in the sleepy mountain towns.
The guy who runs the auto repair at 1034 route d’Annecy is Laurent Frery.
Accidentally in his facebook page he is connected both with the Mollier family and with the Brun family (Raph Brun from Ugine).
He seems having played rugby in Ugine.
His picture on facebook looks like a copy of the chevaline robot efit.
The facebook page of Christine Frery (with whom he is connected on fb) shows a lot of graphics with text complaining about police and law enforcement pulling the name of an innocent guy into the dirt.
Perhaps just coincidence and unrelated. No proof other than that.
I just mention what i had seen.
Maybe of interest:
Facebook research confirmed that the families
Mollier, Brun (Ugine), Frery (Ugine), Ouvrier Buffet (Ugine) and Lombard (Ugine) are family related.
Laurent Frery’s son even has Mathis Mollier on his friends list.
Other coincidences:
Rene Lombard is running the Haute Savoie rugby clubs/league.
Both Laurent Frery and Raphael Brun play(ed) Rugby in Ugine (like Sylvain Mollier).
Both Laurent Frery and Raphael Brun are obvious members of the Ugine paintball club due to facebook. SM too?
Another coincidence:
Laurent Frery has a lot of facebook friends who are BMW fans, one of them even using the BMW logo as his facebook picture.
Is Laurent Frery a BMW car repair station at 1034 route d’annecy?
once more:
Franck Lombard (Ugine) is the leader of the political party DIVERS DROIT (DVD) in Ugine who cooperates with FN.
Remember: The Lombard’s, Mollier’s, Frery’s and Brun’s are more or less one big family.
Did Saad drive to Ugine to 1034 route d’annecy to repair his defect wheel in a BMW car repair station?
Just groundless speculation but then the police interview when they would have found that Saad had been in that car repair would make sense if it really was Frery who hadd been suicided later …
Frery Diffusion pneus Ugine.
Wouldn’t you go there if you need a new pneu and some local guy tells you that Frery is a BMW fan?
http://www.e-pro-automobile.fr/savoie/entretien-et-reparation-de-vehicules-automobiles/frery-diffusion-pneus_f3631571
http://m.annuaire.com/garagiste/ugine/
And the plot thickens …..
5 avenue Jules Bianco = “Frery diffusion pneus” (see link) is the SAME HOUSE as Cathy the hairdresser (Mollier’s ex wife Catherine Ouvrier Buffet).
And lethally wounded Frederic Brun did also live in avenue Jules Bianco 5.
Unfortunately at that time in sept 2012 i was too stupid to take a screen shot from the telephone register. But i know what i had seen and i mentioned it here.
does anybody do a screenshot please of the address of “Frery Pneus” as seen in the link above before it disappears?
So Laurent Frery from 1434 route d’annecy has a registered pneu/car wheel business in the same house as SM’s ex wife has her hairdresser saloon and in the same house where Frederic Brun lived ?
Lots of coincidences ….
I hope somebody reads this ….
does this news open pandora’s box?
would somebody drop this info to deadzone41 please? I do request no gratitude and you dont need to mention that it was me who saw that coincidence first.
screenshots would be nice, too.
one small typi correction from
bluebird
11 Jun, 2014 – 9:36 am
Christine Frery is Catherine Frery on facebook.
I did a typo (C = C)
Is Catherine Ouvrier Buffet Catherine Frery nowadays? Would be just another coincidence but av jules bianco 5 would point into that direction. Or is this just another coincidence?
Now over to you. I’ve done my duty for today …
Brun Marc (12 av jules bianco)
Brun F (12 av jules bianco) perhaps an old entry they forgot to remove.
12 av jules bianco is the house opposite of 5 av jules bianco.
They are all one family and they arent accidentally living in av jules bianco since av jules bianco belongs to one family (inheritance). I wrote about that remarkable ownership and history of jules bianco and ugine back in sept/oct 2012 here in this forum.
http://www.annuairetel247.com/brun-marc-ugine-avenue-jules-bianco
I found the place where the photo of SM was taken.
use google maps.
Goto avenue jules bianco 5 (business registration of Laurent Frery and Catherine Ouvrier Buffet, SM’s ex wife).
Then go across the street. There is a building that looks like a school and in its backyard there is a concrete sports field. In its backside there is the valley with the three trees and the other houses in the background.
100% this is the place where that b/w photo was taken. No doubts at all.
@Tim V
10 Jun, 2014 – 11:55 pm
I hear you and I am not saying it’s impossible but to write your own suicide note? Why do it for them?
I think Todachev probably realized his confession was not cosher and therefore possibly equivalent to a suicide note, so he refused to write one.
But why allow your victim to write reams? Each additional page, a possible pitfall to the enterprise. It would be hard enough to get anything in writing out of someone who knew he was about to be killed, let alone 7 pages.
It might work if: The confession was written not at the time of death, There was some kind of MK Ultra methodology (a la Sirhan Sirhan’s notes) The victim drew out the writing of, to prolong his short life expectancy (and the killers let him)
The largest count against though is that we are needlessly being told about the connection, in no uncertain terms by MSM.
Cue, 6 or 7 redundant posts by Q banging on about boulangeries or construction materials?
just a short overview in a graphic as good as it could be in a text related forum.
Sylvain Mollier ——– Rugby Ugine
……………. ——– Ugine
……………. ——– Franck Lombard
……………. Catherine Ouvrier Buffet
……………. av jules bianco 5 (ex wife)
……….killed
Laurent Frery .. ——– Rugby Ugine
……………. ——– Ugine
……………. ——– Franck Lombard
……………. Catherine Ouvrier Buffet
……………. av jules bianco 5
……………. has his pneu business there
……………. registered biz at:
……………. route d’annecy 1034
……………. place where unknown suicided
……………. suicide?
Raphael Brun, Marc Brun, Frederic Brun
……………. ——— Ugine
……………. ——— Raphael Brun Rugby
……………. ——— Franck Lombard
……………. lived opposite of
……………. Catherine Ouvrier Buffet
……………. Frederic Brun killed in
……………. tragic car accident with
……………. his brothers in a mistubishi
……………. 4×4 a few days after SM.
……………. Frederic Brun died.
Is all that just coincidences?
just a theory that would be less complicated
SAH had a defect diffusion pneu.
Driving to Geneve with a defect pneu is quite risky.
Ugine is on their way towards Geneve when they depart from southern lac d’annecy.
After a few kilometers he realises that the pneus are defect and he stops at the BMW car repair and pneus shop at route d’annecy where he passes by on his way to geneve.
Saad is a talkative person and he tells them who he is and what he does and that he is going to pick up valuables in geneve while they are changing the pneu.
the guys in the pneus repair (perhaps the friends frery, brun and SM altogether) are friendly and they advise him to look up combe d’ire once he comes back from geneva because this is such a beautiful place. Brun, SM and Frery expect to meet him there but they have other plans. they want the money but other people already had different plans for Saad, too. They follow him from geneve.
Robbers and Secret service accidentally go for the same victims at the same place.
Possible?
Nice going BB:)
here are the 3 “diffusion pneus” businesses of Laurent Frery.
The one in the house of Catherine Ouvrier Buffet (SM’s ex wife) he closed in 2011. The other one in albertville he closed in 2013. The third one is the one where the suicided guy was found last week.
https://www.score3.fr/FRERY-DIFFUSION-PNEUS-533965026.shtml
https://www.score3.fr/FRERY-LAURENT-412771172.shtml
max, feel free to copy my info into your forum. i dont need any credits.
perhaps others can see some more evidence what i cannot see.
However, without any doubts whatsoever, avenue jules bianco 5 and the opposite house avenue jules bianco 12 and the sports field in the school opposite of avenue jules bianco 5 where the released photo of SM was taken are the keys in that investigation.
Excellent, Bluebird. It’s amazing what brainstorming can accomplish.
Q
if you wouldnt have mentioned having seen in google maps the car repair/tires at 1034 route d’annecy yesterday, i wouldnt have searched for the business. so then the credits go to you for finding that car repair on maps.
thats only possible to get solved when more people are looking into one riddle independently.
@Bluebird: Cathy Coiffure was the name of the place where Frédéric Brun worked, so I went back here: http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis/comment-page-7/?showmore=1
I went to deadzone, as you suggested, and saw that rugby is a common connection. They mentioned a PH of the sapeurs-pompiers. There happens to be a very clear photo of someone with that name, of the right age, from Chambéry, Rhône-Alpes, France on myspace.
The link I posted here is from the PDF campaigning in the spring of 2010:
http://pdf95.over-blog.com/article-la-france-nouvel-eldorado-du-milli-gorus-67311076.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_France
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen
Jean-Marie Le Pen comes up again. The traditionalist Catholics are mentioned on his page, which might connect a person who came up on this forum a while back as a traditionalist Catholic of similar ilk.
I was thinking that the phone calls and Saad’s disappearances from the campground might make sense if he needed something as common as a tire repair, or mechanic work for his vehicle.
I had gone down the back streets of Ugine yesterday, checking out mechanic shops and may have seen that field. The photo of SM didn’t even occur to me.
I keep thinking how easy it would have been to hide a vehicle in Ugine. There are many private garages and old buildings that could have been used, but apparently it’s as easy as throwing a blue tarp over top of one on the main drag through town.
I also forgot to mention that the Millî Görüş has a social arm. They arrange summer camps for girls, and camping caravan trips for families. Just another coincidence.
Covering all the bases:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2351467/Three-Afghan-stowaways-hiding-tiny-caravan-waiting-board-ferry-France-Britain.html#ixzz2Xce1TriF
The 27e is a source of recruits for this division:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Marine_Infantry_Parachute_Regiment
Bluebird’s question of 19 Dec, 2012 at 9:31 am:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis/comment-page-50/#comment-386393
Did anyone ever bring up the name of the family that owned the campground Le Solitaire du Lac?
Basketball is another popular sport.
BTW, did you know that “La meilleure boulangerie de France 2014 en Haute Savoie le mercredi 11 juin 2014” as a “Mollier-name” boulanger? The name is everywhere in the area.
I could have sworn the cover photo of Gault & Millau magazine for May 2014 was an image of the young Sylvain Mollier, but that is what happens when you stare at photos on the internet for too long.
@Bluebird 11 June, 2014 12:46 pm:
On a common theme.
“I’m looking for a place to pick up some things for a picnic in the mountains. Can you suggest anything?”
“Sure, my good friend from basketball runs an excellent boulangerie, first class place. Why don’t you stop in there before you head out of town? You won’t find anything as good in the villages.”
http://www.ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=16636
#29 here is a LF, driving a Renault Clio Ragnotti.
I’ve been looking at rally helmets. Could someone please tell me how a rally helmet would be the same as/different from the helmet illustrated on the composite sketch, later said to be someone resembling Eric Devouassoux?