The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
There’s another aspect to wind turbines, for anyone living near a nuclear facility:
https://www.wind-watch.org/news/2012/07/16/will-wind-turbines-and-low-level-radioactive-waste-mix-well-in-port-granby/
No matter how you look at it, wind turbines cause currents of air that move particles around.
@Pink: It’s time to mention that a white Peugeot was parked at the place called “Mairie Chevaline”, right next door to Sylvie Lecoeur’s home. Then recently, I went back and learned that the place is now labelled as some sort of forestry business, perhaps a contractor for the government’s forestry service? It also had a van with some dodgy-looking characters inside on the original Google view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIczR1tArHw
From Feb. 11, 2012, “Non au Gaz de schiste ! Haute Savoie”.
https://www.facebook.com/ngds74
Protest Songs from Kent, Cardiff, etc.:
http://www.my-pages.net/alerteschiste/chants.php?language=en
There is also an Algerian link on the group’s Facebook page, Pink:
http://www.terraeco.net/L-Algerie-nouveau-terrain-de-jeu,55422.html
I don’t know where this angle is heading, Pink, but the people of Haute-Savoie might want to seek out the news video of this woman’s tap water catching on fire:
http://www.greenmuze.com/climate/energy/2562-ugly-reality-of-fracking.html
That’s right. A nation saw it with their own eyes on national news.
Starting from here below (an already known and early posted list of S&P participants), I found Nicolas Mollier Loison to be the link between SM, Frery, Ouvrier Buffet and Brun/Boscardin families.
Nicolas (Didier) Mollier Loison is the son of Didier Mollier Loison. Didier lives(d) in the first house of avenue Jules Bianco. Only about 200 meters from av jules bianco 5 and not far from 1034 route d’annecy either.
http://solidariteprogres73.elunet.fr/index.php/tag/COMIT%C3%89%20DE%20SOUTIEN
genealogy of the ugine molliers
http://h1.heredis-online.com/fr/Molliercarroz/famille_mollier_carroz/individus#3104
address of didier mollier loison (everything is in the av jules bianco area)
http://www.annuairetel247.com/mollier-loison-didier-ugine-imp-source
facebook page of our link nicolas mollier
https://facebook.com/nicolas.mollierloison
This is his business (same biz as Laurent Frery)
https://facebook.com/savoie.vapeur
http://corporama.com/fr/societe/mollier-loison/508615788
That far this is just a link within the Mollier family.
Gabriel Mollier Loison from Ugine (another Mollier Loison, supposingly Nicolas’ brother) posted on his facebook page on Oct 3rd 2012 in french: “Thanks to all our friends for the wishes/condolences”
Evelyne Mollier Loison (mother of Nicolas and supposingly Gabriel) doesnt have many friends on facebook, but one of her few fb friends is Catherine Boscardin (yes, the mother of the deceased Frederic Brun).
Nicolas Mollier Loison, Laurent Frery and the Ouvrier Buffet family are best friends on facebook while all of them (also two of the Ouvrier Buffets) are running car repair/diffusion pneu companies in Haute Savoie area, particularly in Albertville, Ugine and Grignon.
All of them are either living in av jules bianco or in the immediate area of av. jules bianco. They are/were all of them more or less living in a close neighbourhood.
Frery is from Montbrison while the other listed families including SM did grow up and went to school in Ugine.
facebook research of these families definitely shows us a close connection between the families Mollier, Mollier-Carroz, Mollier-Loison, Boscardin, Brun, Laurent Frery and Ouvrier Buffet.
The other common link is S&P (except for Frery) and car repair/pneus (except for Boscardin/Brun and SM).
Q what I was looking for is something that would connect SAH with SM .
Moala and Oishi share an address in coombe lane is that just an accountants address or is it a business address ?
Or did they rent the property at different times possibly ?
I don’t think its going anywhere as such I was chasing down energy links I had seem Moala before and one of the names linked to salford I was curious about the two addresses being the same .
I have a rather chaotic way of researching so if you cant see any thing there is probably nothing to see .
I am not cut out for sleuthing 🙂
I’ll leave you to it, Pink. Remember when Saad al-Hilli’s friend Gary Aked said he had become radicalized in online forums? If true, he might have connected with organizations in France, possibly in the Dordogne where he owned a home. Were the harkis and black feet movements part of his world? Was he involved with other groups in France or the U.K.? The Dordogne has puzzled me. The trips to France for his job could have been more than his official work, or not. That is what I wonder about. This may or may not be how things played out:
http://thetruthserumblog.blogspot.ca/2012/09/long-time-friend-of-saad-al-hilli.html
Q It’s way beyond my knowledge to look at these groups I have no background knowledge to draw on ,on what Gary said everyone was interested in 911 and there was no shortage of views all over the net and again snowdon drew a lot of interest if SAH was incensed then he would be more vocal it doesn’t mean he acted on it, to date I have never seen any one come up with any of these online rants to draw a conclusion.
When something upsets me I tend to have a rant at anyone who will listen.
How does Gary know what SAH was doing in chat rooms was he there too or was he spying on him ?
I do wonder what neighbour Jack knew about SAH’s frame of mind that he told the police about, none of it seems to have got them any closer to catching the killers .
Something led them to Mr Abijohn though.
Gary Aked is a huge question mark.
Back to fracking, Oil for Food came up in this story about a fracking company executive:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/fracking-firm-chairman-cited-for-role-in-un-iraq-scandal-1.1319356
What if SARL Jules Bianco had been involved in the oil for food fraud, too? And Saad’s father had kickback ecidence documents?
SARL Jules Bianco was an oil company in the 1990tees.
Catherin Ouvrier Buffet is a Bianco.
Then we would have a link between SM, Brun and Frery on one side and Saad on the other side. Was there still Saddam’s kickback money in a bank account that were both parties trying to access? The Biancos requesting that this was their money while Saad requesting that this was Iraqi money? Did they agree to split the money but something went wrong and one of them (or a third party) did suddenly request all of the money?
Just speculations but would fit and perhaps present a key for a possible SM-SAH meeting.
Fracking ,bribery it’s enough to send me on a rant ,I am not going to be any use I don’t have a clue I will stay simple and just look at what I can understand.
Could SAH have been tracing money exchange ,something that came to light through the death of his father ?
@Pink:
http://www.meattradenewsdaily.co.uk/news/270210/iraq___the_australian_wheat_board_scandal.aspx
Mr. Norman Davidson Kelly is accused of “milking millions” out of Iraq. The “elusive British go-between and former senior BHP executive” is said to have deposited money in a bank account in Gibraltar in his own company’s name, taking a cut for himself, before he high-tailed it to Canada.
The Khalakan block mentioned is in Kurd territory in norhern Iraq. As I recall, that area is also known for gypsum.
I do not know if this person was in any way connected with the entities who want to frack the Haute-Savoie.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/who-is-tigris-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-bhp/2006/02/03/1138958910146.html
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13306
There are many more articles like this about Tigris.
http://www.iowatch.org/oilforfood6.pdf
Could SAH have gone to meet someone in the anti-fracking movement in the Haute-Savoie?
@BB
I do not remember more what was the relationship between Sabrina and Silvain ?
I can’t find on web, perhaps I am too lazy today !
Thanks
@BB I assume the police would have been all over those kind of connections wouldn’t they ,food for oil was mentioned in the press but I am not aware of it going anywhere,the article Q linked to mentioned intercepted emails ,who intercepted them I have not come across anything like that ?
As a matter of interest how would it work if SAH did have to hand over money from Liechtenstein to someone, how would he get the money and how would he pay it would it be a cash transaction or money transfer or what ?
The No Fracking France group is part of an international group opposed to fracking around the world. Note the column on the left with links to these groups:
http://nofrackingfrance.fr/
Note: Elisabelle Bourgue, Présidente de l’association nationale « NO Fracking France », Savoie Alpes, France.
Les Bauges is on the line when it comes to shale gas fracking:
http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-savoie/2012/04/12/le-parc-naturel-des-bauges-ne-veut-pas-des-gaz-de-schiste
Then we have this:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2012/sep/06/french-alps-shooting-interactive-map
Why did Saad al-Hilli pack up his family and head to the Haute-Savoie at the start of the school year? Why did they go to that remote location for a “picnic”? Does anyone from the UN Oil for Food scandal have connections to the Haute-Savoie, and the companies that lobbied for shale-gas fracking in the area? Motive could be found if someone did have those connections.
Back to this tale of a Total Oil executive’s murder, a caravan, and the Dordogne. We discussed this long ago.
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britsh-handyman-on-trial-for-dordogne-murder-of-golf-course-owner-26858984.html
And this:
http://www.iowatch.org/oilforfood6.pdf
“The chief of oil giant Total, Christophe de Margerie, and former French Interior Minister Charles Pasqua appeared in a French court on Tuesday over allegations of corruption and bribery in the United Nations oil-for-food programme in Iraq….”
News from Kent:
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/fracking-delay-7608/
This may all be random and unrelated.
Remembering that British Ambassador to France Sir Peter Ricketts was once chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee with the U.S., long before he became involved in the incident at the Combe d’Ire.
These were no ordinary tourists, and Sir Peter Ricketts knows it.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/iraq-isis-seizes-saddam-husseins-chemical-weapons-storage-163210340.html#ncTIGX4
“Iraq: Isis Seizes Saddam Hussein’s Chemical Weapons Storage Facility”
Russia’s alleged plot involving fracking in Europe:
http://business.financialpost.com/2014/06/20/russia-in-secret-plot-against-fracking-warns-nato-chief/?__lsa=f00d-916b
Greenpeace asks what NATO leaders have been smoking. This is not a spoof site.
It seems strange that a man can be found shot dead, in Ugine, France, yet even after a fortnight, he has not yet been named, which is peculiar since everybody in that town will know who he is.
@Michael Norton: Death by shooting in the Haute-Savoie has become so commonplace that no one cares anymore? Or are they all afraid to open their mouths for fear they will be next?
From June 22, 2014: A 26-year-old cyclist has died in a 50-metre fall off a cliff, at around noon.
http://www.ledauphine.com/savoie/2014/06/22/ugine-un-cycliste-de-26-ans-chute-mortellement
Human smuggling cases are becoming a regular occurrence in Savoie:
http://www.mannecy.fr/32232-un-an-de-prison-pour-des-passeurs-en-savoie.html
Meanwhile, there has been a labor-intensive heroin bust over in Ain:
http://www.mannecy.fr/32225-coup-de-filet-antidrogue-dans-l-ain.html
Another Fred Brun from the cycling world:
http://la-dordogne-cycliste.allmyblog.com/1545-nontron-et-son-cyclisme-9o-publication.html
http://la-dordogne-cycliste.allmyblog.com/1545-nontron-et-son-cyclisme-9o-publication.html
Does anyone remember exactly where the other Fred Brun had the accident in the Pajero? Was it anywhere near the cycling accident that claimed a life on June 22, 2014? There are steep cliffs in that area. How many people get run off the road by reckless motorists in that area?
Not long before sylvain Mollier was shot dead, his two boys by his former wife moved in with Sylvain and his girlfriend. I wonder now he is dead, have they moved back with their mother.
I ask this because there may well be a connection with the ex-paratrooper found shot dead in Ugine.