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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • michael norton

    I would have thought it would be very, very unlikely that five Gypsies, living locally would have the nerve shoot Madame Nicole Communal-Tournier.

    This was only a few days after the efit was distributed.

    They are probably being fitted up.

  • michael norton

    You’d be hard pressed to make this stuff up.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20100426-sarkozy-balladur-deal-cancelled-karachi-2002-bomb-french-engineers-submarines/
    “La piste Balladur”, or the “Balladur track”, as it’s being called in France, refers to allegations that a May 2002 attack in the Pakistani city of Karachi that killed 11 French engineers is linked to the 1995 presidential election campaign of former French Prime Minister Edouard Balladur.
    The director of Balladur’s 1995 presidential campaign bid was Sarkozy.

    It’s a complicated plot involving the killing of 14 people — including 11 French engineers — in a volatile Pakistani city, a plot that involves defence sales, kickbacks and intermediaries channelling millions of dollars worth of cash into a bank account.

  • Q

    It’s more than that, MN:

    https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/content/malaysia-thales-supply-electronic-system-integration-257-armoured-wheeled-vehicles

    http://defense-studies.blogspot.ca/2014/02/thales-on-board-littoral-combat-ships.html

    Note: communications systems, “sanitisation”. With so many sonars, it’s a shame none of them are being used in the search for MH370.

    You’re right about the bribery and kickback scandal, which apparently would never get to court in Malaysia. The Malaysians seem to excel at this sort of thing, par excellence. Maybe it’s all coming home to roost in France.

    Remember “Chevaline”.

    http://www.cnduk.org/trident-briefings/101-cnd-special-report-the-next-chevaline-scandal

  • michael norton

    Sorry, almost certainly the wrong couple of Tournier’s.
    Nicole’s surviving husband is Jean – Paul.

    It is interesting that the family believe the shooting of Madame Nicole Communal-Tournier
    could have been a kidnapping gone wrong.

  • michael norton

    Jean-Claude Deronzier, mayor of Doussard, plunged 120 metres to his death in 2009.
    One week after the Chevaline Massacre, (The most bullets were pumped into Sylvain Mollier)
    the Communal-Tournier sisters had a double wedding with Deronzier’s sons.
    One week after the efit was released, Madame Nicole Communal-Tournier was eliminated.
    Recently an unnamed family aquaintance of Mollier was found shot dead.
    All these events happened in a very proximate area,
    where many people know each others business, many of whom have related families.

    Whatever the cause of the Chevaline Massacre, these other deadly goings on will have local reasons, not related to the Al Hilli Family.

  • Tim V

    Q I’ve been away for a while. I shall have to catch up soon. Looks as if there has been some interesting discussion. Stuff at Inquiringminds if anyone interested in wider spooky developments not least CIA sending team to sort out MI6! Nothing to do with Chevaline of course.

  • bluebird

    A couple of weks ago, Suzanne Mollier nee Ginolin died at age of 78 in Albertville. I believe that she was Sylvain’s mother.
    Her maiden name “Ginolin” is something to consider ….

    Avis de décès de Suzanne MOLLIER

    Alain, Christophe, François, Sylviane, ses enfants; ses belles-filles; ses petits-enfants; son arrière-petit-fils; sa sœur; ses beaux-frères et belles-sœurs, et toute la famille ont la tristesse de vous faire part du décès de

    Suzanne MOLLIER née GINOLIN

    à l’âge de 78 ans.Selon sa volonté, ses obsèques ont eu lieu dans l’intimité familiale.Cet avis tient lieu de faire-partet de remerciements.

    Albertville Albertville

  • michael norton

    What if Steven Havutcu was one of the five Gypsies arrested for the murder /attempted kidnap of Nicole.
    The daughters are Jean-Paul’s, not Nicole’s but if the serious fight in the pizzera was about jealously of the impending wedding of one of the Communal-Tournier daughters, this fight happened three weeks before the double wedding?

  • bluebird

    michael norton

    Havatcu is a Kurdish family from Diyabakyr.Kurds are no gipsys.

  • bluebird

    Faverges had a gypsies problem already back in 2009.
    The mood of the locals had been very aggressive regarding more people from the East arriving with caravans into their region.

    Very interesting video:

    150 caravanes près du Lycée La Fontaine (Faverges): http://youtu.be/HbEayVOxvXA

    very interesting comments of locals regarding that video:

    http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?gl=NG&hl=en-GB&v=HbEayVOxvXA

    Often europeans have problems to distinguish between kurds, turks, iraqis and gypsies as they look all very similar for white europeans’ eyes.

  • Q

    I’m watching a developing news story right now, involving two interrelated families. One family is known to have run a drug business. The other family has vanished. There was a violent incident at the scene, but no bodies. Not related to this, but people are asking if both families could have been in on the venture, and had a falling out.

  • NR

    @bluebird 6 Jul, 2014 – 8:22 pm
    “???? Is that just a fake website or could anybody do something with that weird text???”

    It’s from an automatically generated page to get hits for Louis Vuitton or Louboutin or whatever. In this case they used some blog that copied an article in the UK Telegraph. The double-tap was in reference to the murders and Suzanne Ginolin appears further on commenting on SM, unrelated to the double-taps. The page splices random sentences together.

    It’s a shorter example of such pages, many are very long. Sometimes the proper names are in tiny fonts so you don’t see them, but search engines do.

    There’s some science to it as they are outwitting the search algorithms and presumably making a bit of money.

  • michael norton

    Although the five persons who have been arrested on suspicion of killing
    Nicole Communal-Tournier have variously been described as Gypsies, only two were found to be staying at a Gypsy camp. The 40 year old carpenter was said to be staying in Doussard.
    Some reports talk of a carbine, which seems to be a short riffle but Eric M. describes the killing weapon as a shot gun.
    Eric seems to have difficulty with differentiating weapons.
    Apparently “the case is solved”
    Surely until the conclusion of the court case, it is not proved?

  • michael norton

    This video of Gypsies in the area in 2009 has Jean Claude Deronzier, Marie de Doussard.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRVeA_o_EFU

    This must be very shortly before he plunged to his doom in 2009.

    I think this is getting us closer to the “Blood Fued” in Dossard – Lathuil

  • michael norton

    Jean-Claude Deronzier seems to have met his end on 18th October 2009.
    It would seem he lived at 185 Route de Chaparon,
    same road Camping Ideal is on, very close neighbours to Nicole and B.M.
    I wonder if Bret went to their parties.

  • bluebird

    NR
    many thanks for the answer. i was anyway suspicious regarding that website.

    Though i am still suspicious about SM’s family. The children of his “aunt” were his brothers and sisters in his obituary as far as i remember (if i actually remember correct).

    if so, how could the children if his “aunt” be his brothers and sister???? incest?

  • bluebird

    michale norton

    the court report regarding that local “vendetta” in doussard that i had posted several months ago (steve havutcu) actually happened in a pizzeria in faverges.
    faverges is the village on the opposite side of doussard on the road across col d’ire.

  • bluebird

    Actually Suzanne Mollier (Ginolin) lived in 1 av du serbie which is only a few steps away from 5 av jules bianco.
    ouvrier buffet, brun, frery and suzanne mollier (officially the aunt, but actually mother of SM’s brothers and sister) were almost neighbours.
    The schoolyard where the released b/w photo of SM was shot (av jules bianco 60) is also just 1 minute from Suzanne Mollier’s house.

  • bluebird

    Salon Lydie (the coiffeur business of Sylvain’s divorced wife) was in 18 av de serbie, just 250 yards from the house of Suzanne Mollier.

  • Q

    Given that dial-a-dopers sometimes use pizza shops as a front (order an unusual topping or two, and the order arrives “hot”), would it be a surprise if various other assorted items could be purchased this way?

    Would people “like” a pizza shop on Facebook if its pizza was only mediocre, according to reviews?

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