The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
It would seem that William Brett Martin, The Communal-Tournier family and the Deronzier Family are living cheek by jowl. In 2009 Jean-Claude Deronzier le maire de Doussard et Président de la communauté de commune du pays de Faverges, features in a (videoed) demonstration by the local French people against an invasion of 150 caravans of Travellers.
on October 18th 2009 Jean-Paul Deronzier plunged to his doom on Cold’Ire.
Is this not remarkably adjacent to the Chevaline Massacre site, Route d’Ire?
Quote BB
“The court report regarding that local “vendetta” in doussard that I had posted several months ago (steve havutcu) actually happened in a pizzeria in faverges.
faverges is the village on the opposite side of doussard on the road across col d’ire.”
So Jean-Paul Deronzier was not only the maire of Doussard, he was also the president of Faverges
In 2009 the 150 caravans descend on Faverges, the locals are angry, they have a demonstration and video it, several local maires speak, including the president of Faverges, Jean-Paul Deronzier.
Shortly afterwards, Jean-Paul Deronzier plunges to his doom on Col d’Ire.
A serious set of incidents occurs in Faverges, resulting in a couple being hospitalised and Steven Havutcu being imprisioned.
Very close in time to this, the two Deronzier sons marry the two Communal-Tournier daughters.
September 2012 the Chevaline massacre occurs on Route Forestière Domaniale de la Combe d’Ire, Willian Brett Martin is said to have been first on the scene, post incident.
WBM is a close neighbour of the family Deronzier and the family Communal-Tournier.
An efit is released, one week later five men ( some may have been Gypsies) break in the home of the family Communal-Tornier, shooting Nicole dead but they also went equipped with tape and collars, this is not a normal break-in, this smacks of a Blood Feud as hinted at by Eric M.
Still doubtful whether or not the Havutcu family are gypsies. They are Kurds. Although there are Kurdish gypsies and although turkish and iranian right wings are calling all Kurds to be “gypsies” because they are nomadic folks and they never had their own state inside one ertain territory, but they are neither Roma nor Sinti.
Of course, right wing French people might call the Kurds “gypsies”, too. Without any doubts, many Kurds are involved in drugs and weapons smuggling, including PKK.
Nevertheless this video is a very good document regarding the late JC Deronzier.
So who’s the ex husband then ? We missed this !
“Benoit Vinnemann, one of the most senior police commanders working on the case, said Iqbal Al-Hilli was ‘secretly married’ to an American dentist 13 years her senior identified only as James T, between February 1999 and December 2000”.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2684400/Al-Hilli-Alps-muirder-Police-investigating-deaths-British-family-shot-French-Alps-reveal-wife-secret-ex-husband-died-America-day.html#ixzz36sdi85At
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2684400/Al-Hilli-Alps-muirder-Police-investigating-deaths-British-family-shot-French-Alps-reveal-wife-secret-ex-husband-died-America-day.html
OMG…. how the tale keeps twisting,this is incredible !
James, you beat me to it. what an amazing find after all this time.
We surely can see now that this is either an honour killing or information related ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2684400/Al-Hilli-Alps-muirder-Police-investigating-deaths-British-family-shot-French-Alps-reveal-wife-secret-ex-husband-died-America-day.html
A shocker Katie indeed !
Is this related or just another “red herring” ?
It is bizarre that they both died on the same day.
The official cause of death was a heart attack, said Lt Col Vinnemann, but ‘we still haven’t had a response to certain questions,’ he added, saying that ‘we have discovered some astonishing things.’
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James, you are so right we missed that one completely.
I’m sure BB will be on the case in no time! Watch this space!!
James, Mochyn .
Do you ‘really ‘ believe it’s a coincidence ex hubby died the same day……….just like those pigs which flew over the crime scene that day ?
Can’t wait to hear about the next coincidence. 🙂
i think that i found that guy. he’s the only one who died on this day and the initials are correct.
James Dudley Thompson
Parents & Siblings
James Augustus Thompson
Addie Lee Tucker
Aubrey Daniel ThompsonHalf-Siblings
Charles Jerry Robertson
Judith Ann Robertson
1st Spouse & Children
Ingrid
No Children
2nd Spouse & Children
Jennifer
Justin Dudley Thompson
Joshua Thompson
3rd Spouse & Children
Tosha
No Children
4th Spouse & Children
Linda Tutor
Joy Aaron Thompson
Who is Iqbal?
Ingrid, Tosha, Jennifer or Linda Tutor??
No marriage records anywhere in USA.
James Dudley Thompson
Birth 8 Apr 1952 in Holly Springs, Marshall, Mississippi, USA
Death 5 Sep 2012 in Natchez, Adams, Mississippi, USA
Date
5 Sep 2012
Location
Natchez, Adams, Mississippi, USA
Description
Massive heart-attack. He stopped at a red light and died. The traffic continued around him, the other drivers thinking his truck had broke down. After about forty five minutes the woman at the gas station, across the street, called the police.
https://www.meaningfulfunerals.net/mobile/obituaries-details.cfm?o_id=1581448&fh_id=11269#obituaries
with photo:
http://www.southreporter.com/2012/wk37/obits.html
http://www.peoplefinders.com/p/james+thompson/natchez/ms
This could be his grandfather or an uncle but not 100% sure yet (malaysia, thailand and CIA plus lots of conspiracy)
http://www.thingsasian.com/stories-photos/2761
Take note of the man’s name, not muslim/Iraqi.
I wonder who his friends were & what circle he mixed in.
Is this getting closer to O , what could be more ‘astonishing’ ?
Hi BB.
We did see a photo of Igbal …. eventually. So was that not published in the states because surely some of his friends would have connected the dots ?
OR…had she had surgery ?
BLue
“4th spouse and children”.
Am I reading this right ? He was a busy dentist ???
And you say there is “No” marriage records ?
So busy…and under the radar ?
Tosha ? Name “sounds” a bit exotic. Maybe Middle Eastern. And “No children”.
Could that be a “fit” ???
there is an ingrid thompson who is a dentist.
http://www.smilesaversoflaurel.com/
james
tosha is a prominent girl name in the usa. there are 15 tosha thompsons on linkedin, let alone on facebook many more.
That’s right BB, see there are thousands in the US.
http://names.whitepages.com/first/Tosha
Ah ! Just sounded “exotic”.
The report says he was a “General Contractor” not a dentist ?
Maybe the newspaper getting that wrong ? As everything else fits.
Age, cause of death, location.
Was he a “builder” ? Or are there other “contractors” these days ????
A Iraqi born “Swede” marries a US guy and then she’s working in Dubai ?
What was a dentist doing driving a ‘truck’ ?
That sounds more like a redneck….. no offence meant to rednecks.
james
might be that his ex wife Ingrid was the dentist and he just had the money and the business.
Maybe Iqbal studied in the USA (she was a dentist) and she searched for a job and he gave her the job. perhaps marriage for money in return for a visa? A one year marriage would point suspicion into such a direction.
what comes to my attention is that 2 of his children of two different mothers have jewish names (aaron and joshua).
so then, did iqbal marry a jew?
al hillis crypto jews as previously expected? would explain the friendship with their jewish neighbour.
Blue….
One thing I never got was, how did Iqbal do (believed to have done) so much training, yet never became a dentist ?
And where ? You don’t “train” in a dental surgery to become a dentist.
It’s university (for several years) and then go to a practice.
She was at a practice….but she didn’t have a “doctorate”.
Perhaps a “dental nurse” ? Perhaps a dental nurse in the US ?
How the hell did she marry this dude ?
Blue…
Whilst the age, location, cause of death and initials “fit” this guy, there is no record of a marriage (in the U.S.).
Was he working overseas in construction ?
Saad met her in Dubai (or so it is reported). She went back to the Middle East from the USA ? It’s getting damn weird this story !
here is another obituary
they forgot some of his ex wives here. the previous hard copy is from ancestry.com and this is most certainly correct because it was submitted by himself when he was alive.
http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/2012/09/08/jim-thompson-2/
james
maybe he became a general contractor only after iraq war # 1 ???
could timely fit for a meeting with iqbal’s family.
BB.
No marriage records , what about divorce records ?
this is one of his sons
http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Aaron_Thompson.html
katie: no marriage records, no divorce records.
looks as if he married and lived abroad or else these records had been removed.
this is his daughter
http://www.peoplefinders.com/d/joy+martinolich/1-319805709
his uncle dudley gibbons thompson definitely is of christian religion.
http://www.southreporter.com/2006/wk3/dale.html
Thanks BB, so what about meeting & marrying in Sweden ?
His family believe that his death was an instance of the old “shot-with-a-poisoned-dart-whilst-waiting-at-traffic-lights-trick” …
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2684400/Al-Hilli-Alps-muirder-Police-investigating-deaths-British-family-shot-French-Alps-reveal-wife-secret-ex-husband-died-America-day.html
interesting article, peter.
so then i got the right one.
Now we just need a link between the mysterious but famous CIA/ OSS guy Jim/James Thompson who did found Thai silk company and who disappeared in 1967.
He is giving me a headache because so far i wasnt able to link him with our thompson family.
The other headache he is giving me is that his same name ruins all search attempts for the real jim/james thomoson in regards to iraq, dubai and sweden
still there is a mystery about why iqbal married a christian (or jewish) american?
marriage for visa?
faked secret service / CIA marriage?
And why arent there any documents regarding her marriage and why using a false name for iqbal?
marriage 1998 to hide her identity? was she followed up by saddams killers after the shia uprise 1998? did she marry a CIA agent to cover her identity and to protect her from killers?
lots of possible theories and questions.