The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
James.
I’m sure Iqbal would have heard on the grapevine or through relatives about the Al Hilli wealth………most sequestered before they left Iraq though.
Or maybe Saad was a bit of a braggart & he wooed her that way, maybe when she went to Claygate to meet the family she summed it up ?
Smart girl. ;-))
@Katie
Kinda, It looks a good opportunity for her.
Better than saying…..
“I’m married to a redneck at the moment….but I’ll be free soon”.
Do they say in America “pay dirt” ?
My bet. The family “Al Shakey / Al Saffar” knew of Kadhim’s cash.
Saad’s on the market….and they “get it together” in Dubaishire.
What a chance find he was.
He gets a wife (and the cash). The wife gets “another stab at being wifey”.
It’s a “win win”.
Saad never met Iqbal “by chance”. No way.
And Iqbal was never a denist. No way.
Maybe “someone” wanted paying for this “arrangement” ?
So “You get a wife, you get a husband…..and I get what”
James.
Muslim men have to pay a dowry to the future wife & which if the marriage goes wrong she gets to keep ..if she has not spent it !
‘First, the mahr is the dowry given to the bride at the time of marriage before consummation takes place.[30] She is not required to share this dowry and is free to do what she wishes with the gift.[31] Cultural traditions often shape the dowry gift because there are essentially no requirements other than the actual giving of the dowry.[32] For example, some cultures encourage cash payments while others traditionally give one of the groom’s family heirlooms to the bride.[33] The families involved will typically discuss the dowry and their individual expectations. The bride is often asked her opinion to make sure she receives a gift she enjoys. However, the actual mahr will take many different forms and practitioners who review Muslim marriage contracts will see a variety of items being given as the mahr.[34]
Muakhr is the second type of dowry that is given upon the death of the husband or the couple’s divorce.[35] This is also referred to as the “deferred” dowry.[36] Muakhr is meant for both financial support and as a large consequence that the couple should consider when contemplating divorce.[37] In situations of death, this amount is paid out before the estate is divided.[38] If the estate cannot cover the entire amount, the wife is entitled to collect the amount from the husband’s surviving family members who are also heirs to the estate.[39] She can also waive the obligation for any reason, including hardship on her husband’s family.[40]’
http://wmlawandpractice.com/2011/04/11/women’s-rights-in-islam-regarding-marriage-and-divorce/
http://rt.com/news/171760-hamas-dimona-nuclear-rocket/
Things hotting up in Israel.
Palastinians rocketing a nuclear facility – on purpose
@ Micheal Norton…
Think you’re on the wrong thread dear chap. This is about a murder in The Alps.
What you seem to be posting…is about something different.
Why not find a thread that deals with that ?
I wonder if the close friend in New Zealand who was like a sister knew about this marriage?
Gary Aked mentioned Saad had pinched his girlfriend was that Iqbal ?
The postman had not seen Iqbal at the house that’s something to keep in mind .
I wonder also about blackmail could someone have been putting pressure on Saad might it explain his stress and thoughts of going back to Irac given this new information I am wondering if SAH had found out .
Pink, that’s a good point about Gary Aked.
The girlfriend could not have been Iqbal …. unless he was in Dubai too ?
Blackmail had crossed my mind, but being done by Saad.
NZ friend
https://www.facebook.com/nada.younis.33
Gary Aked
Sep 15, 2012 22:00 By Dominic Herbert
Family friend who knew Mr al-Hilli for 20 years fears his internet chatroom attacks on Israel and Jews is reason for Alps murders
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-islamic-rants-1326315
Good point Pink.
That NEVER got mentioned. You think it would.
I think that Iqbal was Sabah al Shaikly’s wife. There’s something wrong in him marrying Mary Weatherly and divorcing her later. And Ikbal doesn’t fit to Jim Thompson either.
I believe that he simply wanted a younger (second) wife and his uncle Jim T. was used as a legal cover because you cannot have two wives in the USA. Just think logic.
It isnt realistic that Iqbal al Saffar was poor and helpless in the USA. No al Saffar is poor. It isnt realistic that al Saffar didnt know al Shaikhly and it isnt logic that al Shaikhly didnt know the al Hilli family. They all of them knew each other very well long ago from working in the embassy in London and in the United Nations in NY.
Can anyone work out where SAH was working back then ?
It says in the mirror article
“Family friend who knew Mr al-Hilli for 20 years”
and
“He joked that when they first met at an engineering firm, Saad had stolen his then-girlfriend.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-islamic-rants-1326315#ixzz376ZUQvrB
Nice link there Pink.
I think it’s stolen a girlfriend.
But it shows something. Saad was “a man about town”.
So how does this “US Iraqi” bird turn up ?
Now my “what the f8888” hairs are tingling. You guys want “spies”.
I like “truth”.
Pink has just given a corker we forgot.
Blue….. take your glasses off !
@James 10 Jul, 2014 – 6:26 pm
There certainly was a ‘mark’
and a ‘marksman’. . .
It may be significant that so far THREE distinct personas/identies have now been established for Saad’s wife, who we have been told was one of the victims in the car. If she also used her mother’s name she might have used FOUR. (Al Saffar. al Allaf. Thompson. al Hilli) This is not conjecture.
To fly from Sweden to (?) Dubai; from Dubai to America; from America to Dubai; from Dubai to London; from London to Chevaline (plus wherever and whenever she travelled before, during or after) she needed passports but the passport name was probably different. For example travelling to America it was probably Iqbal al Saffar whereas on her return after marriage to Jim Thompson it could easily have been “Kelly Thompson” an American citizen. So we immediately have the possibility of the classical multi-passport agent, though of course not proving it. These four possibilities, all having the advantage of truthfulness does not not exclude the possibility of more.
One of the consequences of this as it relates to the death of Jim Thompson is first how Maillaud/Vinnemann discovered the connection as it might not have been immediately obvious as demonstrated by the fact that it has taken nearly two years to come out? One might have expected, given the extraordinary coincidence of Iqbal’s ex dying on precisely the same day and even local time (almost) would have been headline news at the time if the connection had been realised.
Conversely it would appear the American family either didn’t make the connection or kept it quiet. Alternatively it could have been there WAS nothing to connect Iqbal al Hilli and Kelly Thompson (nee Iqbal al Saffah) in their minds at the time. If they had connected the two events, it would have been much less likely that Jim’s death would have been treated in quite the same way. (Obviously he was buried rather than cremated or there wouldn’t be the option of exhumation and post-mortem testing.)
So on both sides of the Atlantic, the awareness of the American connection appears to have come late in the day so the question arises from what quarter was this information provided? In law how many nationalities (and passports) could she lay claim to? (I can think of at least four probably) As usual and true to form you notice the French side advance a theory and then retract it in respect of both the coincidence of the same day deaths and the Iraqi hit-man, who however is conveniently kept locked up on another (revealed) charge. Meanwhile Algerian terrorists planning to blow up the Eiffel Tower abound apparently.
unrevealed charge*
Quote from Mr Al shaikhly “friend”
“I wanted to be a good person so I let her stay with me in Atlanta.
She had moved out here to be a doctor,
so I took her to Emory University to see if it was possible.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2687572/Iraqi-denies-arranged-marriage-Alps-massacre-mother-U-S-man-claims-died-day-pure-coincidence.html
How many careers /identities does Iqbal need?
Michael Norton
11 Jul, 2014 – 6:43am
“I wanted to be a good person so I let her stay with me in Atlanta.”
***
That’s exactly why i suggest that she was his second wife. Mrs. Weatherly did never live in Atlanta. At that time in 1999 she already had 4 children with Mr al Shaikhly, the youngest of them, Coriana Elisabeth, about 2 years of age.
Mrs. Weatherly always lived in Marrero. Also Jim Thompson lived in Marrero at that time what is the home of their parents Janes Augustus Thompson and Addie Tucker.
Mr. al Shaikhly left aline his wife and his four children and he moved to Atlanta where he lived with Iqbal Kelly “for 3 months” while his wife was left aline in Marrero with her 4 children.
That suggests that he married Iqbal in Shia law as his second wife (but of course not in American law). I know a Muslim who currently is in the same situation, therefore that solution is in my mind. His wife is 60 and older than him but he still wants children. he learnt to know a younger woman back home in his muslim country and he asked his western european wife if she would accept him “marrying this woman” as a second wife. Of course she didnt. He did not want a divorce but simply a second wife for having more children. As a cover he planned that the second wife would marry a western european gay friend to get a visa.
This is conservative muslim thinking.
Iqbal Kelly living 3 months with a single but married muslim father of 4 is unthinkable. Muslims would treat iqbal as a whore if she weren’t religiously married with mr. al shaikhly before. We must stop western thinking here to understand the lies in the DM report.
BB
Quote Mr. Al Shaikhly
“She had moved out here to be a doctor”
Why would Al say such a lie.
Who does he think he is fooling with this nonsense.
could somebody help me to identify that photo?
what does he carry in the right side?
is that a gun on the left side near his belt? or a piece of chocolate? But what’s that thing on the right side of his belt?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/10/article-2687572-1F8A590E00000578-851_306x423.jpg
m.n.
I tried to post a hint to mr.al shaykhly on DM but was moderated.
My first post was moderated approx 24 hiurs before DM came out with their own al Shaikhly story.
My second post was moderated yesterday when i wrote that people shall search for the surname of mrs. weatherly’s husband on google and that they’ll be surprised of their findings.
My third post was moderated when i wrote a few hours later after my second was moderated.
i simply wrote that “they shall search for the name of the founder of the Baath party”.
Everything regarding al Shaikhly is moderated on DM, whether or not you are using names.
This is a huge cover up with DM used as their propaganda liar.
I really recommend to read the following.
Confirmed
Abdul Karim al Shaikhly was Iraq’s foreign minister 1968-1971. That’s exactly (!!) the same time when Saad’s uncle Hashim al Hilli worked for the Iraqi ministry of foreign affairs in the London Iraqi embassy.
please read tge following links and text to understand the importance of al Shaikhly.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3614696/Still-they-wont-admit-they-got-Iraq-wrong.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/901524/replies?c=15
That’s so special. He wasn’t even born in Tikrit. He was from Al-Ouja, down the road a piece. The date of his actual birth is somewhat disputed as well. From 1935 through 1939. The April birthday was borrowed from someone he knew.
“…This might be explained by the fact that the whole process for registering births, marriages and deaths was exceedingly primitive. At this time it was the custom for the authorities to give all peat children the nominal birth date of July 1; it was only the year that they attempted to get right.” This would certainly explian why a certificate presented in one of Saddam’s official biographies gives July 1, 1939 as the date of his birth. In fact, Saddam acquired his official birth date from his friend and future co-conspirator, Abdul Karim al-Shaikhly, who came from a well established Baghdad faily adn so had the advantage of possessing an authentic birth date.
Saddam: King of Terror
Con Coughlin, 2009
18 Three of Saddam’s closest friends in Cairo have since perished — Abdul Karim al- Shaikhly (assassinated 1980), Medhat Ibrahim Juma’a (murdered 1986 ), and Nairn al-Azami (killed early 1980s). His only known surviving contemporary, ..
In Baghdad itself, fighting involving US and Iraqi forces continued for a second day in Sadr City, the Mahdi Army militia’s stronghold, with at least 40 people reported killed. Gunmen kidnapped Tahseen al-Shaikhly, an Iraqi civilian spokesman for Baghdad security operations, after killing three of his bodyguards and torching his house in the neighborhood of Ameen, a Mahdi Army stronghold in southeastern Baghdad.
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-63210.html
1) Officially, Saddam Hussein was born on April 28, 1937; to provide authenticity for the date, in 1980 Hussein made it a national holiday.
2) Several contemporaries of Saddam Hussein argue that he was born at least two years earlier, and some commentators state that the correct year is actually 1939.
3) The process for registering births, marriages, and deaths in Iraq during that timeframe was extremely primitive. It was customary for officials to give all peasant children the nominal birth date of July 1; it was only the year that the authorities attempted to record accurately. This would explain why a certificate published in one of Hussein’s official biographies lists July 1, 1939 as the date of his birth.
4) Hussein probably acquired his official birth date from his friend and future political ally, Abdul Karim al-Shaikhly, who — because he came from a well-established Baghdad family — had the advantage of possessing an authentic birth date. Hussein was reportedly envious of Karim for knowing his own birthday, and simply claimed it as his own.
5) It is now widely accepted that Hussein changed his year of birth to demonstrate that he was older than he actually was during his meteoric ascent through the ranks of the Baath Party.
6) In addition, it is frowned-upon in Arab society for a man to marry a woman older than himself; Hussein’s first wife, Sajida, was born in 1937, and Hussein might have changed his year of birth so that he would appear to be the same age as she.
Michael,
I think dentists can be called doctors in the states, Tim will verify.
BB, I’ve looked at the enlarged pic & I think that either a phone or a bleeper on the guys belt.
All you say about the second marriage makes sense, I thought it very odd that a muslim woman would live unmarried with a man . Except if they were related which would be acceptable in Islam.
yes katie
except when they were related.
Either Iqbal Kelly was married to mr. al Shaikhly (second wife) or else Mr. al Shaykhly was a dear uncle and closely family related to the al Saffar/al Allaf family (a so called Godfather for her).
Everything else would be completely unthinkable for an unmarried woman of a muslim noble and reknown family like the al Saffars.
BB,
Not sure about this; ‘ In addition, it is frowned-upon in Arab society for a man to marry a woman older than himself;
Simply because their idolised prophet Mohammad, married a woman , his first wife, was about 20 years older than himself.
Very interesting to hear the Mail are moderating your comments …. mine too !
So…. why have we been fed this latest info when this happened;
‘She also revealed that the FBI became involved in the case last year and even said she would not be against her father’s body being exhumed to find out if he really died because of foul play.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2687572/Iraqi-denies-arranged-marriage-Alps-massacre-mother-U-S-man-claims-died-day-pure-coincidence.html#ixzz3794CfsRh
Why, who & how did the FBI suddenly get involved ?
katie
Daily Fail (DM) is moderating the truth.
After my first post on DM was moderated i thought that they perhaps dont accept real names in those posts e.g. “al shaikhly”.
I did respect that and my last post was just saying:
“google for the founder of the Baath party”.
Even that post was moderated although it doesnt violate any of their rules.
That confirms that DM are deliberately moderating the truth of that crime.
Sabah al Shaikhly immigrated into the USA in 1986. Before that he lived in Tottenham/London from 1970-1980.
Name:Sabah Abdulkader AL Shaikhly
Naturalization Date:25 Jun 1986
Court:Eastern District Court
Court City:New Orleans
BB.
So shall accept that Shaikhly was the Uncle not the husband & he introduced Saad to Iqbal….that is how she ended up in the UK. He also financed her in the states, hence the cash she had.
Interesting to know the DM are covering for them, they must be under strict code of confidentiality.
Why print an article at all if it is only in part ?
No one now can tell me this family are not close friends of Mr big.
The only difference here is that he has cultivated all the global big wigs from royals to presidents.
What are Shaikhly’s connections to Palestine ?
If only we could find a link.
‘Sabah al Shaikhly immigrated into the USA in 1986. Before that he lived in Tottenham/London from 1970-1980.’
Where was he for the missing 6 years ?
So how old was Iqbal then BB ?
If she visited uncle during that time, she could after all have been Aked’s girlfriend ?