The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
This woman married Haider al Saffar in Lancashire in 1998. They are still registered both as occupants at an address in Manchester.
However, there is no trace of any Haider al Saffar in a friends list on her fb page.
https://m.facebook.com/nafisa.alsaffar
Her maiden name is Nafisa Qureshi and her family origin is India although her family lives in the UK since a long time.
Makes sense really…. if it is possible.
The mother waits in Sweden for a place at a U.K. hospital, paid for by Swedes.
They get the green light in August.
The mother and son fly over.
He goes straight to the hospital. They go on holiday for a break.
Sounds like she was moving to the U.K. for good ?
Nafisa al Saffar has got a main picture on her facebook page. There are 12 comments to that. One comment is from Hilal al Saffar (ministry for higher education, Baghdad):
MY beloved brother …. missing you all the time , may Allah SW bless you and your family. My lovely Noor , can’t wait to see you again , Big salam to Nifisa.
When the guy in that picture is his brother then this must be Haider al Saffar who is married to Nifisa. He looks like being about 50 in that picture. Noor al Saffar seems to be their daughter. Noor is an Indian name, isnt it?
Voila!
Here we have the approved link between the al Saffar family (Hilal, who calls Haider al Saffar his brother), got a friend in Denmark, Ula “Alshekly” from Baghdad who lives in Neastved, Denmark.
Of course it was evident that Shekli was just an abbreviation of Shaikhly. Voila!
Checking Ula’s contacts we find all Danish al Shaikhlys (now spelled correctly)
https://m.facebook.com/abdul.alshaikly
Checking Abdul’s friends we find many more al Shaikhlys. Hilal al Saffar is the direct link between the al Saffar and the al Shaikhly family.
Riddle solved an approved what we had suggested:
The Swedish al Saffar and the Danish al Shaikhly definitely know each other.
BB.
Noor with various spellings, is an Arabic unisex name, meaning light.
This was Sabah al Shaikhly’s address in Georgia when he lived there with Iqbal for 3 months.
http://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/d/al-sabah/1318422664
I bet that this is his company in Dubai:
http://ae.bizdirlib.com/m/node/957328
Here are the people listed who lived in his house in Atlanta. No Iqbal, no Kelly.
However, There is a Wathik al Shaikhly. Wathik is none of his children Who is Wathik?
http://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/address/1113/Pepperwood/Norcross/GA
http://m.homesnap.com/GA/Norcross/1113-Pepperwood-Trail
This is the house (with picture) where Iqbal lived together with Mary Weatherly, Truman Weatherly and Sabah al Shaikhly. Interestingly there lived a few other people, too, although there are just 4 bedrooms. See link
http://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/address/1113/Pepperwood/Norcross/GA
That house in Norcross where Iqbal lived for 3 months is pretty interesting.
There lived 3 more guys in that house:
Eric A Ramos (44) and supposingly his brother Cesar A Ramos (56)
There lived also Keith R Kiraly (62) who supposingly has an issue with Judith Weatherly.
Plus there were 5 companies in that house:
1. A&W International, run by Mary Ann Weatherly.
That company was created in 2004 and closed in 2008.
https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ga/268606
2. Kiraly Investments Inc
Keith Kiraly
3. Keith’s contracting Inc.
Keith Kiraly
4. AAA Quality contractors
created in 1992
directors Keith Kiraly and Judith Weatherly
https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_la/34411711D
5. Hitech Termite and Pest control
Erik Ramos
There we are once again in veterinary with the al Shaikhly family back in 1960/70 in Iraq as a did publish here earlier today. Veterinary, pest control, poultry farm … chemicals ….
Interesting guy: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/eric-ramos/3a/b55/434
Must have been a busy house with Iqbal Kelly.
Jesus! Mrs Weatherly and her partner Keith R Kiraly had quite a lot companies. They were literally collecting companies and opened and closed them like house doors. Smells like CIA companies ….
https://opencorporates.com/officers/18369731
https://opencorporates.com/officers/18369729
http://www.gaolar.com/records/Georgia/Gwinnett-County/2002017110/Wathik-Alshaikhly
http://www.bustedmugshots.com/georgia/norcross/wathik-alshaikhly/30977332
http://www.georgia-mugshot-browser.com/Counties/Gwinnett-County/Wathik-Alshaikhly.621159.html
So then, here we have Wathik Alshaikhly with photo. He’s not Iqbal Kelly 🙂
According to my sources he lived in Sahba’s house in 2002 only. He seemingly having had problems while driving cars.
Blue
I don’t see CIA “smoke screen” companies.
Also I don’t see a “high flying” Dubai dentist either.
I see “something else” however (but that is just speculation so far).
Question.
Have we any clue what “Kelly” did in the U.S. apart from “get married” ?
james
do you think that it is usual that some people are running so many companies within a few years only and then dissolve them and create new fantasy companies? These companies are weird because there are so many different subjects what they are doing. IMHO most of these companies were letterbox companies in order to secretly finance a certain project.
Thompson lived in 6 or 7 different addresses but nowhere was a Kelly, forget about Iqbal. She didnt exist in any files at all. Looks like as if she was an illegal immigrant. No green card therefore possible. Or else she had never been there, never married and that whole story is a huge lie and a huge setup. She didnt shaee the Atlanta house with Al Shaikhly either. Prrhaos illegal and secretly she did so, but she had never been registered in any of these houses/cities.
Peter
11 Jul, 2014 – 10:14 am “Her parents lived in Sweden at least since 2001 (the first time the Swedish police were called about her brother Haydar Thaher – by the way, why is his surname Thaher?).” As I understand it – I think from BB or maybe someone else in the past – in Muslim circles the daughter keeps the mother’s maiden name whilst the son inherits the father’s. At least that’s how I remember it being explained. It certainly gave her lots of options if she required them and of course there is still the mystery of the disappearing passports at Chevaline that must have been stolen by someone. Was it just to prevent different names being revealed and consequent association?
tim
that’s wrong.
The muslim daughter gets the father’s name, too.
Just then when she marries she keeps her father’s name but she doesnt take her husband’s name.
However, children (girls and boys) will always get their father’s surname.
In europe about 15 years ago and earlier, females had to get their husband’s name for documents e.g. passports. That violated the muslim tradition and therefore they had different surnames in european passports than they were actually called.
Bluebird
11 Jul, 2014 – 1:35 pm So have I got this right? Iqbal’s brother was getting a pharmacy prize July 2011 the year before he was locked up in a mental institution (we were told) To win the prize he must have been there for some time before so doesn’t this throw doubt on the whole Sweden to England story or mean he had been here much longer than previously suggested? Thackerly seems to be Manchester based firm so that puts him away from London as well doesn’t it? Then he’s back in Dubai you say almost immediately after the murders? Not sure I have got any of this right but I have always raised questions about the Thaler story-line and the way from the beginning he was written out of the official script after being initially promoted as a chief suspect (mentally unstable, father beater etc) he doesn’t appear very unstable on those pages does he (as far as they indicate anyway)?
I quite agree Mochyn69
11 Jul, 2014 – 2:06 pm. I am personally convinced, however inexplicable it may be, the al Hilli’s were there to meet Mollier. It has to be central to the whole thing in some way. Given all the factors, no way was it accidental. The next significant fact is that EM was instructed to deny it obstinately and further, discreditably to disguise any evidence that supported that suggestion. From those two basic observations a lot of possibilities flow. France was desperate to keep France out of it, that much is clear.
Ref death of Jim Thompson at the wheel: we are told it was at about 3pm local time, so the coincidence is not just same day, but also almost same (local) time. That really is pushing the coincidence. Now we know his time was actually 6/7 hours later in real time, that is around 9pm French time. This is about when the story was starting to get big attention although I do not know the time of the first American news reports which I guess were picked up a bit later than Britain/France in real time. Is it reasonable that JT had seen it on the (lunch-time?) news by then? If not the only other alternative would be that family members, or cops had informed him. Either way if the latter, a knowledge connection would be proved which makes their subsequent silence even more intriguing. Alternatively he neither heard the news before his death or perhaps even made the connection between a Mrs al Hilli and the al Saffar/Kelly woman he had supposedly married or not as the case may be. However his knowledge of this woman was certainly significant and potentially threatening to anyone who wished to cover it up. If indeed he was murdered rather than dying from natural causes (which is possible) it must have been pre-planned and co-ordinated with assassins both sides of the Atlantic, the one probably dependant and triggered by the success of the other. Now who would have that sort of capability?
Thanks for trying to explain the system to me Bluebird
12 Jul, 2014 – 1:19 am. I am sure you are right but how then did Iqbal become Iqbal al Hilli or am I wrong on that as well? So was she only al Hilli to westerners and on passport but al Saffar to everyone in her own family? And her mother was Suhaila Al-Allaf – keeping her father’s not her husband’s name? Is that right. Sorry to be so confused by the simple matter of names. Bear with me.
Bluebird
11 Jul, 2014 – 11:25 pm a fairly reasonable assumption I would say. Further when people travel around the world without problems, and particularly enter US without necessity of greencard, it shout ASSISTANCE, it shouts FACILITATION. Do we need to be reminded of the “19”?
Michael Norton
11 Jul, 2014 – 7:24 pm I raised similar serious questions previously too, not least that EM had decided “suicide” PRIOR to any postmortem. Also “6 or 7” page note. The fact that he could be so imprecise about such an important document raised questions in my mind. EM has a terrible record for inaccuracy when it comes to suspicious deaths as we have seen time and time again. That he is not naturally stupid means only one thing. He must know what he is doing.
Note the last para BB, no mention of Sheikhly being a relative.
‘According to Jim Thompson’s son, 28-year-old Joshua, ‘Kelly’ bought his father a Honda Accord car in return for agreeing to the marriage.
His daughter Joy, 38, says her father was also promised a Harley Davidson which never materialised, but adds: ‘He did like her a lot. He wouldn’t have married her if he didn’t like her. He wanted to help her out.’
From February 1999 to the beginning of 2001, Iqbal lived with Thompson at his parents’ neat detached five-bedroom bungalow in Marrero, Louisiana, about four hours’ drive from New Orleans.
She never spoke of her family and none of her relatives visited her. She and Jimmy kept separate bedrooms and cooked their meals separately.
Joy was in her late 20s at the time of her father’s fourth marriage and only heard about it when she visited and found ‘Kelly’ living there. The couple had quietly married in a civil ceremony with only two witnesses and no reception or honeymoon.
The only known photograph of the couple is said to show the pair in a swimming pool together, Iqbal in Thompson’s arms, and is said to have been posed to make their relationship look convincing in case of investigation by the U.S. authorities.
‘I was a little bit stunned when I asked who she was and my dad said it was his wife,’ says Joy.
‘I didn’t believe him at first. He jokingly said: “I’ve got myself a 34-year-old virgin.” But he said that she was saving herself, and that there was nothing wrong with saving yourself for what you believed in.
‘They were not intimate but they did become good friends. They would laugh and joke together. He would spoon food into her mouth if he was cooking.
‘She was a lovely, sweet woman but we always knew it was a temporary thing and that one day she would leave.
Kelly was looking for the great American dream, but she didn’t quite find it.’
Indeed, the two years that Iqbal spent in the U.S. were clearly not what she expected.
While she drove herself around in a VW, always perfectly coiffed and made-up, she was unable to find work as a dentist because she was not certified by the state of Louisiana.
Instead, she was only able to work as a dental assistant earning around $20,000 a year — a meagre salary compared to the $200,000 a year she could have taken home as a dentist with her own practice.
Joy explains: ‘It was degrading for her.
She was over-qualified but they wouldn’t accept her qualifications. She was this lovely, stylish and beautiful woman who spoke with a perfect British accent but she was having to do cleaning and stuff.’
But while Jim Thompson and his family never heard from her again and assumed that her brief presence in their lives was just because of her need for a Green Card, FBI agents, at the request of Interpol, have been probing whether there were other reasons for her stay in the U.S.
They have examined Thompson’s past as an oil rig worker and as manager at a company which manufactured pipelines for the United Arab Emirates, although by the time he married Iqbal he was working as a handyman.
One man who might be expected to know the truth about Iqbal’s first marriage is the man who helped arrange it — Sabah Al Shaikhly. This week, the Mail tracked him down to New Mexico, where he is now divorced from Jim’s niece and is working as a satellite and communications specialist.
Denying all knowledge of a Green Card arrangement, he claimed he was just helping out his doctor friend when he invited Iqbal to stay.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2689398/Was-Alps-massacre-wife-REAL-target-This-week-emerged-secret-husband-died-SAME-DAY-murdered-Now-Mails-uncovered-drastic-new-evidence.html#ixzz37ENjQfDK
‘Mr Al-Shaikhly is adamant that the murder of the Al-Hillis has no connection to Iqbal’s time in the U.S. or the death of Jim Thompson on the same day.
‘The two deaths are hard to understand, but they are just an unbelievable coincidence. Coincidences can happen.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2689398/Was-Alps-massacre-wife-REAL-target-This-week-emerged-secret-husband-died-SAME-DAY-murdered-Now-Mails-uncovered-drastic-new-evidence.html#ixzz37ESORJEr
‘ADAMANT’ …………How does he know ?
Katie
Interesting article
Now the DM has Mr Alshaikly upgraded from an ordinary shelves worker towards a satellite and communucations specialist (oops .. we had that job before with one of the victims).
Actually he IS a satellites and communications specialist what i already said a week ago because when Kelly was with him in Atlanta he did run the now dissolved “TELSTAR communications” company in Atlanta. Telstar were some quite famous satellites. Now we are getting closer towards the truth. Now tell me what a satellites and communucations expert is doing in Alamogordo (except when he’s working for the airforce at Holloway AF base where they test the satellite guided missiles). That would also confirm his Dubai based company that i mentioned earlier (trade of electronic parts – satellites?). Saad had a similar company in London.
Mary Weatherly pointed out on her fb page 2 years ago after his funeral:
“Jimmy was no 1%er (=MC outlaw) although he did behave as such and the neighbours wrongly believed that he was one. Jimmy was always clean and he was behaving very well. I dont know whether or not he loved somebody in his life. I hope that he did.”
Once again, there are no marriage records and there are no divorce records of Kelly Iqbal. I checked all of Jimmy’s 7 addresses and there is no record of Kelly Iqbal being registered at any of these addresses although there lived quite a few other women with him whom he had “married”. Iqbal either wasnt Kelly nor al Saffar when she was with them or else she was an illegal immigrant even after they had married (once again without any registered documents being in any of the US files). She wasnt existent.
So Iqbal was moving to a satellites and communications expert in the USA, then married his cousin who was “not a 1% er outlaw) and moved back to Dubai where she married another satellite and communications expert whose family definitely and confirmed knew the family of the other satellite expert.
Iqbal must have had a fetish for satellite experts …..
… and Jimmy’s (Iqbal’s her husband’s sister) had a long list of so called letterbox companies (together with her ex husband Keith Kiraly who descends from a famous jewish-hungarian family). These companies were opened and closed like the doors of a car.
Car trading companies, construction companies, media companies, investment companies, real estates companies, almost everything is in Judy Weatherly’s list of directors.
The following paragraph is just speculation but that kind of companies are a typical covert “project funding” system. Once the project is finished you close the former letterbox company and then open a new one for funding another project – a system often used by secret services to fund certain secret and covert activities.
Judy Weatherly created and runs 47 companies, most of those only for a period of 2 to 3 years.
Her ex husband Keith Kiraly created a total of about 30 other companies, most of them dissolved after 2 years only.
That’s definitely ‘not normal’ BB.
Closing companies can also be a bankrupt scam can it not ?
Very odd there’s no official record of ‘Iqbal’, this can only mean they’ve been removed…. as her passport seems to have been.
Tim V
12 Jul, 2014 – 1:21 am
I found 2 Haider al Saffars with roots in the UK. Both of them curiously living or having lived in Manchester. One of them (the pharmacy expert) looks a bit younger on that picture as james had pointed out.
The other Haider al Saffar is about 50 on this picture and he is the brother of Hilal al Saffar from Baghdad who has close links to the al Shaikhly family and to Denmark.
I believe that my best find was the woman Suad S. al Saffar from Stockholm (who must be in her late 60tees or 70tees today if she still is alive). She was a reknown psychiatrist and the story of her life is EXACTLY the same of what we had heard about Su.al Allaf.
Passports and names:
In Iqbal al Hillis EU passport was likely printed the name “Iqbal al Hilli”
In her Iraqi passport she would be Iqbal al Saffar forever. What name she uses in private is up to her. When she uses her EU passport as a document e.g. for registration at the university then she will be Iqbal al Hilli simply because that name is printed in her EU passport. In her muslim community, hiwever, she’s always Iqbal al Saffar. Her daughters will always be al Hilli girls in muslim culture whether or not they will marry.
Just a sidenote
Are descendants of such a family likely to get well paid jobs from Mossad as a reward for the next 100 years?
http://www.jta.org/2009/07/26/news-opinion/world/righteous-gentile-bela-kiraly-dies-at-92