The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
If I lived in Haute Savoie or Savoie, I’d be wondering about these blood feuds, people falling off the local cliff, multiple double tap hits, ex- Legionnaire/marksman/paratroopers/mountainmen being found dead by shooting with six or seven page “suicide” notes, lady campsite owners being gunned down in the micddle of the night in their own home, even though their very close neighbour ( whom two daughters marry two sons) in the mayor/president/senior majistrate of the area,dody gendarmes, pillfering police petrol and gun running,
local nuclear plant workers being shot multiple times,
that’s the sort of thing I’d be concerned aboput.
The argument with the “east European” !
BB… Re the manner of Jims death.
If you tie your theory in with what Pink has posted from the French news, you could well be right.
“For a start, there is no doubt that Iqbal wished to keep her brief first marriage a secret.
She certainly lied about it when she married Saad in Surrey on August 28, 2003, two years after abandoning her first husband.
Signing herself by her maiden name — Iqbal Al-Saffar — she failed to declare her first marriage to officials at the register office in Weybridge.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2689398/Was-Alps-massacre-wife-REAL-target-This-week-emerged-secret-husband-died-SAME-DAY-murdered-Now-Mails-uncovered-drastic-new-evidence.html#ixzz37Hzru5EJ
That settles that one then….no Islamic marriage.
Katie…
One must assume that Saad DID NOT know about “Kelly’s” past at the time of his marriage.
Maybe he found out afterwards.
@Michael Norton: Don’t forget all the bicycles careening off cliffs, or middle-aged bicyclists having heart attacks while cycling in the mountains. Welcome to Haute-Savoie. The new tourism slogan: “You can’t make this stuff up! You’ll never leave! What happens in the Haute-Savoie stays in the Haute-Savoie!”
Q
Lesson One… when you meet a woman you should always ask…
1. Previously have you ever been called “Sunshine” or “Larouche” ?
2. Without knowing, have you ever been married before ?
We’ll never know…..but do you suppose Jim knew Iqbal’s real name ?
Seems everyone knows she was a virgin.
Not directly related but i wonder about “Kelly”.
By chance i read an article with the headline title: “Who is Jill Kelley?”
Perhaps Kelly/Kelley has a certain meaning
in the CIA and the choice of their nickname Kell(e)y was no accident??? Jill Kelley was of Arab descent, too. I wouldnt be too surprised if Kelley actually met Kelly.
Why would somebody chose the name “Kelly”?
It doesnt even sound like Iqbal.
Kelly
Gaelic Meaning:
The name Kelly is a Gaelic baby name. In Gaelic the meaning of the name Kelly is: warrior.
American Meaning:
The name Kelly is an American baby name. In American the meaning of the name Kelly is: warrior.
Irish Meaning:
The name Kelly is an Irish baby name. In Irish the meaning of the name Kelly is: War. Lively. Aggressive. An Irish surname that has only been used as a first name (either gender) in the latter half of the 20th century.
Scottish Meaning:
The name Kelly is a Scottish baby name. In Scottish the meaning of the name Kelly is: Wood. Surname and place name that has only been used as a first name (either gender) in the latter half of the 20th century.
In the BBC Panorama interview ZAH spent his time deflected the “causation” of these murders from SAH….onto Mollier.
That is fair enough. Afterall ZAH was himself “up for grabs”.
AND YET he never mentions IAH (IAS/KT) as a possible target.
He lived at the same house for many years.
Did ZAH not know she had lived once in the US ?
3 if the five houses owned by the family.
House # 1 is a lovely one. There Judy Weatherly lived plus Truman Thompson, Charles Thompson, Jim Thompson and Mary Weatherly.
2561 Crestwood Rd Marrero, LA 70072
That is a sub standard house.
Here Jim lived with his wives.
5079 Lyons Ct Marrero, LA 70072
This is the worst of all houses. It’s the one i called a secret red light house.
Here all the divorced wives were “parked” for a while.
516 Jung Blvd Marrero, LA 70072
All houses are available in google street view.
Blue…
You are becoming ridiculous now !
What do you expect of a name ?
Steven… Steven means dickhead. In the US it means “he who shags goats”
Every name is going to mean something “good” !
perhaps we should look into obituaries and check out about who else had died on sept 5th …. 🙂 … so we are already prepared when they will tell us about her next “ex-husband”.
Blue…
Two “possibles”
ONE. He is a contractor. A builder of sorts. Mortgages are low. He buys them.
TWO. something else stuff
james
there is always a reason about why you are giving a John Doe name to an adult. Why not calling her Icke or Ikbal? Why Kelly? There is no logic reason for calling her Kelly. It’s not even the translation of Kelly.
Do you nickname somebody “Big John” when in fact he’s small and weak. Do you?
james
he got a real estates company “Dream house Inc.”. His sister had 2 real estates companies. Mary Weatherly had one and his brother in law Keith Kiraly had a real estates company, too.
To be honest Blue….no
A name in a newspaper, a person she admired, someone she met on the plane.
Thousand and one reasons we could not even get into.
Finding out the meaning of the name…is the last on the list.
I know. I take passengers with the most “unusual” names.
And yet “I know them” by some other name.
Where did they “pick them” from ? They picked them because they sound “grey”.
Kelly,,,,in the US. I’d say “grey”. Or “something else”.
james
that is the company that was registered in his house. Director mary weatherly.
http://www.manta.com/c/mm8gzfk/dream-homes-construction-inc
Blue…
For me I see it this way.
It is reported she got married under the name of “Kelly”.
You “must” have to prove who you are IS who you are…before you marry.
Birth Cert, Driving card, Passport….and so on.
An Iraqi in the US called “Kelly” is “way out there”.
So… the Green Card she is looking for is one in the name of “Kelly Thompson”.
A pretty average “US name”….on paper.
Nice pad !
Nice area (a bit way out for me) but very nice all the same.
Blue….
Think “Postman” ?
Bluebird
12 Jul, 2014 – 6:29 pm “Reminds me a little bit if the many names used by Ben Zygier ….” precisely! multiple names/passports is immediately suggestive of intelligence activity. is that why they were stolen? i think its a fair guess.
Q
12 Jul, 2014 – 8:14 pm if the film is made what’s the bet it will be a jewish production the purpose to be muddying the waters even further and dissolving the distinction between fact and fiction even further?
could it be something to do with the irish connection Bluebird
13 Jul, 2014 – 12:13 am. after all saad’s brother was married to an irish woman with a classical republican name. did you ever research her for ira connections just out of interest? where ever violent (terrorist) organisations are found there’s a fair chance they are linked in some way, not least by state security.
Kelly green. Kelly because she wanted a green card. Wait: this movie will have to star Gérard Depardieu. It’s perfect! He starred in the movie “Green Card”. His father was a metal worker. He was involved in petty crime in his youth. He is a chevalier twice over. And he fell off a scooter. It wasn’t a bicycle careening off a cliff, and he was driving while impaired, but he’ll have to do.
Stunning research and comments..BB Tim James Katie greetz….
Given that SAH and the family were post factum caught with several forged documents it seems to me these could have been prepared by the same fixers..if the same Fixers arranged for the Kelly marriage..then a simple flash of a phony license or state id would be all that was needed. I was married after a commonlaw relationship, no longer valid in Mississippi since 1956 , and the judges secretary did the ceremony..its done that easy in prison as well.It takes a year of separation in uncontested divorces to end the relationship officially..
This is why you may find the name Iqbal used virtually untraceable.
The number of companies is indeed peculiar..as we see this in intel. I suspect SAHs and that AMS thing in UK curious.
But there is a group also called the travelers..descendants of gypsies..that have entire communities here in the South..with everyone having the same name as well as several companies existing for short periods doing their ongoing scams stealing millions ..ith oil, now satcoms, I doubt it is the former..
That they are going to do an exhumation almost 2 yeas later..is remarkable given the international nature of the case alleged monies involved..given how immigration used to do its checks to prevent sham marriages..given how exotic poisons degrade quickly and undetectable with time.
My own opinion is either they want to close this matter..but realize to dangerous to leave open ended..or the French have decided to play hardball with the Yanks and Brits..after the Parabas Ariba bank matter. 9 billion dollars trumps all to get either payback or concessions..as much of Sadams millions are still in France..and I am sure both the families of former bathists and Government,,would like to keep it there.
Regards
Sys
Precisely James, I bet he didn’t ,the papers said he didn’t.
If I had been Saad, once I did find out my anger would be aimed mostly at Uncle Sheikhily, he deceived Saad wholesale by flogging him a woman with a past. Why, what did he get out of it ?
Did word get out that Saad was going for retribution but Uncle got there first ?
I also wonder if the reason Iqbal left the states was because she ‘didn’t’ get a green card. What’s the point of going to all that trouble getting one & then leaving ?
Interesting post Sys.
A lot to think about there, especially the forged docs.
I see the DM finally published my comment about all this has been done to ‘protect’ someone’.
54 people agree 4 disagree.
Tim it maybe classic intelligence activity but it’s also classic criminal activity.
Those numerous companies could easily indicate it, set up a company flog products /services etc, give 30 year or lifetime guarantees to boost sales , then fold the company, believe me it happens all the time here……especially in the building trade.