The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Kenneth Sorensen’s recent comments have been suspended. Yes, he was banned, but found his way back. His comments would have been deleted, but Katie answered one of them. If he’s wanted back, say so here. Otherwise his comments will be deleted when found.
KS, I agree with James, please do stick to the topic.
I’ve yet to see you do that. This thread is not the one to rant against the Jews. In fact I’ve seen nothing yet to connect them to this case, but plenty to connect CIA ,Mi6 & Mi5.
Good in Parts.
I agree about pics of the interior of the car, we’ve seen few, but the heart stops pumping once someone is dead, so therefore if the killing was quick & accurate death was instant , is that is the reason for seeing so little , the blood around the wound clots ?
They were also bullet holes not large gashes,this must make a difference.
Craigmurray.org.uk.
Sorry about that, I picked out the only line I could answer ,the rest of that post was rubbish. I too think he should be banned.
I recall William Brett Martin claimed he had to smash a window
to turn off the engine of the BMW.
I have no knowledge if a bullet can pass through a window without smashing it,
this is essential to know.
Did Brett say how many windows were smashed, when he got to the BMW.
If you are putting one or more bullets between the eyes, I would have thought that you would have to be reasonably aligned in front of the victim but to shoot more than one bullet between the eyes of three victims who were sat inside the same vehicle
beggars belief.
To me it would be an easier scenario
if all three ( Al Hilli adults) were outside the car.
Overview about Sabah al Shaikhl in the USA and his wives (as much as possible to research)
1) Jobs and family
Sabah first lived in 20 Laurel Ln
Black Mountain, NC 28711
This is a wooden cottage in a rural area well hidden (have a look into google street view).
This is located 19 minutes driving from Asheville Airforce where he worked for that unit as a weather and environment satellites expert:
http://mountainx.com/news/community-news/030409the_weather_warriors/
Here he married Deborah (Debbie), the woman who used so many names (details later). They had issue and she gave birth to son Karim and daughter Brooke al Shaikhly.
Later Sabah moved to Norcross (GA) where he had his own but now dissolved company “Telstar (satellites & communications) Inc.
In Norcross he married Mary Weatherly and they had issue and she gave birth to two sons and one daughter of Sabah al Shaikhly.
Norcross is where he said that Iqbal had shared his (Mary Weatherly’s house) for 3 months.
Then Sabah moved to Marrero (LA) where Mary Weatherly’s family owned many houses and where her aunt Judy Weatherly and her cousin James D Thompson and their parents lived (note: Judy Weatherly and Charles Thompson weren’t James Thompson’s genetic siblings but they were both legally adopted by his father James Augustus when they both were children. The late James D Thompson was his only genetic child).
Sabah and Mary divorced and Sabah moved to Alamogordo (Holloway airforce base) where his first born son Karim was working for the US airforce, too.
2) family relations and locations
“Deborah with the 7 names”
Deborah owned two locations in the Asheville area.
91 Ormond Av, Asheville NC
and
20 Laurel Ln, Black Mountain, NC 28711
Sabah did never live in Ormond Ave but Deborah used both addresses.
20 Laurel Ln is a wooden cottage in a rural forest area. 3 bedrooms, $ 172.000 value.
Deborah’s surnames (now 61 yrs old) she had used for registrations in that Black Mountain house:
Deborah Spadoni
Deborah Spadoni Rossworm
Deborah Gaussiran
Deborah Spadoni Gaussiran
Deborah al Shaikhly
Deborah Spadoni al Shaikhly
co occupants in that house:
1. Richard J Rossworm (now 53) (pharmacy), lateron he moved to the Ormond Ave address with Linda
2. Linda J Rossworm (56)
3. The Gaussiran family (note: their age given is the current age but not their age in the 1990tees):
Deborah Spadoni Gaussiran (61)
relatives:
Mary W Gaussiran (59) … not quite sure about whether or not this person could be Mary Weatherly)
Elwyn Adolf Gaussiran (61)
Jrelwyn Gaussiran (61)
company: E.A.G. Incorporated (dissolved)
4. the al Shaikhly family
Sabah al Shaikhly
Karim al Shaikhly (31) … he’s the first born son of Sabah al Shaikhly and Deborah al Shaikhly. His age gives us the possibility to calculate the year of their marriage. That must have been 1981/82.
Nobody using the name Spadoni lived in that house ever. That suggests that Deborah’s maiden name is Spadoni and that she probably married 3 guys.
Rossworm, Gaussiran and al Shaikhly. Gaussiran and Rossworm might have had issue before al Shaikhly. Currently she has issue with a fourth guy but she didnt adopt his name yet.
As a sidenote we shall consider that one of James D Thompson’s divorced 4 wives, namely Jaqueline Thompson Dula (46) who studied pharmacy had moved to Ashevill, NC, right after her divorce to work in pharmacy. That suggests that the Rossworm family (=Deborah al Shaikhly) and the James Thompson family must have known each other much better than previously suggested in the DM by Sabah al Shaikhly.
Sorenson is banned again.
Sorenson, you are clearly unhinged. Anyone who disagrees with you, you dismiss as “a Jew”. You are clearly prejudiced against Jews; you use the term as one of abuse. Neither Jon nor this current moderator are Jewish, and it would make no difference if we were; a Jew would be as entitled to block anti-Jewish comment as anyone else.
BB,
Did we get anything on this Abdul Karim Al Sheikhily ?
He lives in Bagdad & almost all his friends seem to be involved electricity & power stations.
https://www.facebook.com/abdul.alshaikhly/likes?collection_token=1291875194%3A2409997254%3A45&next_cursor=MDpub3Rfc3RydWN0dXJlZDoxNTA3MjQyOTUxMDcyNzg%3D
I have no doubts that Sabah al Shaikhly was a private contractor for the airforce as a satellites and weather expert. His Telstar communications contracted this and that while he luved in Norcross, GA.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobbins_Air_Reserve_Base
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/53rd_Weather_Reconnaissance_Squadron
While he lived in Bkack Mountain he contracted the Airforce Weather Warriors in Asheville.
Nowadays he works as a private contractor in Alamogordo (Holloway AF base). At Holloway they are testing satellite guided missiles.
It is thrilling to learn that Sabah more or less had the SAME job as Saad al Hilli, and BOTH if them ran across Iqbal from Dubai/Sweden by “accident”.
Was that really an accident that they both met Iqbal while they were both of them private contractors and weather and satellite experts? Remember the satellite weather and sea mapping company of SAH !!!!
I surely believe that Sabah al Shaikhly has much more in common with Saad al Hilli. It’s not just Iqbal!
And I surely believe that Iqbal didnt meet Sabah al Shaikhly because of a green card or because she ran out of money (al Saffars neber run out of money, that’s just like the Queen never runs out of money).
I have a theory that Iqbal should marry al Shaikhly in an arranged marriage after his divorce from Deborah but something went wrong in their first 3 months of their learning to know each other. In order to avoid disgrace for the families she was secretely “parked” with his cousin Jim Thompson. That’s why the families didnt know about James Thompson although they knew about al Shaikhly since these two families are closely related and intermarried since many 100 years.
I doubt that it is just an accident that Iqbal met and lived with 2 different Iraqi guys who had EXACTLY the same job, but on 2 different continents.
I do not accept you banning me your fucking Jew!
You are fucking stupid to only listen to the Irish/Jewish pilot, who sound as if he’s on autopilot, and the fundamental Christian Zionist Katie.
[craigmurray.org.uk – this comment has been left to illustrate Sorenson’s hatred of those he deems Jewish.
Sorenson, get off this site. Any more from you and I will personally inform police of your IP addresses and system specifications, and report you for hate-speech.]
katie
He worked in that powerplant (see link) and many of his facebook contacts, too, including one member of the al Saffar family.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dora,_Baghdad
Of course he isn’t THE Abdul Karim al Shaikhky who was the founder of the Baath party and Iraq’s foreign minister at the time when Saad’s uncle Hashim al Hilli was the ambassador to the United Nations. That al Shaikhly was killed by Saddam in 1980.
I cannot testify how close or how far he’s related with the noble al Shaikhly family. His son is Ali al Shaikhly. I cannot verify who the correct Ali is because there are 4 young Ali al Shaikhlys. One lives in Leeds as a mathematc and physics genius, one lives in California and two live in Baghdad. My strongest guess is the Leeds guy who had studied in Bristol.
Anyone who disagrees with you, you dismiss as “a Jew”.
I’ve only said that to Jon last time round, because he deleted some posts. And now again in order to tease you. You cannot be offended by that, cause you just said that you’re not Jewish.
With regard to “James” it is easy to verify on this very tread that he doesn’t hide that he is ½ Jewish.
Irish + Jewish, I think that’s what the English would call ” A Bloody Bastard”
[craigmurray.org.uk – last chance Sorenson. The telephone is right here beside me. You’re using Chrome 35 browser on Chrome OS, screen display 1024×768, connecting through Telia Denmark. Maybe I’ll contact Telia first.]
The Sun claims that her second marriage was bigamous
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5751355/Murdered-Alps-mum-was-bigamist.html
Does anybody here have a subscription? (Go on, do admit it if you have …)
Regarding her name change to “Kelly”: If she did change her first name officially, the easiest way for her to do that would be in the context of her marriage. One can apply to do both in one fell swoop, and the legal hurdles for such a name change are lower than in other scenarios (where one first has to prove that one is not a convicted sex offender, not running away from one’s debtors etc. before one is permitted to change one’s name). Kelly Thompson does sound like a good ol’ Irish Catholic name.
Whether or not she ever actually divorced James Thompson, I am pretty sure that they would have gone for a divorce rather than annulment. Applying for an annulment would have been tantamount to admitting having committed an act of immigration fraud, and both “Kelly” and Thompson would have been punished for it.
Plus one more – social – thing to consider that must be a lie in the DM.
Al Shaikhly introduced Iqbal and let her live 3 months in his Norcross house. Then she met Thompson and suddenly ALL of them moved to Marrero (Iqbal, Weatherly al Shaikhly and his children). All of them moved to Marrero. Not just Iqbal! Al Shaikhly, Weatherly and children moved to Marrero at the same time when Iqbal moved there. That happened 3 months after Iqbal arrived (according to al Shaikhly).
Now Iqbal has no friends in Louisiana. No social contacts. Nothing. She suddenly narries (fat and old – according to family – “MC outlaw”) Thompson while her only Iraqi/Arab contact lives in the SAME city, in Marrero.
And then al Shaikhly said to the DM that he never met Iqbal again after she moved to Marrero (alone? NADA! All the family moved to Marrero at once).
Now think about social contacts. You’re left alone as an unmarried shia girl virgin with an “old fat MC outlaw” (what an unbelievable story worth a SUN headlune alone!) and after 2 years you leave that marriage still as a virgin but while you were living there you did never even try to seek for social contacts to the only Arab/Iraqi you know and who lives in your close neighbourhood with his adult Arab speaking good looking son Karim?
Who believes that DM sh*t???
Just think logic!
Thanks BB, could he be the son ?
The reason I ask is this.
‘Messrs. Rezko and Auchi were introduced several years ago by a mutual acquaintance in London. They teamed up recently on a $150 million contract to build a power plant in Iraq.’
This is a very informative document it gives a lot of detail…on how Iraq is determined to get hold of the cheats.
Also;
‘”We want him back to serve his sentence of fourteen years,” said an Iraqi government official in Baghdad last week. “He stole $650 million from the people of Iraq, and from the people of the United States, and he was tried and convicted in an Iraqi court in October 2006 for his crimes. We have a four-inch-thick file of his crimes. He plundered the Ministry of Electricity. Dates, bank accounts, dummy companies, a lot of them in the States. We want him, and we want the money back.”
When asked why an American citizen with a dual Iraqi citizenship, who had served as the Iraqi Minister of Electricity from 2003 to 2005, after being convicted in an Iraqi court was living openly in Chicago in 2008 rather than in Abu Ghraib, the official said, “That’s what we want to know. Armed men broke him out of jail in the Green Zone’
‘The second man with much to lose regarding what Mr. Alsammarae knows is the mysterious and genuinely powerful Nahdmi Auchi of London, a British citizen who, born in Iraq in 1937, has been for decades closely linked with the Baathists.
In 2005, Mr. Auchi was reported to have involved his company in the Chamchamal electrical generating plant deal that was used as a major ploy for the plundering of the Iraqi Ministry of Electricity.
Iraqi government officials in Baghdad speak bluntly of Mr. Auchi as a “Saddam guy,” and as a member of the Baathist gang who have beggared Iraq for 50 years, a gang that now, exiled to Damascus, Syria, and headed by men wanted for war crimes in Iraq, aims to continue plundering Iraq by using their stolen fortune to corrupt other regions and perhaps some day to return to Baghdad.’
http://ajacksonian.blogspot.fr/2008/06/obama-and-iraq.html
Oh…I forgot to say that Auchi is heavily involved with telephone & communication systems in Iraq & in Egypt.
@ Bluebird
It is obvious that Al Shaikhly is not telling the truth – but then he has good reasons for not telling the truth, for, if he did, he might be charged for his part in this case of immigration fraud. I don’t know what the statute of limitations is for immigration fraud, but he is obviously not interested in finding out, either 😉
peter
I think that immigration fraud would be the smallest problem for a guy who is a contractor for the US airforce since 3 decades and whose first born son is actually working in the US airforce, too. There are other reasons than “immigration fraud” whx he isnt telling the truth.
If an Iraqi isnt cleared by the CIA before he starts working for the airforce then the CIA would be even more incompetent than we did believe that they were pre 9/11. I am sure that the CIA and the FBI know everything regarding his life and regarding his social contacts. Iqbal must gave been on their radar, too.
They must have detailed and huge files collected both about Iqbal, Sabah and his son Karim.
Anything else is completely unthinkable.
katie
interesting article. thanks. though i am not so sure whether or not that fraud is directly related. the families are somehow related to the original Baath party but not today and not after 1980. however, there was surely another reason for Saad’s death.
More about the mother of Karim and Brooke al Shaikhly
She was born in 1952 as Deborah Spadoni
She married Sabah al Shaikhly in 1981 or 1982. They lived in Black Mountain NC where she gave birth to Karim al Shaikhly and Brooke al Shaikhly. That house in Black Mountain was hers.
Divorce must have happened about 1992/93 when Sabah married Mary Weatherly (Jim’s cousin). About then he moved to Norcross, GA.
About then (1992/93) she probably married Elwyn A Gaussiran jr. (same age as Deborah, also called EA Gaussiran and JR.Elwyn Gaussiran) with whom she lived in the same house in Black Mountain. There are no records regarding their marriage, though, but from then she used the name Gaussiran. There is a very small possibility that she had married Gaussiran before she married al Shaikhly (before 1981/82).
2003 she married Richard Rossworm (the pharmacy) and she moved to Asheville. From then she calls herself Deborah Rossworm or Deborah Spadoni Rossworm.
There are some records of the Gaussiran family due to the obituary of his father in 1998 (see below):
Source: The Lafourche Daily Comet Submitted by: Chris Tidwell Elwyn Gaussiran Sr. A graveside service was held at 10 a.m. today at Cheramie Cemetery in Galliano for Elwyn Adolph Gaussiran Sr., 69, a native of New Orleans and resident of Galliano, who died at 5:45 p.m. Dec. 31,1998. He was the husband of Margaret C. Gaussiran; father of Elwyn Gaussiran Jr.; step-father of Scott Lee, Connie DeMere and Dottie Cheramie; and brother of Margerite Ward and Marie Johnson. He is also survived by one grandchild and seven step-grandchildren. He was preceded in death by his parents, Frank and Alice Gaussiran; and brother, Frank Lewis Gaussiran. He was an Army veteran. Samart Funeral Home of Cut Off was in charge of arrangements. http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/lafourche/obits/1998/f9812.txt
BB.
There’s a number of connections, if that man asked Saad for something he needed doing then Saad would have been very unwise to refuse.
Also there’s no doubt Kadhem would have been involved at some stage with this man they were in the same government,party,country & eventually in the UK….at the same time……………
“The second reason for his [ Auchi] invulnerability is that, by 1980, he had become a major asset of British Intelligence, MI6, enabling him to gain entry into any situation, into anywhere in the Arab world or Europe, and into any problem, financial or political.
His connection with MI6 provided Auchi with an entrée into U.S. intelligence via Lord Cavendish’s, former head of MI6, introduction to a small transatlantic group called Le Cercle,which focused on mutual national security interests.’
British journalists universally believe in Auchi’s protective symbiosis with MI6.’
The Al Hillis must have known , do know a lot about this man who covers his activities with charitable largesse & with powerful friends………………….
‘I have spoken at length to people who know Auchi well, and to a legion of people who have observed him closely over decades. Most of them do not wish to be identified, either because they do not want their sources to dry up, or out of simple fear. I know of three deaths, two of them outright murders, in which Auchi is a lingering spectral figure.
One of them was an American contractor who came to my Pentagon office to tell me how he had been defrauded of $25 million dollars by a Lebanese banker in Iraq.
Three days later, he and his partner were shot to death by a hit squad northwest of Baghdad.’
http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/10/23/rezko-obama-and-the-nadhmi-auchi-railroad-linking-chicago-washington-and-baghdad-part-1of-3/
More about the mother of Karim and Brooke al Shaikhly
She was born in 1952 as Deborah Spadoni
This is an interesting guy:
Nick (Dominick Spadoni).
He could be her brother or a cousin.
https://m.facebook.com/nick.w.spadoni
I found an article of Deborah Spadoni receiving an award from BOEING for working 25 years in their company, the recent years she worked as a union representative of BOEING corp.
Unfortunately i am unable to confirm whether or not this is the mother of Karim and Brooke al Shaikhly, although she has got the correct age.
However, the jobs and education of Dominick are much more intriguing. Of course he got the al Shaikhlys as friends on his fb page, too.
I mention that to understand about how Sabah al Sgaikhly met his first wife and where the family of his wife (plus possibly his wife) were into and educated for.
Dominick (Nick) Spadoni
Field Representative Princiapal
WR Systems
February 2013 – Present (1 year 6 months)
First responsibility is as a Marine Electronics Technician. Servicing customers needs World Wide, but focused on the US Gulf of Mexico.
Business Development in the US Gulf Coast.
Service Engineer
Mackay Marine ElectronicsFebruary 2008 – February 2013 (5 years 1 month)
Marine Electronics technician. On demand service , installation, annual radio surveys, inspections. ALL Marine electronics: Communications – MF/HF , VHF, UHF , Satellite systems – Inmarsat B , C, Fleet, Broadband,V SAT, and TV Systems. GPS , AIS, RADAR, SSAS, ECDIS, VDR, Alarm & Monitoring, Steering , Autopilot.
Marine Electronics TechnicianSeacoast ElectronicsMay 2000 – February 2008 (7 years 10 months)
Same as at Mackay. As well as Project management, Satellite office unsupervised, minor sales support.
Marine Electronics TechnicianFrank L. Beier RadioFebruary 1996 – May 2000 (4 years 4 months)
Marine Electronics Technician / Installer. Service coordinator
Supported mainly the Offshore OSV Market. Started out as a lead installer / Technician. As my experience grew I moved into one of the offices lead technicians. Eventually, for a short time performing the duties of service coordinator. Mentored junior techs / installers.
Marine Electronics InstallerBayou Marine ElectronicsJanuary 1995 – February 1996 (1 year 2 months)
My jump into the Marine Electronics Field. Installation of Marine Electronics on recreational vessels and smaller commercial vessels. Mentored by the owner in aspects of installation , service, and customer service.
Electronics Technician (ET3)US NAVYSeptember 1988 – October 1992 (4 years 2 months)
BEE – Orlando , Fl.
ET A school – Great Lakes , Ill.
ET C school – Mare Island , Ca. (KW46 crypto)
Stationed aboard the Destroyer Tender (AD-38 USS PUGET SOUND)
Learned the basics of Marine Electronics. Took an interest in Navigation Principals. Worked in the Test Equipment Repair division. Also learned mechanical and basic maintenance, along with management, and paper work skills by becoming a DCPO.
US Navy – Electronics Technician SchoolsMarine Electronics Theory1988 – 1992
Started off learning Basic Electricity & Electronics. Further schooling included advanced Electricity & Electronics, Communication Principals, Radar principals, then into individual systems training. Then OJT onboard a US Navy Vessel.
Chalmette High SchoolGraduated with diploma, General1984 – 1988
Peter and Blue…
Al Shaikhly says he was contacted by a “Dubai based doctor” who said that his friend Iqbal wanted to start a new life in the U.S.A
Iqbal arrives….and then has no wish to convert her qualifications.
So Al Shaikhly now has to provide “board and lodgings” to a person that will soon become an “illegal immigrant” and has no visible means of support ?
He would be named a “sponsor” for her entering the country. It would be “in his interest” to find this person a husband. It may even have been “required of him” to sort the situation out.
The point I am making is “who the hell is Iqbal” ?
As in, I know civilians that worked for the U.S Forces in Iraqi got a “bad deal” when they were no longer required.
What if the “Dubai based doctor” was “the United States Air Force” ?
Quote CD 29/09/2012
“Re William Brett Martin (ex RAF man)
One of the questions yet to be answered is how he was cleared so quickly of any involvement – as if he had been vouched for – before full forensic testing results would have been obtained, and let leave the country quite soon after the murders. It was said initially that he called the emergency services but then it turned out that another man (Philippe Didierjean) actually made the call. It would be interesting to know the method of Martin’s return to the UK.
Another question that has not been adequately answered is why the regional forensics team in Lyon (100kms/1hour away) were not sent for. Instead a team for Paris were called and due to some ‘mix up’ they were delayed in getting to the scene. This is one of the reasons why the four-year-old was not found in the rear of the car (if one is convinced that that is what actually happened).”
If the three Al Hilli adults were shot outside of the car and placed in the
BMW post mortem, the bit that does not fit is the small girl hiding under her mothers skirts for eight hours.
BUT why the eight hour hiatus?
The eight hour hiatus is the give the French time to make up their story lines.
The little girl hiding under her mothers skirts for eight hour is not only hard to believe,
it did not happen.
To go one step further….
Marriage ONE didn’t work out (in the USA).
We’ll (whoever we are) try Marriage TWO which could be suited (in the U.K.).
Hence Ricketts on the scene.
It’s not Saad they are looking at. It’s Iqbal.
Again Michael, the BM story just doesn’t wash at all.
Nor does the little girl who ‘came out smiling’.
I swear she would have been crying long before that, but no one heard her.
Also it was dark at midnight, a light would have been shone in her face & she smiled at total strangers after this trauma ???
When she was airlifted out, where could the chopper land at night ?
james
i agree
The more i look at that the more i come to the conclusion that Iqbal was sent as a “inter family arranged wife” to Sabah al Shaikhly but that didn’t work out in the USA as planned simply because probably Mary Weatherly didnt want to have a divorce at that time. Iqbal arriving in Norcross (GA) could have been the reason that Mary Weatherly and her children suddenly left Norcross and they all moved to Marrero (LA), except for Sabah who likely stayed in Norcross. That would make sense. After Iqbal had waited for more than two years for a divorce, being “parked” with Al Shaikhly’s cousin Jim as a so called “wife”, she has had enough and returned to Dubai.
A second possibility could be that Iqbal was sent to Sabah because the al Hilli marriage was already preplanned by the CIA and Sabah should instruct her abput spying in the satellites communications process as he was the same expert as it was Saad. That would maje sense, too. Even Dominick Spadoni would have been a good instructor for Iqbal. The instruction and education was hidden by a marriage to a CIA handler (Jim) who did care for her.
The reason is that i don’t believe in such coincidences. I simply dont believe that a young woman would meet two Iraqis abroad within 3 years, one working in the USA and later one working in the UK, who both do have exactly the same profession and education, being experts and private contractors in the satellites communication and satellites mapping for government and military.
Either the first one was her teacher for spying the second one or she used both of them for spying or they were all three of them a team for a certain purpose.
James
the Dubai based doctor who was contacting al Shaikhly was most likely the neurologist Khaled al Saffar. He is in a family relation and in a close facebook friendship with Hilal al Saffar from Iraq. Hilal al Saffer is related to the Swedish doctor Ahmed al Saffar whom we know from the media and he is related with the older looking one of the two Haider al Saffar guys from Manchester whom he calls a “brother”. Hilal al Saffar has got quite some facebook contacts with the al Shaikhly family.
Good In Parts
13 Jul, 2014 – 11:33 pm I would have to disagree fundamentally with your interpretation. I think I one of the first to suggest the location of SM that was not confirmed until the photo appeared of his recumbent body in January this year. He most definitely WASN’T run over by Al Hilli’s car. There is no evidence of blood outside the car other to the car’s nearside. It appears he trying to run from the gunman because we are told he was shot in the back. It’s unlikely he ran far and fell almost immediately. Physiologically, depending on the location of the injury, clothes and other factors, blood flow is declines with time owing to reduced blood pressure and clotting mechanism. So the blood stains suggests early post injury so the suggested movement “away from dander” as WBM suggested is supported neither by the physical location of car and body or by the blood staining. It is still a puzzle why he claimed it. The most logical would be he needed to be able to provide a philanthropic rather than sinister explanation Mollier’s blood/DNA on him. Why would he move a corpse (he said he came to this conclusion immediately) let alone when it wasn’t even at risk from the car? He did however search the body apparently. Why would a total stranger do that to a dead body/crime scene when he was fearful of being shot himself? Conversely, he pays little attention to the living Zainab, making no attempt to rescue her. All very strange. We now know of course the shooter came from the same direction as BM. Whether the man we saw being interviewed was the same as the one to whom the actions were ascribed is also only by those in charge of the operation.
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Now Sabah al Shaikhly claims not to know Iqbal.
He says “the doctor in Dubai” contacted him.
However he was willing to be the “sponsor”.
A big “ask” from an old mate wouldn’t you say.
To stay in the US we have Jim Thompson.
Personally I’d like to see “evidence” that Iqbal studied as a dentist and worked in Sweden….and then Dubai. And I mean a “fully qualified dentist” not this “in training” rubbish. That’s for starters. I haven’t a clue anymore who “Iqbal” is.
sorry for all the typing errors – hope you can guess the missing words!
Some al Shaikhly family members had an idea to change their names. That below happened in Quebec in 1985 when they left Iraq after falling apart with Saddam. Thanks to the Canadians who scan so many old documents.
http://collections.banq.qc.ca:81/jrn03/goq/src/1985/p_1/08/03/116364_1985-p_1-08-03.txt
Ahmad Al-Shaikhly •Prenez avis que Ahmad Al-Shaikhly, domicilié au 2310. Bourgoin. Saint-Laurent, s’adressera au ministre de la Justice afin d’obtenir un certificat lui permettant de changer son nom en celui de Alan Faith. Saint-Laurent, le 16 juillet 1985 Le requérant. 42233-31-2 Ahmad Al-Shaikhly