The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@Tim V 18 Aug, 2014 – 11:17 pm
Congratulations on that. Unbelievable that the al Hilli thread has gone on this long and that I’ve read most of it. Plus there is a prior thread that has some 8000 comments.
http://www.france24.com/en/20140818-muslim-engineer-banned-french-nuclear-sites-edf/
A man who cannot be named has been banned from French Nuclear sites because he is a Muslim.
Or The French Are Getting Jumpy!!!
Poor young Mr.Brun
if he had been 92 and driven over a ravine, he might have walked away?
http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-savoie/2014/08/19/apres-une-chute-de-10-metres-un-nonagenaire-s-extrait-de-son-vehicule-et-remonte-le-ravin
TWENTY-ONE TODAY!
Thanks NR. Twenty-nine thousand posts on this site alone! If posts could solve crimes. They haven’t solved the crime but they have demonstrated the incompetence of French law enforcement, to say the least. As we approach the second anniversary, I wonder what “road-show” they will give us – if any – and whether it will be any better than the first one. Needless to say, the Brits have kept remarkably quiet and apparently haven’t a clue “who dunnit”. And as for the Cameron/Holland assurances the very next day – yet more empty rhetoric and falsehood, of which this event has been replete. It is beyond comprehension that neither France or Britain or both, with all their resources, do not know precisely what happened and why. The more interesting question is now, what is so important or embarrassing to presumably national security, that trumps justice or making both country’s police look so stupid? Of course since this event we have had the disappearance of MH370, MH17, Gaza and re-engagement in Kirkuk, all of which have involved lies and conspiracy at the highest of government, not to mention Boston and Woolwich, Boco Haram and ISIS. Coups in Egypt and Ukraine, bot supported by the west. Bombing and killing thousands of civilians in Gaza supported by the west. Government brutality in Nigeria, Mali, Horn of Africa supported by the west. Gaza protests either not reported in Britain or banned in France. Orchestrated propaganda coming from Washington, London and Paris simultaneously regarding the twin “threats” of domestic Muslim extremism and Russian aggression. Snowden and Assange and huge clamp-down on “leaks” and alternative reporting on the internet via the hysteria over celebrity phone-tapping and “ATVOD”. Meanwhile the police lose all their potentially embarrassing investigative reports of high level goings on amidst claims of endemic police corruption and Bush/Blair conversations proving collusion and deceit remain buried. Eye-watering malfeasance in public office was enshrined in the events of 9/11 at the beginning of the century and has stained all subsequent disastrous events. In this wider context we should not be surprised that the murder of four individuals in a French forest should prove so difficult to solve. It is not solved because the French, the British, the American and the Israeli governments do not wish it, and no other government (German, Swedish, Russian, Iranian?) are prepared to play snitch. Now we have Nouri al-Maliki gone and replaced with Haider (where have I heard that name before?) al-Abadi, an Al Hilli/Dawa look-a-like, at the hands of the Iranians it would appear but also a British shoe-in (the mind boggles at what bi-lateral deal secured that one)the whole saga may come full-circle. Only another 21,000 posts to go before melt-down!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/12/senior-iranian-official-iraq-haider-al-abadi-prime-minister
http://www.france24.com/en/20140817-iraq-prime-minister-haider-al-abadi-profile/
The police have opened an investigation and will have to interview witnesses facts unbelievable.
La soirée de dimanche a été marquée par des faits particulièrement violents dans le centre de La Rochette. Suite à un différend entre personnes d’un même entourage, un homme a pris le volant de son véhicule et a volontairement foncé sur un autre. Après l’avoir percuté, il s’est arrêté et est sorti de sa voiture avec une arme à la main.
Des témoins se sont battus avec l’agresseur
Selon nos informations, il s’agissait d’un couteau dont il avait l’intention de se servir pour achever la victime. Des témoins et des proches se sont alors interposés pour empêcher que la situation ne devienne encore plus dramatique. Ils ont maîtrisé l’agresseur en faisant usage de la force et l’ont blessé. Il a été hospitalisé ainsi que la personne qu’il avait renversée avec sa voiture. Les jours de la victime ne sont pas en danger.
Les gendarmes ont ouvert ont ouvert une enquête et vont devoir auditionner les témoins des faits hallucinants.
More madness with guns, knives and cars in Haute-Savoie
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Another man apparently tops himself in the woods in Haute-Savoie
http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-savoie/2014/08/20/macabre-decouverte-dans-les-bois
thanks for the haider al abadi mentioning, tim.
i did that the very first minute i had heard this name. Not because this is a popular name but because i had seen that name in the al hilli investigation quite often.
Abadi is exactly from the same al Hakim, al Khoei clan (“the london group”) as al Hilli’s father and cousin were. I had checked hundreds of facebook groups from the al hilli clan already almost 2 years ago and i saw quite a lot of friends with the abadi surname.
if you want to know more about al hilli then search for abadi.
Unfortunately just like the al hillis, abadi is a pro hashemite politician. Unfortunately those politicians dont have a long life. could we bet for another assassination date, perhaps sept 5th 2014 ???
Michael Norton
20 Aug, 2014 – 6:37 pm “Firefighters and police went there.” Standard practise obviously. Thanks for keeping us updated Michael. Who was the 57 year old who ended his own life it has been decided? I suppose we can rule Robin Williams out at least?
Where would we be without thee BB?
You will remember the Americans resented the British nominee (and mate of the al Hillis) getting into power in 2004. Maybe the crafty devils have engineered it after all? Is it reward for not spilling the beans on Chevaline?
Here is mentioned how waleed al hilli praises abadi
http://iraqdinar.us/national-alliance-sadiq-al-abadi-nomination/
in his twitter account, ali al hilli praises abadi. there are also posting ali al saffar and haider al khoei.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ali_Hilli
in this twitter account mohammed al hilli praises abadi and he says a lot about iraq and isis.
https://mobile.twitter.com/malhilli
such information is very important for the understanding of the political stance of the al hilli family and the al saffar family.
Usually if the younger partner is slim and good looking the older partner will be richer, more intelligent or more important. Now Clair Shutz is very slim, blond, good looking, intelligent and has a career and a business, plus her maternal uncle is a senior French politician.
We have been told by relatives of Sylvain that he had not even been to university and was only a welder.
It does not ring true.
Sylvain was a lot older than Clair and had a pre-existing family.
I doubt she would have been attracted to him if he was only a welder and had not been to university. I suspect, he was (among other things), a highly important metalurgist.
He has been dead almost two years now, I assume in France they have probate, which will be a public document.
Have you seen the amount of cash that’s flowing into the coffers of “ISIS” !
But Al Hilli was not Sunni.
Was he anything to do with the Shia cash coming out ?
What about the French ransom payment ? Anything to do with that 132 million ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2731015/The-grubby-multi-million-dollar-trade-hostages-fueling-rise-ISIS-How-European-allies-undermine-US-negotiate-terrorists.html
This I do know about.
There’s a chap with a very nice a/c that is equipped for this sort of thing.
Mainly operates in “West Africa”.
He had a crew stopped and arrested once (google it !).
Anyway, the money comes from the insurance co’s mainly (shipping)
And here you’re talking 10 / 20 million (not 132 million)
How did the French do this ?
You can’t “air drop” 100 plus million out of a Private Jet.
And no one will land.
Road is impossible.
A “Bank Transfer” !!!! That’s not going to happen.
How do you get 100 million into a country ?
@ James
Use a seahorse of course!
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/airlines-admit-their-cockpits-are-full-of-weird-shit-2014081489591
I cannot understand the reasoning behind the hiding of the friend of the family Mollier “suicide” victim,
not being named, after a couple of months.
Surely his family and friends will want to give him a send off?
GIP
That’s just “mad shit” and doesn’t happen.
ALTHOUGH… I did fly with one guy that has to wear his “F15 gloves” !
Not being a “fast jet jock” I thought he was kidding… he wasn’t (get a life !).
I fly with a newspaper and a cuppa ! Just habit I guess.
@Michael Norton: I take the Teddy Bears are not having a picnic near Chevaline.
This brought back memories of the early days of the al-Hilli threads. If you are an old-timer here, this is for you:
http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2014/08/delayed-galileo-satellites-now-set-for-launch/
Still nothing to “SEE” in Sweden,
kindly move along.
http://www.euronews.com/2014/08/23/man-shot-dead-at-swiss-mosque/
My very humble apologies that was not a mosque in Sweden
but a mosque in Switzerland ( not too far from Haute-Savoie)
Apparently many French persons think their socialist leader is a goon.
http://www.france24.com/en/20140821-hollande-former-housing-minister-calls-him-nobody-president/
http://www.france24.com/en/20140822-problems-hollande-france-rentree-unemployment-return/
I still think there is a good chance that Pierre Morange ex-leading light of the French right, doctor (Shutz-Morange Pharmacie)
arranged for Sylvain Mollier to move in with his niece to protect her.
@ Q
Re Galilaeo satellites – from Arianespace statement.
“Observations taken after the separation of the satellites from the Soyuz VS09 for the Galileo Mission show a gap between the orbit achieved and that which was planned”
Never mind Euromaidan, you can use GLONASS. . .
@Good in Parts: Aircraft mysteriously deviating from flight paths, Galileo satellites Doresa and Milena doing the same.
Today, I went to the beach with my kids. I found a sea
shell and gave it to my 4 year old daughter and sajd “You can hear the ocean if you put this to your ear.” She
placed the shell to her ear and screamed. There wwas a hermit
crab inside and it pinched her ear. She never wants to go back!
LoL I know this is enttirely offf topic but I had to tell someone!
This is just crab. What’s more: It’s outside the [confined] shell of what this community is about.
Lets forget the crab for a moment; I want to claw back at what in a nutshell this forum is supposed to be about.
Even if the family of Sylvain Mollier hasn’t yet put in progress probate,
I expect the 4000 Euro cycle has been returned?
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ISIS/Iraq/Saudi/US – the con goes on. This excerpt from http://inquiringminds.cc/uk-911-truth-report-isis-is-saudi-sponsored-run-out-of-us-embassy-in-ankara-ian-henshall
“Asked whether he knew details, how the final green light for the ISIS campaign was given, he said:
” Behind closed doors, in the presence of both Scowcroft, Hariri, and a couple of other people”. To my question “if he could be more specific” he replied “I could; I want to stay alive you know; Riccardione was tasked with the operation that day”.
Noting that a prominent member of Saudi Arabia’s royal family, Prince Abdul Rachman al-Faisal has been named as the one being “in command” of the ISIS brigades, and if he could either confirm or deny, he nodded, adding that “the Prince” is responsible for financing the operation and for part of the command structure, but that the operations headquarter is the U.S. Embassy in Ankara Turkey. “As far as I know, nothing moves without Ambassador Riccardione”, he added.
Ch/L – nsnbc 22.06.2014 ==
(7) Al-Maliki steps down
{Christof Lehmann gets this bit wrong. He thinks that the US still runs ISIL. On the contrary, they turned the tables on their former sponsor, like Afghan and Libyan militants before them. But Saudis still back ISIL – Peter M.}”
Isabel
23 Aug, 2014 – 9:32 pm a timely warning.
The Al Hilli/Mollier assassination is so obviously tied up with Middle East developments (although precisely how has still not been revealed by the many who are in the know) the early explanations of an “ordinary” crime are laughable and confirmatory. We had the whole al qaeda charade that has morphed into ISIS which has morphed into IS and all we are asked to believe without US involvement. You only have to compare the photos of kerry with maliki (1) and Kerry in Kirkuk (2) to see the American plan and that Maliki’s days were numbered. The only question that now remains is IS still taking orders from Washington or has it gone rogue? (A similar q can be posed about Chevaline of course) Something must have gone wrong to turn Al Qaeda into a moderate pussy, Iran a necessary ally, and Assad a friend. One brutal murder though clearly to be deplored is as nothing to the deaths and injuries in Gaza, yet the former elicits threats and military intervention; the latter zilch. Doesn’t it make you sick of the perfidious lies, though it has the small consolation of making plain, who, literally, is calling the shots.
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