The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/jimmy-carter-slams-financial-corruption-in-u-s-elections-1.1186555
What is required is a quite independent commission of inquiry into the events of 5.9.2012 with power to access all evidence and question under oath the main players with the objective of getting answers and facts to the still never answered questions. That would cause a few ruffled feathers, although along the lines of “Othona” and Elm House its unlikely they would ever survive the tidying up. Perhaps we should ask 38 degrees to start a petition in the interests of justice, truth and all that?
@Ricki Tarr 9:23 am:
When I found the link on a former French Legionnaires forum to strange talk of expensive bicycles, motorcycles, and the Tour de France, and knowing that Israel wanted the French foreign Legion to come to Gaza, knowing that the FFL fakes citizenship of its members and presumably gives them fake or stolen passports to back it up, it occurred to me that there are certain similarities to that other well-known black ops agency.
With so much overlap, would it be surprising if they carried out joint exercises? Or do they contract out to a local, familiar with the parties in question? Risk is reduced to the agency by one degree of separation, but a certain amount of control goes out the window.
Then there’s the matter of someone finding out about the plot and arriving too late to stop it, clued in by a party who knew what was about to happen, but had divided loyalties? An abused domestic partner, who’d finally had enough?
Thinking back also to the bizarre letter about blood flowing and al-Qaeda in the Christian Marechal murder, and the Legion’s principle “by the blood shed”. Mess with the Marechal killer and you’re messing with a whole lot of trouble?
A cover-up of another sort in France, another nail in the coffin for Sarkozy, from 2010:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1331479/Martina-Navratilovas-VIP-orgies-mystery-model-lovers-murdered-baby.html
Who are these French government agents who allegedly go around removing evidence from crime scenes before the hapless police arrive on the scene?
Great point I think that other Intelligence agencies do like to use proxies of any kind, it stops you having to ask for permission, the other agency has to go through there own channels usually on a favour for favour basis.
MI5/MI6 use ex SAS/SBS, CIA use anyone that can do their wet work including terrorist organisations, however I havent seen that a lot from the Mossad, they usually like to bask in their own glory!
The Canadian passport thing is very reminiscent of The Mossad as per past operations eg:Khaled Mashal (botch up).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Mashal
The other option not discussed in this case is that Saad had been set up, maybe to look like he was taking part in espionage etc, maybe he was the patsy and made a run for it and his murder would then keep the real conspirator hidden and in the clear.
My other question is why and what was the computer equipment he had at home? what was it used for? was he tapping into satellite feeds at home? seeing things he shouldnt or something that enraged him? was he using the Dark web to cover his tracks a good way for a US/Israeli hater to cover his tracks in this day and age of covert snooping by GCHQ and the NSA.
Tim – The Saudi’s have their hands in too many pies, if anyone uses Proxies its them, they made the statement that they dont need an Intelligence operations section as they just pay others to do it for them!
Lots of talk about the house of Saud funding IS.
I thought this was a great article and gives you a good understanding of where IS beliefs have come from……….Saudi
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html
Bessie mate of Pierre Morange was Christian Marechal
chief of police in Chambourcy.
He was knifed 16 times in his own home and there was no apparent break in.
Mrs, Marechal is still waiting for the police to apprehend the murderers
but after seven year they have NO CLUES.
No Clues after seven years,
try asking his bessie mate Pierre Morange some penetrating questions
By the way I liked your link Tim, great work!
http://inquiringminds.cc/foley-and-crisis-actors-and-a-hollywood-set-up-tim-veater
@Ricki Tarr 12:58 pm:
The bizarre cryptic letter at the Christian Marechal murder, shells at Chevaline — callings cards of different sorts?
Can anyone post up the bizarre cryptic letter left at the murder scene of Christian Marechal please.
I don’t know that the letter, or a photo of it, has ever been published, MN. Here is what we are told:
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/une-mysterieuse-lettre-pres-du-corps-du-policier-tue-15-04-2007-2007946034.php
I would also like to know if someone has published the “suicide” letter of the eX-Legionnaire, in full. Is there a photo of its contents anywhere?
There is a forensic science called statement analysis that examines these sorts of things.
So these officials seven years ago in Chambourcy imagine there is a strange crow ( or raven) hovering over them, taking account of their misdeeds?
I find the French somewhat difficult to decipher.
THis write tells Mr.Marechal was stabbed 18 times.
I found that in the link below (bottom).
perhaps this is somehow related, perhaps it isnt.
anyway, this is an interesting glitch with another Saad al Hilli who died just recently.
article:
In Shia Iraq, number 555 = number 666
God went out of his way to screw the United Iraqi Alliance List, whose identifying number on next month’s ballot for the parliamentary elections is ‘555’.
Imagine if the United States had adopted the same system and the Christian Coalition got saddled with the satanically-tinged number 666: the famous ‘Mark of the Beast’ of Book of Revelations-fame. (BTW, the scientific term that diagnoses the fear of the number 666 isHexakosioihexekontahexaphobia). That is exactly what happened to Seyyid Abdel-Aziz Al-Hakim and the current Prime Minister Ibrahim Al-Jafari, except that ‘555’ carries an even more vulgar stigma.
Iraq—as any other place in the world—has its share of cultural icons. Our Liberace was also a singer-songwriter who went by the name of Sa’adi Al-Hilli, also affectionately known as Abu Khalid. He is the butt of every homosexual-related joke in Iraq. Plus, there is an added twist, Sa’adi had a fondness for young boys, sort of as the honorary head of the Baghdad Chapter of NAMBLA…
Iraqis can be mean, very mean. Poor Sa’adi died last spring, and immediately people concocted jokes about God’s chastity coming under threat by the heaven-bound crooner. Sa’adi—as a famous joke with many spin-offs goes—was also very fond of the number ‘5’, which in Arabic, has an oval shape. Oval, implying sphincter-ly. I know, I know: this is kitschy and childish…but utterly devastating if your campaign posters are boasting the number ‘555’.
Abu Khalid, in an oval portrait…
Sa’adi’s representation of homosexuality is so pervasive, that his home town of Hilla now bears the brunt as Iraq’s Sodom and Gomorrah. Oddly, most Hillawis don’t seem to mind. One recent joke has the UIA list polling very well in Hilla.
In the last elections, Sa’adi Al-Hilli was invoked as political humor directed against Prime Minister Ayad Allawi: back in the day, Sa’adi had performed a song in which he serenades a young boy by the nickname of ‘Allawi’, a tender derivative of the name Ali. The joke had PM Allawi banning that song from Iraqi radio.
It would be irresponsible punditry to suggest that the UIA list has been damaged politically because of this number that came out with the luck of the draw. These numbers—starting from 501 and ranging to the mid-700s—were assigned by lottery to the various political coalitions and groupings competing for the December 15 elections. But that is exactly what is going to happen: the UIA list will be damaged by snickering childishness, and the late Sa’adi Al-Hilli.
This issue, coupled with Muqtada Al-Sadr’s refusal to bless the list, and the Fadhila Party—one of the main components—publicly asking to be withdrawn from the coalition, does not bode well. Of course, Sistani is staying clear of this train wreck.
God clearly does not want Iraq to turn into an Islamist theocracy. Thanks God, and don’t drop the soap!
http://talismangate.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html
to everybody
i am still reading here and keen to help. however, some posts are talking in riddles.
molliex, PB, mr.X ?
i need concrete basics to investigate any connections.
Interesting current crimes near Moscow. Sounds like a Chevaline carbon copy. Not related, but …..
Russian police are desperately hunting a group of serial killers who have murdered at least ten people after laying razor-sharp spikes across secluded roads to stop their cars.
The criminals, dubbed the ‘lonely road maniacs’, lurk in woodland or forest on the roadside, waiting for their next victim’s tyres to be slashed before shooting them dead.
Their motive appears to be purely cold-blooded, since the snipers have not stolen valuables from their victims in the region surrounding Russian capital Moscow.
As in other cases, the killers lurked in woodland or forest on the roadside.
He died from gun shot wounds to his head, while she survived chest wounds after emergency surgery.
In another case, a man was shot from his bike with his dog running beside him. It is thought the victim, Vladimir Kirilyuk, disturbed the gang as they lay spikes on the road. ‘There is a version, too, that they leave their vehicle either on a track in the woods or on the opposite side of the road, so that when the body is found they are already moving with the traffic in the opposite direction.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2748261/Baffled-Russian-police-desperate-hunt-serial-killers-dubbed-lonely-road-maniacs-lay-spikes-secluded-roads-shoot-victims-car-stops.html
follow up: (also well known and already suggested in the chevaline case)
Criminal psychologist Vinogradov, reportedly drafted in by the Russian Investigative Committee to assist on the case, said:
‘Judging by their behaviour these people either former military men, or ex-policemen.
‘You can see they were trained.
‘They are aged from 30 to 40 years old and they are at their peak physically.
‘There is a leader in the gang, two others are his aides. Judging by the character of their attacks I can say that these people love killing, their motivation is that of a maniac.’
He believes this is an unusual but not unique case of a gang of ‘serial killing maniacs’.
He believes that the killings could be a warped revenge for loved ones of the killers who died on the road, but many theories remain under investigation.
The Investigative Committee has declined to give details of the probe.
Thank you for another informative blog. Thhe place else may I
get that kind of info written in such a perfect method?
I have a mission thatt I’m just now working on, and I’ve been at the glance out for such information.
@bluebird
8 Sep, 2014 – 10:56 pm
The Swiss are encouraged to start their own investigation into foreign secret services operating on their soil.
○ Swiss Investigate Foreign Espionage Activities
Is there someone who would put forward the case of the advanced Hermes 900 UAV ‘evaluation’ mission flying over the Jura starting on Sept. 3, 2012. It’s operating height is up to 30,000 ft and under all weather circumstances. The Israeli surveillance could pinpoint in realtime all persons involved in the Alps killings of Chevaline. See my previous post here and full story here.
The Elbit Systems UAV has a satellite linkup, so it serves as eyes and ears for Israeli intelligence 24/7.
@bluebird or anyone
Can anyone shed some light who this person was or perhaps was moulded by Israeli ‘boot camp’ training. He was shot and killed by a SWAT team in Eilat. Date: October 11, 2012 – full story.
This information triggered my interest in the case …
Other members of the Oranim program described Hershkovitz as an eccentric person who previously made death threats more than once.
“A lot of people complained about him to management,” said one participant. “There was something very strange and creepy about his smile, but I never thought he could be aggressive.”
Another member of the program who knew Hershkovitz said that he had previously made death threats towards other participants in the program. He added that “Hershkovitz would talk to himself. He used to share with us his dreams of murdering people. He also used to speak against Arabs and Nazis.”
Interesting difference in details of version in NY Daily News:
“A participant, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was afraid of repercussions from the program, said Hershkowitz had issued death threats to other members, but program coordinators ignored repeated complaints.
“He would talk to himself, share dreams that he’d had about random killings and mutilations that he did, he would have statements against Arabs or Nazis or terrorist type movements,” the participant added.
Comment posted by Morgan Kinne, a Friend
As an old friend of Willie’s, this is unreal. SOMETHING must have happened to trigger this event that is not being said. I fully understand that what he did was not proper, but it is NOTHING like him. He was one of the sweetest, most kind and giving individuals I’ve ever met. Everyone from Poughkeepsie is shocked to hear this. His family is in my prayers.
For those interested in preliminary report crash investigation MH-17 …
Dutch Safety Board – Release of Report at 08:00 UTC
Tuesday 9 September, 10 AM local time AMSTERDAM (08:00 UTC)
That will be one hour from now!
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French government hanging by a one person unraveling thread
http://www.france24.com/en/20140908-fate-disgraced-french-mp-thomas-thevenoud-threat-hollande/
Disgraced ( for fiddling) French MP Tommy Thevenoud resigns from Francois Hollande ruling party.
Hollande is now on his third government, this year.
He himself has the lowest rating of a president since the war.
When things start falling apart at home and you wish to stay in power the usual answer is start a minor war.
○ Preliminary Report MH17 – pdf download
We really need the name of the deceased Legionnaire????
We all want concrete basics, Bluebird, but instead we have a concrete wall.
Why hasn’t the MSM sent anyone in to talk to the locals, and buy drinks to loosen tongues: “Molliex”!
It’s hard to believe that a local newspaper would get the spelling of a name wrong in a story that has been on the world stage for two years. But that is precisely what they did. I am not aware of any other media outlet spelling “Mollier” as “Molliex”. What a coincidence. There is a Molliex metallurgy/metalworks business:
http://www.molliex-freres.com/molliex.html
There is also this holding company, which Google Streets reveals as a Banque de France:
Holding Molliex
2 Bis Avenue Charles Poncet
74300 Cluses
France
http://www.verif.com/societe/HOLDING-MOLLIEX-388937179/
The strangest connections come up when you start searching names.
http://fr.linkedin.com/pub/molliex-christophe/13/25/261
http://www.verif.com/societe/OXATHERM-SAS-481996908/
http://arabia.tradebanq.com/company/247841/Oxatherm-Sas.html
http://companylist.org/Details/10847601/France/OXATHERM_SAS/
http://russia.tradebanq.com/product/247841/Ore.html
It’s all very confusing.
@Ricky Tarr
Take a look – annonce. Use it, google it but don’t post the name yet.
For Bluebird
In England you have to register the birth of a child within a few weeks or you are comiting a crime.
If the mother and father are not married the father must also go to get the child registered in his name.
Now the baby of Syvain and Claire was three months old at the time of Chevaline.
So we must think they have had the baby registered.
Now this couple were not married but were intended.
So birth certificates should be public documents.
There is a good chance we can know who Mr.Mollier is from the baby birth certificate?