The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Spot on Bluebird
13 Sep, 2014 – 8:11 pm. This story may have legs. People can get killed as much for what they know as what they do. The killing may be to stop the work/progress by removing the person with the critical expertise. Or it may be to stop the information getting out, if the person concerned is deemed unreliable. Or it may be retribution for past activity. Of course those behind it may be domestic or foreign. In either case the domestic authorities may decide playing down the incident, ascribing it to accident or self harm preferable to truth either because they were the instigators or foreigners are too influential. Where it is convenient, as with Litvinenko, an agency is identified, although this does not guarantee a judicial or diplomatic result or prevent further incidents. Drugs, both legal and illegal is BIG business. Both legitimate firms and criminal gangs are all mixed up together with law enforcement and intelligence networks as has been demonstrated with CIA/Contra etc and now Afghanistan which runs through a quagmire of current instability. Is it any coincidence that the routes into both north america (Mexico/Central America) and Europe (Syria/ Ukraine) are war zones? So we would be well advised to keep an open mind about Dr Veitch and Nottingham and GSK, particularly as Ebola constitutes a major threat and profits opportunity, in which Veitch’s speciality is crucial for developing the virus strains from which, as far as I can recollect, the vaccine is created. I have no idea but the finding of his body was initially locally reported as “a mystery”. He could have gone into the sea and drowned but the aspect that puzzles me is where he was found floating. The police are also down-playing the fact after a long delay (“just helping the Coroner”) whilst still seeking information about his last moments. This, on the face of it is very strange. The police would normally not pre-judge until AFTER all relevant information is collated.
Tim’s back ! More crap !
….and he’s “changed his name” ! Now “Veater” !
Then there is the whole subject of germ warfare and possible connections with ebola. This could happen on multiple levels. Is ebola a naturally occurring disease in humans, or has it been bio-engineered, or introduced to the human population from a primate source? At another level, has it been studied to create a dangerous product or purely to develop vaccines. What is clear is that American teams have been in Sierra Leone for years and that the two Americans were treated and recovered almost miraculously. Needless to say, Africans are expendable and untreated, indeed un-nursed even. Theoretically we could have the situation where white affluent populations were protected, bit pharma companies making huge profits as a result, whilst black Africans died in their millions, not unlike AIDS in fact. Surely this is not the intention?
see: http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-are-us-biological-warfare-researchers-doing-in-the-ebola-zone/5394582
It’s going to be finish of mine day, however before end
I am reading this enormous article to increase my know-how.
Pink
15 Sep, 2014 – 3:57 pm if the bike on the low loader is SM’s we can be pretty sure from the tyre width, even under the tarpaulin, that it was not a mountain bike and more likely a racer. This is supported by other sources either directly or circumstantially. First the aerial photo released about a year later that shows a bike leaning. Although indistinct white-wall thick rims can be identified which linked to the narrow tread (on the loader) can only point to a racer. Then there is the expense of the bike that points more to a racer than mountain bike. Then there is WBM’s evidence, if it can be believed, that despite being no slouch on a bike, SM went past him, suggesting a faster machine all other things being equal.
Tim, perhaps I am wrong and Sylvain was on a racing snake.
Bluebird, perhaps I am wrong and Sylvain lived on his own lying in his own piss in a doss house in Ugine.
But if on that fateful day he was with Claire, it would have been at The Pharmacie Schutz in Grignon.
That is where he would have started his cycle ride and it is to Grignon that he was expected to return.
Yep… you’re likely wrong (or mad).
Separate sources say he was on a “racing bike” and that was strange.
But carry on with your madness.
By the end you’ll probably think he was riding a snake !
It is to do with obfuscation, slight of hand, they put out partial stories to occlude the actual events.
Why would Eric Maillaud want the public to believe that Sylvain MOllier left from Ugine, when in fact he left from Grignon?
Clue, what is adjacent to The Pharmacie Schutz?
Lets clear up what I said which was I ORGINALLY thought Sm was on a mountain bike because that was what the mayor said was his usual habit ,it later transpired it was an expensive racing bike, I do not know who turned up that piece of info .
James I know the bikes were in the awning and I was not talking about that I said I saw a pink bike behind the caravan I have never seen it there in any photo since I have checked and its a puzzle to me, was I mistaken or was it moved I am not sure.
While I am here it was SKY video that was removed where the journalist said the cyclist was coming from above the layby and not a BBC video.
It may have been removed because he made an error in his reporting, I kept it in mind because it was removed and this far along with the finding of the location of the bike and the fact SM was shot in the back it does seem possible to me that he was heading downhill from above which would conflict with BM’s version of events .
As far as I am aware there is no other person to confirm SM’s direction of travel to date so it is not impossible.
I would lean more to one journalist being mistaken in the normal course of events, in this case who knows what the truth is .
Irrespective of where (Eric has claimed) Sylvain Mollier lived,
it should be possible to draw his proposed route on a map, Claire will know from where Sylvain started and she will know where his was expected to return.
I do not know but I do not think this information has be given out.
If Sylvain was merely a passing cyclist and only collateral damage,
what possible trouble could come from releasing Sylvain’s route?
What possible trouble could come from releasing a photograph of the bike Sylvain road that day?
What possible trouble could come from releasing a recent photograph of Sylvain Mollier?
I strongly suggest that Sylvain spent his days with Claire and their newborn son in The Pharmacie Schutz, Grignon, adjacent to the Sapeur-Pompier.
I strongly suggest that Sylvain started on his bike ride from the pharmacie and was expected to return to the pharmacie in Grignon.
The expensive bike is mentioned here how true any of this is I have no idea.
“Mollier was riding a new £4,000 racing bike on the day he was murdered.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248973/French-Alps-shooting-Cyclist-murdered-massacre-involved-bitter-dispute-million-pound-inheritance.html#ixzz3DTBN7icx
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Here friends and relatives speak up for SM and this is mentioned .
“Locals in Ugine’s cafés remember seeing him pushing the baby buggy through the cobbled square in the days before his death”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9653238/Alps-murders-Family-of-French-cyclist-Sylvain-Mollier-speak-out-for-first-time.html
@Pink
I recall the mayors interview (and the mention of the bike).
He was afterall the chap that would inform the family of SM’s death (officially).
I guess (like everyone) Mr Mayor didn’t think a “local man” could get lost in his “local area”…..and so wouldn’t be up that route on such an expensive racing bike.
You see they have to explain a couple of things.
What Mollier was doing at the Martinet and why on such a bike.
The “get out clause” is “Mollier was lost”. End of story.
And that’s just ridiculous.
He was a local man. He was an experienced cyclist. He was an avid road racer.
They don’t just “get lost in a local area and climb a bad road with a 4K fragile bike”.
tim, you’re going to like that.
Today this is in the most reknown newspaper in liberia as a headline.
Thomas, the WHO expert on ebola who was investigating the US biowarfare lab in Kenema on behalf of the WHO, (Kenema is in Sierra Leone) died in MH17.
http://www.liberianobserver.com/security/ebola-aids-manufactured-western-pharmaceuticals-us-dod
They’re all involved: France, GlaxoSmithKline, Tulane University, US military, ….
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ebola-virus-pandemic-a-weapon-of-mass-destruction/5394976
http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-are-us-biological-warfare-researchers-doing-in-the-ebola-zone/5394582
The US doesn’t perform Mengele-style?
So then read that:
http://m.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-14712089
No wonder Obama today decided to send 3000 military to west africa to “help ebola”.
James 16th September 11.33am
I think Mr. Eric has missed a trick.
In my mind, I see Sylvain doing a round trip on a mountain bike, I see him leaving Claire, their new born son and The Pharmacie Schutz in Grignon, adjacent to the Sapeur-Pompier and going on a route he has discussed with Claire, she is expecting him back at a set time
( give or take an hour, if he doesn’t hit any trouble), he will cycle up past Le Martinet and South over the mountain, coming back on mountain tracks with a great vista and back to Grignon.
He takes his mobile phone with him, so if he gets a puncture, of throws a chain, he can call Claire and say how much later he will be. All perfectly normal.
Why didn’t Eric run with this line, he has complicated the story by introducing
a multi – thousand Euro racing bike and the very unlikely tale of Sylvain climbing up to Le Martinet, getting lost and having to come back the way he went.
The reason Eric has introduced the rather pricey racing cycle
and why he claims Sylvain lives in Ugine,
is to remove Grignon from the picture.
Eric wants us to believe Sylvain was on a very expensive racing cycle,
so he would go up to Le Martinet and back down again
ie. not over the mountain and back to Grignon.
Eric wants us to remove Grignon from “the story”
It would be interesting to know if William Brett Martin had visited the Sapeur-Pompier in Grignon.
It would be interesting to know who was in the Sapeur-Pompier buildings, adjacent to The Pharmacie Schutz on that fateful day.
“Why are western health workers with Ebola flown out, but locals left to die? The death of Dr Olivet Buck after the WHO refused to fly her out of Sierra Leone is not just wrong: it’s making the Ebola epidemic worse Joseph Harker theguardian.com, Monday 15 September 2014 17.01 BST”
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/15/ebola-doctor-death-olivet-buck-sierra-leone?CMP=fb_gu
US to send 3,000 troops to Ebola danger zone as Obama administration shuffles military’s mission in Africa
The Obama administration said late Monday night that the U.S. military will set up a command post in Monrovia, Liberia, the Ebola outbreak’s epicenter
‘This effort … will involve an estimated 3,000 U.S. forces,’ according to the White House
Pentagon official says military will ‘be the lead dog, and that will make a lot of people nervous. … No one wants U.S. personnel enforcing someone else’s martial law if things go south and the entire region is at risk’
U.S. Africa Command warns servicemen and women: ‘Avoid nonessential travel to Sierra Leone, Guinea, and Liberia’
Pentagon is drawing flak for sending 25-bed ‘field-deployable hospital’ that is meant to treat health care workers, not civilian victims
The U.S. president will travel to the CDC in Atlanta on Tuesday for a briefing about his government’s efforts to stem the tide overseas
By David Martosko, Us Political Editor for MailOnline
Published: 05:01, 16 September 2014 | Updated: 14:28, 16 September 2014
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2757360/US-send-3-000-troops-Ebola-danger-zone-Obama-administration-shuffles-military-s-mission-Africa.html#ixzz3DUAcfA6o
Could oil have something to do with it? After all how many American troops have been sent out to help with the AIDS epidemic in which an estimated couple of million Africans have died every year which in 2011 constitute 70 percent of all AIDS deaths in the world! (95% of new infections occur in individuals living in low- and middle-income countries. Sub-Saharan Africa is the most affected region, with nearly 1 in every 20 adults living with HIV. Sixty-nine percent of all people who are living with HIV in the world live in this region.)
The explanation for the 3000 “philanthropic” troops clearly becomes laughable.
Michael Norton
15 Sep, 2014 – 10:36 pm your theory may be correct but it’s a big “if”. We can’t be sure Claire was at the pharmacy. She may have been at home. I am sure she has staff at the shop to look after things when she’s not there. If she was there she might have had the kiddy with her leaving Sylvain back at the house. With plenty of money they may well have had a nanny/baby sitter. There are too many options to be sure of any one. All we know (if the reports can be believed) there is conflicting evidence about his bike ride, the police suggesting he was “lost” and that Claire did not know where he was, yet she drove to the very spot before returning to get an identification photo (which of course has never been published) and actually phoned him and had a brief conversation with him only minutes before he was killed. So as with so much else in this case the story does not add up or concur with the official one that he was “just passing”. That’s one of the reasons the whole thing stinks from start to finish.
@Bluebird:
https://sites.google.com/site/bioterrorbible/BIO-MONKEYS/Monkey-Escapes
http://faculty.humanities.uci.edu/bjbecker/PlaguesandPeople/week10d.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/05/when-viruses-escape-the-lab/371202/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment
Arthropod vectors mentioned in the second link.
I think this belongs in the “Disappearing Aircraft” thread, don’t you?
Pink
15 Sep, 2014 – 11:23 pm I remember that Sky report(er) too saying he came DOWN and thought it strange referring to it in some of my early posts on the subject. It could have been a faux pas, letting the cat out of the bag so to speak, or it could have been a mistake or it could have been just a slip of the tongue. Either way Sky would want to remove it I guess. Thing is it is not impossible he came DOWN. If I was making a very dubious meet in a lonely spot I might well cycle past first to appear unconnected and to suss it out. Always easy to turn round and come back if everything appears OK. However amidst all the uncertainty we have a few things that are likely to be mote reliable than others in respect of the photo graphic evidence that has been made available of the scene at various stages. (How it was made public is another story entirely) So we can fairly certainly factor in where he placed his bike, significantly facing DOWNhill which means he was either coming down or he cycled at least to that point and turned it round ready for his return trip. )I think we can reasonably rule out anyone else, including the police, moved it there as the principle is you do not interfere with a crime scene until after the experts have arrived and they are still there in the photo) But more crucially is the location and position of Sylvain’s body and the location of the bullet cartridges which tell a story all their own. The shooting must have taken place at the lower end of the layby (significantly from where WBM was to approach) and it appears SM was trying to escape away from the car up and to the rear of the car park when he was shot in the back, the shooter then presumably shooting the passengers in the car before returning to Sylvain to deliver the fatal head shots. At least that’s one plausible explanation the police must have worked out.
Does it need repeating that despite any fool policeman being able to work this out, to the public they blatantly LIED that the attack shooter came from the top of the layby. Just one of the many they have put out which undermines their credibility utterly.
Tim, I believe it has been reported that moments before Syvain was slaughtered his ex-wife rang him on his mobile phone?
Funny Brett said there was no signal.
No doubt Eric could clear this up for us.
Was it the ex-wife or Claire who rang Sylvain just before the shooting started?
Bluebird
16 Sep, 2014 – 12:00 pm spot on as always. Have just got to this after typing the above contributions so apologies if I appear to be repeating what you posted. Hopefully mine comes from a slightly different angle. Yet again as with ISIS we are dealing with crude American misinformation which are now coming to expect and is a very ominous aspect of modern geo-politics. Basically it has come to a pretty pass when nothing from our governments can be believed. Everybody seems to be at it, the latest being labour’s ex defence minister likening Putin to Stalin whilst NATO continues arming Ukrainian fascists and Syrian extreme Muslim fanatics. You really couldn’t make it up!
The US is using ebola as thin cover for military intervention in Nigeria. We have been here before with the Congo and Angola (the Wiki entry on African civil wars is “too long” it says!) Nigeria is a big corrupt oil producer subject to boco haram type insurrection (though how much that is a creation of the CIA we dont know) and vulnerable to the big new enemy China elbowing in so “get some troops in there”. US intervention always starts with a plausible excuse. Trouble is in this new internet age, their methods haven’t caught up and ever larger proportions of the public can see through the lies. We have it at Chevaline. We have it with the two MH’s. We have it with Ukraine. Wehave it with Syria. We have it with ISIS. In fact since 9/11 we have it EVERYWHERE. As the UK splinters and looks increasingly ineffective, the politicians coming out with this speel appear increasingly isolated and irrelevant not to mention untrustworthy. Such combinations in a world of nuclear weapons are highly dangerous both internally and externally and those intent on them criminally insane..
In connection with the now OFFICIALLY ADMITTED fraud of the Foley (and presumably other two) beheading videos there was this very strange quote from Obama that you might not have seen. “Optics” ????!!!!
“Sunday, 07 September 2014 15:01
Written by AFP”I should have anticipated the optics,” Obama said in an interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday.
The president said that he had been forced to hold back tears when he spoke privately to the family of Foley, who was beheaded, but added that there was always the prospect of a “jarring” contrast between world events, and his own efforts to carve out a semblance of a normal life through recreation.
And he also admitted that sometimes his own performance in some of the more public rituals of the presidency was lacking.
“Part of this job, is also the theater of it.
“It’s not something that always comes naturally to me. But it matters. And I’m mindful of that,” Obama said.
Obama was hammered in the press after being pictured smiling and enjoying his round of golf after making a public statement last month after Foley’s death, while he was on vacation on the resort island of Martha’s Vineyard http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/news/world-news/178059-obama-regrets-golfing-after-foley-death”
Martha’s Vineyard too with all its associations. Is he getting a message out here, trapped as he is – a lame duck President trying his best to look as if he is in control of events whilst being directed by others? Yet DESPITE being proved a hoax, politicians incuding our own outdo one another to treating it as reliable and casus belli for more bombing!
It’s the constant gardener all over again. That canny le Carre/Cornwall informs without implication. A novel is so harmless as Catherine Coulter has discovered with her best sellers.
but this is reassuring
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/08/deadly-virus-ricin-discovered-us_n_5782322.html?ncid=webmail14