The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
“It first aired on FX on July 13, 2014. When a plane lands in New York City with all but four of its passengers mysteriously dead,”
The above person….
I think you’re “ranting” ….or on the wrong thread.
Either way…. your post isn’t relevant. Ebola, Hollywood, Al Hilli ?
You need to put a cork in the bottle once you’ve had enough to drink.
A chunk of a Russian spy satellite falls out of the sky over the mountains, and the nuclear experts do not explain why.
http://news.sky.com/story/1337461/fireball-was-russian-spy-satellite-experts-say
FWIW in relation to Chevaline, or Disappearing Aircraft.
Tim
I thought it has been said Sylvain was on three years leave, for child rearing reasons.
He is starting a new life with Claire Schutz,
although Claire had been the manger in The Pharmacie Schutz-Morrange in Grignon
for some time, it was (about a year) before she became pregnant with Sylvain’s baby
that she became the legal business owner. Obviously, this is not something to be taken lightly.
We have also been told that Sylvain’s other two sons by his former wife, had come to live with them. It is unlikely that Cezus will be coughing up full wages to Sylvain for three years.
So, to me, the obvious solution for Claire, Sylvain and the three children, is to live above the shop in Grignon.
If Sylvain owns his own home in Ugine( even if still mortgaged)he can let it out.
By living over the shop, renting out Sylvain’s home and Claire being the owner & manager of The Pharmacie Schutz, they might just manage, financially.
On Wednesday night a hiker found the body hanging from the trees and reported to the police in Annecy.
http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-savoie/2014/09/18/chavanod-un-corps-decouvert-dans-le-fier-jeudi-soir
It would seem the hiker reported the body in the river Fier, but the Annecy police found a body hanging in the trees.
The body was evacuated by helecopter.
Nobody has been reported missing?
Michael Norton….
I’d have laughed if I happen known better.
The dead body drowns….and then climbs a tree to hang itself.
Can’t wait for the police to announce (and they are looking at how long the body had been immersed) “There’s nothing suspicious”.
Annecy. Twin towned with Midsomer Norton. The home of bizarre deaths !!!!!!
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James
if the person is not reported missing, the body will have no name,
next they’ll be saying
“There are no clues”
Michael….
Wait till the coroner gets the body. Cause of death…. “He was shot”.
No I.D. on the body I bet either.
No name. No I.D. No one missing. No clues.
As Zaid al Hilli would say ” I do not trust the French”
Trouble is, there often doesn’t seem to be any follow up.
We probably will never hear nuthin
One of the things I can’t understand, if this is supposed to be a joint investigation, leaving no stones unturned, why don’t The English Police
solve this crime if The French are making no headway?
Michael Norton
No idea how these “cross border investigations” actually go on. As in “actually”.
But looking at it another way… it’s of the patch off the Surrey police.
Whilst they “may” want to solve the crime…they haven’t got a gunman on the loose.
So…. I guess they opt for the “route of least paperwork”.
Which means it’s a French matter.
And I doubt “Paris” will be losing sleep over this.
Do we have a tally of all the bizarre and questionable deaths in the Savoie and Haute Savoie in the year immediately preceding the Chevaline killings until the present? Names (if known), dates, exact location and means of death would be helpful on this list. A map would be helpful, too.
Incredible! Corpses in trees now, as if they’ve been placed there as a warning to others, like in the old days when the victims of public hangings were left to rot in situ.
I still don’t understand why a couple of elderly fugitives would run off with a bunch of jewels to a place like this, fraught with danger at every turn in the mountain roads, a place where corpses hang from trees, and everybody seems to think it’s business as usual.
It is no small matter to hang a body in a tree to the person who is doing it:
http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/21-23.htm
This is a signficant act by the person who has decided to do it. This person’s beliefs compelled them. Their beliefs could be their unravelling.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2493892/Taliban-hung-mates-body-parts-trees-months-hell-Horrific-testimony-Marines-fighting-Death-Valley.html
Is the Alps killer a soldier, or a soldier of fortune?
Historical practice, renewed in the French Alps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbeting
The point I was making Michael Norton
18 Sep, 2014 – 6:29 am, on what basis was SM allowed to take such a big break? It suggests his contract of employment was being maintained whilst allowing him to be away. Was he on a retainer or a pension? Or did they suspend his employment with a promise to take him back? WHY would the firm do this? It is totally exceptional but has never been explained. In view of all the circumstances it definitely should have been, but as with everything else, this case is wrapped in secrecy.
As for the British police as has been proved recently, it is not averse to lying (Hillsborough/Plebgate), having sex undercover, destroying evidence, turning a blind eye to massive sexploitation (Saville/Nottingham/Rotherham), kow-towing to Special Branch/MI5 to cover up murder (Gareth Williams – another spying cyclist!), etc. This can hardly fill us with confidence about the Surrey/Sussex investigation of this one can it? We have to conclude as soon as MI5 or 6 is involved in anything, the police investigation/Coroner Inquest is as good as nothing. In this one it is clear they are not even trying. If they are they are keeping very quiet about it. Only once did they emerge from the fog of silence about 6 months after the event to issue that strange appeal for the 4×4 BMW X5. Then virtually nothing except in relation to Zaid, arresting, bailing, releasing and very visibly protecting him with armed officers, none of which is “normal”. At the first anniversary they appeared next to Eric but said nothing of importance. At the second not even a statement issued. This is highly suggestive of burying the crime and any evidence of which they must have a massive amount. Incredibly they hid behind the excuse it was a French investigation despite four British subjects being involved. Nor have any representative MP’s demanded questions of the Home Secretary. The immediate family arn’t saying anything either so presumably they are either satisfied or have been silenced one way or another – the children obviously being a big bargaining chip as wards of court. All this of course points to only one thing – massive cover-up and “national security” which gives the lie to what some have wanted us to believe, this was just an “ordinary” crime.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575182/Dozens-cases-doubt-Undercover-police-unit-routinely-lied-courts.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28877001
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537037/Scotland-Yard-corruption-leaked-report-claims-police-bribed-DESTROY-evidence-SLEPT-criminals-intimidated-witnesses.html
Another interpretation of the significance of hanging bodies in trees:
http://www.solagroup.org/articles/understandingthebible/utb_0009.html
Do the people of the French alps have their own court of justice, or is this the act of a “lone nutter”?
and to the south of Annecy:
http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-provence/2014/09/17/le-pere-de-famille-tue-dans-un-violent-cambriolage-a-aubignosc “A father was killed last night in the family home Aubignosc (Haute-Provence) where he lived with his wife and son 15 years.”
and to the west a man loses an arm in a circular saw accident:
http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-savoie/2014/09/17/chavanod-le-bras-coupe-il-court-vers-la-route-pour-demander-de-l-aide
Now’s here’s a very interesting one from our French and Israeli friends involving satellite phones and emergency 4×4 response even if it was a false alarm. Picked up in Israel 3000 miles away got the French on scene almost immediately!
“That’s the problem with these satellite phones last generation. A simple press of the emergency button and a recorded message goes immediately to a programmed number itself.
So naturally, when such an alert message – “I’m hurt, I need help” – comes from a compatriot, especially in a country like Israel under stress, we do not compromise with anything.
This message was received by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Israel at the end of August. Immediately supported, the message was located and forwarded to the Israeli consulate in Marseille. From there, things moved very quickly. French rescue services were alerted and in the night the platoon of police mountain (PGHM) Chamonix was informed of the message sent from the field of Flegère.
“The next morning we got up 4×4 to the place from where the alert, “said a rescuer policeman. They found a tent and inside, a man who was sleeping blissfully.
Asked about the obviously false alarm, the victim of his satellite phone said he had spent a night rather agitated and accidentally pressed the button alert.
At least we now know the effectiveness of a rescue person orchestrated 3000 miles away!”
http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-savoie/2014/09/17/une-fausse-manoeuvre-a-chamonix-declenche-une-chaine-de-secours-depuis-israel
So an Israeli compatriot getting agitated whilst sleeping in a tent in a remote area with a satellite phone. No problem. Nothing unusual about that then.
Then whilst on the subject of telecommunications involving tracker devices to satellite or drone there is this little bit of information that comes from Afghan informers in the process of suing the MoD for abandoning them to their fate (two sons already killed by Taliban as a result) His job was to place “plastic buttons” at the site of Taliban from which bombing raid would follow. (the Times)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331184/Afghan-interpreters-fear-abandoned-Britain-left-mercy-vengeful-Taliban.html
Satellite distress/emergency signals are nothing new.
My watch has one has one.
Clearly it doesn’t “call the local police” !
But I am “guessing” they would be the ones informed… if I was nearby. I hope so !
The broken roof rack again !
Were did that go ? Why haven’t the French mentioned this ?
Significant ?
It would be if Mollier was holding onto it as Al Hilli tried to escape.
Of course that would mean that Mollier “ran” and sought cover.
But he was “there by mistake” !!!!!
Laughable
one of “the coincidences” that surprized me was how many of the “actors” seem to have dwellings in Lathuile.
Actors Mr.& Mrs. Deronzier — Jean-Claude Deronzier fell off a cliff.
(Their two sons marry the two daughters of Mr. Communal Tournier).
William Brett Martin—ex-RAF Type discoverer of Slaughter of the Horses Incident.
Eric Devouassoux —-ex-local policeman, mountain man, suspect and gun “collector”.
Eric’s mate Jean Luc Falcy, another arrested gun “collector”
Jean Paul Communal-Tournier is on the local city council in charge of wood as is a Mr. Millet.
Now some of the relatives of Jean Luc Falacy are also Millet.
Nicole & Jean Paul Communal Tournier, he is related to Sylvain and she was shot dead.
That is an awful lot of actors in a small village.
Added to which the inlaws of Eric Devouassoux live in Chevaline.
Have I missed anybody out?
Stan M. Reunion high level paedo intrigue
Hollande has put off his little trip to Reunion
because of the plane downed in Mali.
http://news.sky.com/story/1306685/passenger-plane-wreckage-spotted-in-desert
No report yet of why this aircraft went down.
So I suppose Mr.Hollande has not yet been on his trip to Reunion
French “politics” ! And we all think Italy is bad.
Doesn’t Claire’s uncle carry a gun still ?
Where in the world does that happen.