The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Oh James, you’re back!
So the news is actually about the million euros he deposited in his OWN Swiss account sometime during the summer.
Now why haven’t mainstream UK press published THAT?
In case posters don’t know it, William Hershkovitz was working for Iranim, whose official head is the Jewish Agency for Isreal which works hand-in-glove with fellow-government agency, the Mossad, especially trying to get Jews, particularly scientists working for Iran, to come home.
Several years ago, they were required by Israel’s Supreme Court to find out what had happened to 12 Jewish scientists who had gone missing in trying to make their way to Israel.
Iranim’s head is Natan Sharansky, the extreme zionist who wants to kick out every Arab-Israeli.
Intereesting that Hershkovitz’s victim, Armando Abed, is an Arab-Israeli.
He certainly would have had the strongest reasons to dislike Hershovitz. and suspect him of having done something in the al-Hilli massacre.
Looks like the total for the Annecy massacre is now up to six.
Where will it end?
Dopey,
His “bank” account ? His fathers “bank” account ?
Company ? Companies (other than Shtech and AMS1087) ?
December trip to France ? Visit to Iraq ?
Who knows what’s going on.
Weapons triggers. Inheritance. Nuclear metals.
Swiss account(s). Safety deposit box(es). Sparbuch(s).
There really is little “hard facts” available.
And few “links” out there.
No real “direction” confirmed really.
I can’t say for sure if he worked for SSTL, DMCii or Elektra !
James go look at the David Ickle thread. They’re saying they can’t get on here. I wondered why it was so quiet- the site is blocked for some of them.
DM updated. Says the account was in the name of Saad AND Ikbal
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213477/Alps-shooting-Judges-seize-sizeable-sum-cash-Swiss-bank-account-linked-British-family-gunned-down.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DPeter%2BAllen
(God I feel lonely in here)
It happened to me before for about 45 mins I couldnt get in here thought it was down and when I got in everyone else had been typing so I said so. No-one had a prob then just me and I think 1 other.
Jon(Mod) what is happening?
why cant most people get in here?
Is there a server problem I can tell people about?
Am I here alone?
No, I’m still here Strawberry. I’ve had no problems at all. I’m still using IE7 and am on a UK server.
Google chrome and UK server here.
What do you make of last nights 11.26 post?
I just put it down to (weird) spam. There have been a couple of similar posts in this or the previous threads so I just discounted it.
That site is hosted in British Columbia, but what language is this squiggle in these search results?
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=webbrand.blogbaker&hl=en&gbv=2&prmd=ivns&ei=KStwUO6OL6fC0QW9noCYCw&start=30&sa=N
Persian
Blogbaker is the most popular in China, Pakistan, India, Korea and Iran
It seems to host many sites in the Asian regions which are flogging fake designer goods.
@mods @moderator Jon/Clark
please fix the broken dns records upstream.
94.124.88.232 is still up and working, but needs a hostname to serve this site.
dig +trace http://www.craigmurray.org.uk
….
craigmurray.org.uk. 172800 IN NS ns1.expathos.eu.
craigmurray.org.uk. 172800 IN NS ns2.expathos.eu.
;; Received 87 bytes from 195.66.240.130#53(ns1.nic.uk) in 324 ms
dig: Couldn’t find server ‘ns1.expathos.eu’: No address associated with nodename
I couldn’t access this site the usual way this morning, but had to use the Aurora browser (from the Onion project), which uses servers scattered all over the world. At first I couldn’t even use that but changed identity 3 times (i.e. servers) and then I could. Could anybody give the technical explanation for this?
Mission impossible getting on here today..
“December trip to France ? Visit to Iraq ?”
Looks like someone gave him a million euros for something.
Next up he’s changing the locks and running, only stopping to have a clandestine meeting with Mollier…
How did you get in, Dave?
The French police had great plans. Today, one month after the murders, they would have asked for witnesses, but they can´t get a hotline to work…
“The appeal for witnesses to be launched on Saturday in the investigation into the killing (Haute-Savoie) is delayed until early next week because of a technical problem.
The hotline allows any witnesses to come forward “has not yet been assigned, but must be early next week,” said the service information and public relations of the armies (SIRPA). The particular appeal for witnesses to help clarify the course of the four victims.”
http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-savoie/2012/10/06/tuerie-de-chevaline-l-appel-a-temoins-retarde
“How did you get in, Dave?”
Tor browser and 2 lots of id changes.
@ thomas
6 Oct, 2012 – 3:47 pm
Unbelievable.
Won’t let the latest rash of spam interfer with what happened apparently to one of the Mossad kidon, William Hershkovitz, who had helped dispose of the al-Hillis.
Seems that the Poughkeepsie potter decided to make a great change in life by becoming a regular hitman of the Israeli intelligence service, joining the Iranim Program in the expectation that successful assassinations of Saad and his ilk would make him a permanent agent.
Little did he figure that once the dirty work had been done, the Mossad washed its hands of him, alluding, it seems, to Arab-Israeli sous chef boss Armando Abed what he might well have been up to in France, expecting that this would persuade Hershkovitz to go back to the States and his pottery.
He exploded over the prospect, though, and made things so difficult that the program had to find a new place for him, but he would have none of it, resulting in the shooting rampage on Friday morning.
Of course, the shootings cause all kinds of problems in covering up, especially for Israeli counterterrorist, but the NYT got the ball rolling with this piece which was not fit to print, and the rest of the media joined in:
New Yorker, Fired by Hotel in Israel, Kills Co-Worker
By JODI RUDOREN
Published: October 5, 2012
JERUSALEM — A New York man who was fired from a hotel in the Israeli resort city of Eilat on Thursday returned there on Friday morning and opened fire amid a crowd of tourists, then killed a kitchen worker before being shot to death by police officers, the authorities said.
The gunman, William Herskowitz, a 23-year-old potter from Poughkeepsie, N.Y., had arrived in Israel on Aug. 27 for a five-month program known as Masa that combines travel and Hebrew study with internships, in this case in hotels in Eilat, a Red Sea port. Yuval Arad, a spokesman for the program, said Mr. Herskowitz was told Thursday that he had to leave the program and decide by next week whether to return home or to remain in Israel with relatives.
“There was some problems with his attitude and with the hotel staff,” said Mr. Arad, declining to elaborate. Another official with the program, Ofer Gutman, told The Associated Press that Mr. Herskowitz was a “normal guy,” adding, “There was nothing that indicated what would happen in the end.”
Micky Rosenfeld, an Israeli police spokesman, said the episode began around 9 a.m. Friday, when Mr. Herskowitz grabbed a pistol from a security guard at the Leonardo Club Hotel and fired several shots in the dining area before storming into the kitchen, where he killed a cook, Armando Abed, 33, from the Arab Christian town of Miliya, in Galilee. The shots fired in the dining room did not strike anyone.
Mr. Herskowitz then “barricaded himself in the kitchen,” Mr. Rosenfeld said, raising police fears of a hostage situation. Around 10:15 a.m., antiterrorism units from the Israeli Defense Forces “moved in on the suspect, and he opened fire again,” Mr. Rosenfeld said.
It turned out that no hostages had been taken, and guests in the lobby and dining area were ordered to return to their rooms and lock the doors. Two women were treated for shock.
Israeli officials originally identified the gunman as William Hershkovitz, but public records in the United States listed his name with a W instead of a V, the more common American spelling, and without the second H.
Mr. Arad said Mr. Herskowitz was among thousands of young adults in Masa, a program combining tourism, study and work that is financed in part by the Jewish Agency for Israel and run by Oranim, an educational tourism provider. He was one of 80 Masa participants living and working in Eilat hotels, Mr. Arad said.
The Jewish Agency said after the shooting that it had appointed a committee to investigate the circumstances under which Mr. Herskowitz had been accepted to the program.
Relatives of Mr. Herskowitz’s in the United States did not respond to phone calls on Friday. Public records and Internet searches suggest that he attended the State University of New York at New Paltz and worked there as a ceramic technician, then became the proprietor of Merlin Pottery.
In an article posted on Ulster Happening, an online magazine, the potter referred to himself as William Merlin, saying he borrowed the name from a grandfather, and described the ancient “salt fired” technique that he favored. “We have a rich heritage of magic in our bloodline,” he said. “We have always worked hard and overcome great odds and the work I make is surely a historic landmark of human perseverance and resilience.”
The shooting occurred during the holiday of Sukkot, one of the busiest weeks of the year in Eilat.
Guests at the hotel described the mayhem. “I was sitting in the lobby and reading a newspaper,” one guest, Eli Zmor, told Maariv, a daily newspaper in Israel. “I heard screaming, and I saw someone jump on the security guard. I saw him take the security guard’s gun and start shooting all over.”
Another guest, Nissim Rubin, said he tried to stop the gunman. “I went out, jumped on the assailant and we both fell to the floor,” he said, according to Maariv’s Web site. When the shooting started, Mr. Rubin added, “panic erupted and people took cover beneath the tables.”
Once the guests were told that it was safe to come out of their rooms, people emerged “happy, clapping,” another guest, Michal Bouaron, told Israel’s Channel 2.
“We won’t let this ruin our day and our vacation,” she added.
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Seems it hardly ruined anyone’s day!
Sorry that is not the avatar which should be showing,it’s obviously tied to the email address I’ve used. 🙁
I’m using a proxy server.
JON, can you delete that comment please.
I got in following this advice on Icke if anyone wants topass to friend.
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The site hasn’t been taken down, but it’s dns entries are wacko’d out
http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?…gmurray.org.uk
Lookup failed after 2 name servers timed out or responded non-authoritatively
if you run nslookup and use google’s dns servers
nslookup – 8.8.8.8
and enter http://www.craigmurray.org.uk
you get an ip address that is supposedly based in the netherlands (thought lots of NL IP addresses moved very far afield a few years ago – porn sites don’t like to be found)
and that gives
94.124.88.232
that is reachable, so simple step, edit your hosts file (google how to do this for your machine) and add the entry
94.124.88.232 http://www.craigmurray.org.uk
and you’re up and running.
It’s not browsers or blocked, it’s someone has been fking with the dns entries.
Whoops I posted how I got in following instructions on Icke but it has been held for moderation instructions are on
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221659&page=77
post #1534 if anyone wants to pass on to a friend.
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How come a handful of us have been able to get onto the site ok (without proxies or amending hosts files)?
I don’t know Dopey I haven’t been able to access all day untill those instructions got posted also marilynztomlins went down the same it was working and then gone on refresh to the same error but that one got up again quickly.
Well a mod’s just deleted Katie’s post, so hopefully are aware and are getting the problem sorted.