The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
https://www.thalesgroup.com/fr/worldwide/aeronautique/press-release/thales-offre-des-moyens-de-formation-helicoptere-colocalises
The 38-minute car ride from the Albertville Aerodrome would be considerable shorter by air, in a helicopter that can fly directly through mountain passes. It shows as two hours, 17 minutes by bicycle to cover the same route, and Google uses a different path for bicycles than cars.
MN
i did a pretty good review regarding the Kurdish Havutcu clan and their brothers names of Faverges.
The french couple (a guy and a girl) who had a did both beat them up in a fight in the pizzeria were both members of the ski club of Doussard but their names are unknown. After having been in that fight in the pizzeria and beaten up the Havutcu brothers there, they left and joint the ball of the ski club of doussard in july 2012. At about midnight, the Kurds showed up at the ball in doussard together with several kurdish friends and waited for that couple outside for them leaving that party and in in a “vendetta” ( words used by the judge) they did beat up the guy and the girl with baseball sticks and heavily injured both of them.
http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-savoie/2014/04/18/l-arme-du-crime-repechee-dans-l-isere
Yes what is the name of the Gypsie Carpenter who shot dead Nicole Communal-Tournier?
http://www.ledauphine.com/hautes-alpes/2013/10/26/samu-le-nouveau-dispositif-aerien-fait-tiquer-le-saf
I suppose we could google Gypsie-Carpenter-Doussard and see what comes up?
http://www.gypsycarpenters.com/
good heavens
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/haute-savoie-le-chasseur-meurtrier-presume-s-est-suicide-en-prison-12-10-2014-4207483.php
The prosecution Albertville and prison officials have launched an investigation to determine the circumstances of the suicide.
How shocking
It’s hard to keep up with all the gyspy-carpenter-suicides, or whatever, in the French Alps. They’re dropping like flies. Who would have known that of all the occupations, being a carpenter is the most dangerous one: not a firefighter, police officer, mountain climber, ski guide, factory worker or pilot.
Bringing forward Bluebird’s work:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis/comment-page-94/
About Cluses:
http://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/alpes/2014/09/11/un-automobiliste-reste-coince-10-heures-dans-un-ravin-549118.html
http://www.newslocker.com/fr-fr/region/cluses/un-jeune-homme-de-19-ans-retrouv-mort-taninges-francetv-info/
http://www.latribunerepublicaine.fr/Actualite/Fil_Infos_regionales/article_1426661.shtml
Something to consider:
Just about a week before the Chevaline murders, French police officers cleared a group of travellers from an encampment in Lyon.
I posted a link from a British article about travellers in Iraq. Many of them had left their traditional places and moved into homes in the cities. Remember how Saad al-Hilli returned to his family’s home in Iraq to find it occupied? Remember descriptions of an assault on him? Remember the vague references about how he had gotten help to deal with the situation? It was vague about what was done, and who did it.
No problem here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcdE_SFlw5E
No problem here, either:
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/societe/20090115.OBS9814/troisieme-suicide-en-un-mois-a-la-prison-d-aiton.html
http://www.rue89lyon.fr/2013/10/23/protestation-prisonniers-prison-aiton-savoie/
The razor wire on the fences is purely ornamental.
Posting for possible reference, due to names:
http://lci.tf1.fr/france/2005-12/prison-aiton-evades-courent-toujours-4860781.html
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2009/01/15/prisons-quatorze-jours-treize-suicides_1142110_3224.html
http://www.forum-pompier.com/sujet36351.html
http://www.leprogres.fr/social/2012/05/10/manifestation-de-surveillants-devant-la-prison-d-aiton-en-savoie
No problems? Nothing but problems.
The “Battle of Haute Savoie”, etc.:
http://www.depechestsiganes.fr/grand-passages-haute-savoie-terre-de-contrastes/
http://www.depechestsiganes.fr/grands-passages-lexemple-de-la-haute-savoie/
http://www.depechestsiganes.fr/haute-savoie-duriffifi-autour-des-grands-passages-explications/
Lots of swear words, and a comparison of Jura residents to “old-school Celtic hillbillies” from a blogger:
http://akinokure.blogspot.ca/2013/10/french-highlanders-expel-gypsy-family.html
From 2001:
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/30000-french-gypsies-gather-to-celebrate-jesus-as-riot-police-look-on-26077524.html
“Elsewhere, relations between communities are frequently under severe strain. In Thonon, a genteel spa town on Lake Geneva, diggers have built an earth wall to stop travellers camping in the commercial zone.
In nearby Ville-la-Grande, a mayor was punched in the face when he tried to stop caravans parking in the town. Attitudes of urbanites have hardened as a result of an influx of eastern European travellers who are often accused of criminal activity.
“Pierre Herisson, a senator from the department of Haute-Savoie on the Swiss border, where tensions are particularly high, recently demanded action from the interior ministry.
”
“This amounts to a real social threat and we’re not going to accept it,” he said.”
http://genevalunch.com/2012/09/26/police-break-up-traveling-peoples-camp-in-thonon/
September 2012 saw conflicts in Thonon. “Global solution” proposed by a local councillor. A helicopter was involved.
More from idyllic Thonon:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2014/09/11/suspected-french-jihad-recruiter-arrested-paris/IASGRoy5Rw5EJN4zzS3TRO/story.html
Django Reinhardt spent time in Thonon during WWII. More trivia for you.
http://www.lemessager.fr/Actualite/Chablais/2013/09/08/article_django_reinhardt_refugie_a_thonon_a_l_au.shtml#.VDr2xtXF8Zg
In this piece in The Daily Mail in which they quote Eric Maillaud the Annecy Prosecuter,
it is still being said that he was first shot with a shotgun in the chest, then finished of with a bullet in the head.
So either two shooters or a complicated weapon or two separate weapons.
Or deliberate muddying of the waters by our Eric.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790143/hunter-held-connection-gun-murder-french-builder-50-miles-three-britons-shot-dead-dead.html
Turkey has agreed to let the coalition of the willing use Incerlik,
which is jolly good of them as essentially it was built by the U.S.A. & is a U.S.A. Airbase.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29591916
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incirlik_Air_Base
If you go on google earth all you can see ( apart from the masses of hardened bunkers)
is two four engined aircraft and a different four engined aircraft, no doubt at least one of them will be a re-fueler but no helecopters or is all the sophisticated stuff underground?
Operation Brick-Tracker
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2014/10/11/investigation-into-missing-iraqi-cash-went-cold-lebanon-bunker/B6vNVJRA9SZkmVi7Q543nK/story.html?p1=Article_InThisSection_Bottom
billions of dollars go “missing”
EBOLA
“Czech police and hazmat suit-wearing doctors have seized a traveller from Ghana
at Prague’s main railway station. The man, suspected of suffering from the Ebola virus,
was wrapped in black plastic by the authorities and taken away.
The police dispatched some 15 officers from the capital’s rapid response squad to cordon off the station’s lobby”
http://rt.com/news/195452-ebola-scare-prague-railway/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/world/investigation-into-missing-iraqi-cash-ended-in-lebanon-bunker.html?_r=1
It looks like the accused killer who “suicided” in Aiton Prison may be related to one of the men from Glières — Maquis?
http://books.google.ca/books?id=o1-ArK3IsosC&pg=PA268&lpg=PA268&dq=Jean-Francois+Cottet-Dumoulin&source=bl&ots=vrvGJg9E9F&sig=fH8861_giLfTkcDagcWfM1ZEstc
See page 268. Family names are handed down, especially among old farm families. Traditions are strong. You don’t suppose the descendants know where the leftover antique weapons were stored by the Maquis des Glières?
More on page 50 here:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=PcBOLyDf34cC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=Jean-Francois+Cottet-Dumoulin&source=bl&ots=72UA9StqY7&sig=EsJzJ2j9_gH5j5Si7FWNSzkAe8I
If you look around the Haute-Savoie, there are quite a number of Cottet Dumoulin names in menuiserie. There are musicians, and there is a Cottet Dumoulin with Griffon hunting dogs. FWIW.
Another Cottet Dumoulin accused of attempted murder, from another time:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=Efa-3aM2RjEC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=cottet+dumoulin+maquis+des+glieres&source=bl&ots=pwSetNyffM&sig=4U3PU9tyaPbhzgfKj0szdGWNJXQ
See p. 95.