The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Ferret, you can get a stun gun online even on ebay. Yes i know, they dont ship to the uk, etc etc. We all know how to solve such “problems” easily.
http://www.smartstun.com/BestSellingStunGuns
http://www.defenseproducts101.com/tasers_introduction.html
@ katie
Apparently there are only two ways to get a Stun gun, military or the police, so where did AH get his , or was it planted ?
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I think you can order them online. Jermaine Jackson’s kids ordered one online …to zap Michael’s kids with.
Ferret. What could DP mean? Shortage for a name? I mean DP al hilli. Probably english natives might have a clue?
Ferret..
And you know as well as I, Nuke smugglers get arrested…not shot.
And robberies for a million…tend not to be in carparks in forests..in France..etc…etc…etc.
Someones MO is actually all over this.
Yup, sure is.
And they don’t use .22 pea-shooters either!
😀
And yes, robbery would be quite peculiar, esp as no one followed them up the track, and even if had they would have left them for 45 mins undisturbed, until Mollier got (or almost got) there… that would be the world’s dumbest set of robbers…
Ada D. P. Al Hilli. “DP” are her middle initials.
@Jon
Did you really ban Anders?
Agree…and lets face.
I never followed my postman to my door.
I already knew where he was going to.
Carjacker…! Yeah. Carjacker. That’s the one.
But that would never stick !
Guess they got stuck.
Well actually not. It was a stroke of genius / luck !
Dopey, again I was quoting the BBC chap about the availability of Sten guns.
Very interesting to see it demonstrated….. it was bright yellow & looked like a toy !
Cryptic as ever, James!
🙂
Yep.
This place is toooo damn public mucker !
Ferret
Cryptic as ever, James!
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After your earlier teasing post you can talk :-p
Ferret…
Did you know, ambulances don’t have to stop at red lights when flashing there blues and twos !
My first is in black but not in blue
My second is in green but not in grey
My third is ….
If it’s cryptic night I’m in.
After your earlier teasing post you can talk :-p
Yeah sorry Dopey.
🙁
Still, I think I gave enough clues that someone like you who’s been around since the year dot could pick up my meaning, without giving it away to a casual observer… certainly hope so…
Ferret!
I’m not THAT old! I’ll brace myself and go back and read Friday’s posts. Is the clue(s) before or after you left the thread that day?
@Dopey
If it’s cryptic night I’m in.
Sounds like someone who votes.
PS. “since the year dot” = from when I joined thread 1… seems like an age ago now… as far as I recall you were already there on thread 1 when I started joining in… no implications about you age!!
🙂
I “think” I’ve cottoned on now to what you mean Ferret. I think…
@Ferret @Katie @Dopey
Relatives: The Guardian got there first…I mentioned this some time back..
Electoral roll records show an extended family of eight living at the family home in Claygate, Surrey – all with the surname al-Hilli. Fast work by David Kelly specialist, Vikram Dodd. Those would necessarily all be adults.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/07/annecy-murders-french-alps-baghdad
There is another Saad M A al hilli in the greater london area. Or else it is the same one but he was already married before to a spouse called “Pronk” … That is her girlname. I must do some more research on ancestry.com
@Dopey
Great…
By the way, I’ve been planning a trip recently for the end of the month, and while doing so I realised that Nov 5th is just around the corner, which was really exciting.
I always love Guy Fawkes’ night so much, what with all the bangs and sparkles…
… anyway, I’d better turn in soon as I have an early start tomorrow, x-rays at the dentist’s, worst luck.
🙁
Ferret
You mean a false flag terror operation in greater london?
Is our saad the good or the bad guy? Whistleblower or organiser?
Hey Bluebird
You mean a false flag terror operation in greater london?
Not as far as I know.
Is our saad the good or the bad guy?
Yeah, he’s the good guy… but only if you’re Iranian, or LaRouche…
Whistleblower or organiser?
Perhaps more… the “genius”?
“Apparently there are only two ways to get a Stun gun, military or the police”
Or off the internet for a tenner:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2012/08/05/stun-gun-shocker-as-500-million-volt-weapons-on-sale-for-tenner-91466-31542994/
@Bluebird
the Pronk Al-Hilli was dismissed some time back. Now in the Netherlands.
@Katie
Another FB coincidence – an general arabic tribute on the RIP SAH page was liked by a Pharmacy (not another!) student in the next-door suburb to Tumba (Granny) of Tullinge, called Hasan Ahmad Al-Saffar
How come Mr Oddman came to be in the media (Telegraph Sept 16} so quickly? FB? Is the connection there autos??
{http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2203934/Did-gunman-trail-Alps-massacre-victims-way-home-Britain.html?ITO=1490}
Some more part of comments from the poster that early linked al-Hilli to Elekta. When asked for a source for that al-Hilli had bodyguard, the answer was just: http://www.thesurreysecurity.co.uk/
“Al-Hilli had requested not to have bodyguards while on holiday in France. He had lived with the protection of himself and his family for a time in England and thought it was hard.
English authorities agreed to this, but they placed RAF man discreetly in the background, possibly without Al-Hilli knew about it.”
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“Regarding the closure of the entire block around his house in England because of the bomb, I think it is fake by the authorities. One way of them gaining access to neighbors’ houses to find documents”
@Thomas
The firm Surrey Security Service Ltd leaves no companies house trace.
http://www.thesurreysecurity.co.uk/leaflet%20SSS%20Ltd..pdf
which is a business of no importance. Sole owner Abdul Waheed, 10 Beaufort Close, Maybury, Woking GU22 8DA, ex- 137 Princess Road Gu22 7ER
In other words, the company doesn’t seem to exist.
@Thomas
Correction – Sorry no it does exist, here it is
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/surrey-security-service
but registered at the Princess Road address:
Company Registration No.: 06711429
The sole directorship seems to oscillate between Abdul Waheed and MUHAMMAD BABAR BILAL KHAN variously of 17 Walton Court Woking GU21 5EB – LONDON COLLEGE OF ACCOUNTANCY & TECHNOLOGY LIMITED (dissolved) and Suite 1-A Cranbrook House
61 Cranbrook Road Ilford IG1 4PG LONDON UK COMMERCE COLLEGE LIMITED (set up by Barbara Kahan, a name which recurs through Peter Eyre’s blog)
SS also showing at 25 Kent Road, Woking GU22 8DB where AW appears also on 192.com.
Has anyone mentioned that small numbers of the Walther PP 7.65mm pistol are thought to remain in service with the UK Royal Air Force, as personal protection weapons for fast jet aircrews?