The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
CD.
The Al-Hillis and Mollier also died for real.
I am 100% that Frederic Brun was killed. The accident is as fake as it could be for making it look like as if it were an accident.
@Peter
For the last 2 years, Frederic Brun was working in the Tricastin nuclear power plant. That is just an hour driving distance from Ugine.
Here is how the prematurally deceased Fréderic look like — see my avatar at the left.
BB earlier you say However, mollier and brun were both in the same political commitee in ugine.
I believe that is a different Monsieur Mollier (perhaps one with a close relative called Roger).
In a matter as serious as this you should not assume and assert as fact that a person with the same name is the same person.
CD, that matter you noted here was already corrected approximately 2 hours ago.
@Peter
Why are you trying to make this strange car accident seem so normal? If the car is tumbling, how does it come to be neatly parked facing down the slope? (DL reported it only rolled (not somersaulted) 30 metres off the road to come to rest against the trees)
Still waiting for the link to the expanded photo showing wheels.
@Ferret, Dopey et al.
Not sure it this came up in earlier threads – wondered why the Registered Address of SHTech Ltd was changed (to Maison Stedman) only on 26 March 2012? Firm in existence since 2001. The replacement of Zaid by Ikbal occurred over a year previously in Jan 2011. What was the previous registered address(es)??
If you’re tuning it, Julian…
What a difference a few days make, and when you add it up, it comes out to this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213982/Did-Iran-spy-French-Alps-murder-victims-satellite-firm.html
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/334279
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10/08/mysterious-drone-flight-shows-israel-is-vulnerable-iran-military-official-says-amid-suspicion-drone-shot-down-by-israel-was-iranian/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident
Taking a look back at this story, the “guise of a vacation” stands out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali-Reza_Asgari
It’s hard not to ignore the similarities with the al-Hilli story, and many of the angles thoughtfully discussed on this forum.
What was in the “bike rack”? Maps? Cash? Etc.?
Felix,
Have a look thru this search for Raymond Broussoud’s photos.
Do you see anything striking?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=10&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=643&q=raymond.brassoud%40coral.fr&oq=raymond.brassoud%40coral.fr&gs_l=img.12…2443.2443.0.4210.1.1.0.0.0.0.59.59.1.1.0…0.0…1ac.2.DpKKRqLN1m0#hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=%22raymond+brassoud%22&oq=%22raymond+brassoud%22&gs_l=img.12…19943.21218.0.23047.2.2.0.0.0.0.61.110.2.2.0…0.0…1c.1.Nqsfa1tJoGk&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=b0b6d165ee93bcf8&biw=1366&bih=643
[https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=10&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=643&q=raymond.brassoud%40coral.fr&oq=raymond.brassoud%40coral.fr&gs_l=img.12…2443.2443.0.4210.1.1.0.0.0.0.59.59.1.1.0…0.0…1ac.2.DpKKRqLN1m0#hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=%22raymond+brassoud%22&oq=%22raymond+brassoud%22&gs_l=img.12…19943.21218.0.23047.2.2.0.0.0.0.61.110.2.2.0…0.0…1c.1.Nqsfa1tJoGk&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=b0b6d165ee93bcf8&biw=1366&bih=643]
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Note:: My avatar at the left depics the prematurally deceased (age 35) Frederic Brun, who died on the 30th of September 2012 when his Pajero 4 x 4 fell down a precipice near Ugine, Savoie.
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Note:: My avatar at the left depicts the prematurally deceased (age 35) Frédéric BRUN (AREVA) , who died on the 30th of September 2012 when his Pajero 4 x 4 fell down a precipice near Ugine, Savoie.
Bernard Brun, son papa; Catherine Boscardin et Daniel David, sa maman et son compagnon; Aurore et Martial Cusin-Mermet, sa sœur et son beau-frère; Jordan, son frère; Amély et Tiphaine, ses nièces adorées; Marguerite Brun, sa grand-mère; ses oncles et tantes; cousins, cousines et Marie ont l’immense chagrin de vous faire part du décès accidentel de Frédéric BRUN dit “brindille” à l’âge de 35 ans. La cérémonie religieuse aura lieu le mecredi 3 octobre 2012, à quatorze heures trente, en l’église Saint-Laurent d’Ugine, suivie de la crémation dans l’intimité familiale. Ni fleurs, ni plaques. La famille ne reçoit pas les condoléances. Elle rappelle à votre souvenir CHRISTIANE la compagne de Bernard, décédée en 2011.
Kennth,
your picture shows a different Frederic Brun. Yours is the environment expert Frederic Brun from “Saint Paul Troix Chateau” who is 37 years old and who is working in Tricastine, the Areva nuclear power plant.
The other Frederic Brun who is 35 years old is working for Alstom/Areva in Belfort (near Mulhouse). Their difference can be seen in their biography and where they studied.
That’s apparently the wrong guy:
http://copainsdavant.linternaute.com/membre/411689/6492120624/frederic_brun/
That’s apparently the correct guy:
http://fr.linkedin.com/pub/fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric-brun/11/142/10
@Jon / Mod
Can you have a quiet word with “Ken”.
I am finding his approach rather sick.
And I’m sure others on here are also finding his behaviour odd.
Or maybe he was hiding behind his cover as a music software engineer and secretly developing a sonic ray gun – the plans for which he was going to pass on to ….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arturia
L’autre Frédéric Brun who works at Areva as an environmental scientist…
Frédéric Brun – Je suis marié, j’ai 2 enfants, j’habite à Saint Paul Trois Chateaux, un petit village de la Drôme, et je travaille à Pierrelatte. Ma profession – ingénieur environnement.
@Q
“What was in the “bike rack”? Maps? Cash? Etc.?”
They took that…them there carjacking folk !
@Bluebird
You can delete all your “blind alleys” for plenty of good reasons other than Brun’s death, which could be coincidental or just the wrong Frederic Brun. I outlined some of the reasons above…
James, you are the epitomisation of normality, that’s what I’ve always said. Amen!
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Note:: My avatar at the left depicts the prematurally deceased (age 35) Frédéric BRUN (AREVA) , who died on the 30th of September 2012 when his Pajero 4 x 4 fell down a precipice near Ugine, Savoie.
Ken…
In reply, Thank God I am !
@KS – That is a different person – with the same name but aged 37 whose picture you are using, distastefully, as your avatar.
Could I ask you and BB to properly research what you are writing and not to jump to conclusions which are hugely disrespectful to both the living and the dead.
Ferret.
Did you note the accountants on those companies ?
Ferret and CD,
I am not after the wrong Frederic Brown.
Kenneth picked a wrong one and I must admit that it is confusing because both Frederic Brun are working for Areva.
There are two different ones as I had outlined above. The wrong one is the one working as an environmental engineer at Tricastine while the apparently correct one is working at Alstom/Areva in Belfort. I did point that out above, however, my post was awaiting moderation at that time due to the links I posted.
@James @Bluebird
HO LI SHI ITE!!!!
Fury creature !
I take it you saw both (actually three !) ?
As you know (by now) I am never posting in the evenings. So the judgment is out (for my part) whether there are two (2) Frédéric BRUN ‘s working for Areva – one 35 years and the other 37. DOH!. Highly unlikely if you ask me, but as I said, the jury is out, and I will have a look at it tomorrow.
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Note:: My avatar at the left depicts the prematurally deceased (age 35) Frédéric BRUN (AREVA) , who died on the 30th of September 2012 when his Pajero 4 x 4 fell down a precipice near Ugine, Savoie.
Fury creature !
If you have seen that…be my guest, post away.
Because I am not.
You talked of the “M.O.” before ? Well, there you go.
I meant that seriously… excellent work both James and Bluebird, truly headline news in this case.
🙂
Ferret…
To be perfectly fair…you can leave my name out of it.
One comment tho. What’s the chance of that ???
You have seen “all three” ?
@James
I only found one… clues to the other two?
And…or rather AND !
The “news” didn’t pick up on that ? They’re the “pro’s” aren’t they ?