The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Come back down to earth James. I did not say this was anything to do with his death !
I simply answered a question as to why he may have a stun gun.
Getting back for a moment to the issue of medical devices, beamlines, etc. Even those can be harmful if using improper software for calibrations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25
Imagine a BIG swan…with a hat on…and he would cover the sun !
…and carry a big ray gun !
Katie…you pic that flashed up once was great…so I’ll humour you, but come on ! Be real.
No you didn’t Katie…
You said may be he was studying how a taser worked !
And then you said, you know how a “laser beam” could bring down a “747” !
Your point, leaves me perplexed.
Linking the name of Frédéric Brun with this accident was nothing but an inspired guess on my part, arrived at by trawling through local death notices. Those death notices list him as F. B. de Ugine. His partner lives in Ugine. There is nothing whatsoever to tie him to another of the many other Frédéric Bruns in France.
@ Bluebird
The onus is upon you to provide some evidence as to how a 35-year-old from Ugine (i. e., born in 1977) could have graduated from the elite EPO first, then commenced a postgraduate degree at the Ecole nationale des Ponts et Chaussées at the age of 20, then enjoyed a successful career at Arcelor & Alstom. Good luck 😉
James, my comment seems to have disappeared.
I said, no where have I implied this stun gun is anything to do with his death, I simply answered a question as to a vague possibility as to why he ‘could’ have one, nothing more.
Ah no I can see what happened now.
James. please stop splitting hairs.
More on the medical device that became a lethal weapon:
http://www.ccnr.org/fatal_dose.html
Lachlan Cranswick, based at AECL Chalk River beginning in 2003, was known for sharing his software with developing countries.
SAH may well have been studying Tasers, if the one reportedly found in his home was not for personal use. He was a mechanical engineer, wasn’t he?
@Katie
“..I simply answered a question as to a vague possibility as to why”
Yep !
Key words are.
“I simply answered a question” rather than had any knowledge of.
” as to a vague possibility” yep, twas vague and a “possibility” !
And “why” ”
One statement…spot on.
@Peter: The type of vehicle: a dark Pajero. How convenient, in any case.
James, my last word on this.
Maybe you don’t keep up with the UK news ?
At least twice that I know of, pilots have complained about having a laser beam shone into their cockpit when a making their approach for landing at Heathrow ?
The rest is left to you & your imagination.
Katie,
You’re right. I don’t keep my eye on the UK “news”.
Mainly on the VASI or ILS !
Yes Q, he was a man of many talents, a mind like that must be curious, a concerted effort to bring down planes at a number of international airports, could do more damage than 9/11.
I could go further & use the false flag scenario.
@ Q The type of vehicle: a dark Pajero. How convenient, in any case.
Yes, it *is* an odd coincidence, no doubt about it. I wish we had somebody here who could check french vehicle registration numbers: BW-216-FM. I have tried to search that number plate on public sites, but came up with nothing.
The Taser reportedly found at SAH’s home could have been there legitimately and legally, for work-related research, supplied by a manufacturer that had hired him on contract to correct flaws and redesign equipment. If there was one.
The fields of metallurgy and mechanical engineering do overlap considerably, as does the kind of work done by the late Lachlan Cranswick, who used beamlines to study materials, including a space shuttle.
Laser pointers can do what you describe, Katie. That kind of thing is happening worldwide.
@Katie
Al Hilli. Taser. Crashing jumbo jets.
Brilliant.
@Dave
A James Bond style death ray with which to take over the world.
Brilliant.
@Peter
Easy to explain. When he was born in 1977 (or 1976 or even 1978) he was 20 or 21 when he went to École nationale des ponts et chaussées in Paris and studied for 4 or 5 years until he was finished. It is quite usual to begin studying at an university at the age of 20/21. I started at the age of 19, however, I didn’t make my mandatory selective service (military) before. Usually those services are done before you go to the university. He definitely made his selective service (military) at EPO (that’s possible since EPO is under governance of the French military). Since there is no time given when he was there it is obvious that he stayed for during his less than 1 year military duty time only.
With the age of 19 he was therefore approx. 1 year at EPO (military) and after that time he was studying 4 or 5 years at École nationale des ponts et chaussées. Nothing being unusual and fitting quite well to his age and DOB.
Where did you read that Daniel David was living in Ugine? Btw., I could work in a distance of 300 kilometers from Ugine and stay at home in Ugine during the weekends only. That isn’t unusual, even not unusual for married people. I guess that hundredthousands men and women are living somewhere else than at home during the week due to their jobs.
@Bluebird
Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were 100% sure as you’d said “this is the right one” in a previous post.
@Q
Stop it !
A laser pointer can not bring down a bloody plane.
A helicopter…with there screens, in hover, maybe….
..a plane, it can’t. You are just being stupid.
OK…lets play this odd unreal game.
Where will this laser beam be ?
I’m in finals…and you are where ?
@peter
http://www.infoplaque.com/
However, that information costs 2 Euros. They don’t give it away for free.
@ Bluebird
Ooookay … I found some links of a heavily made-up F. B. and others tying him to a shoestore in Ugine. I guess one of us will have to call Alstom tomorrow and ask to be put through to *your* F. B.
I take it that you are volunteering, since you have put that particular person into play?
Thank-you Q, yes I know it is, pilots have said how they’ve been temporarily blinded at a crucial time.
Peter,
BW-216-FM must have had its first admission in October 2011. OK, it is a new car, but does not help a lot. The SIV system does not tell us from what departement that car comes from. However, on the right side of the plate there is a number and a logo of the departement. Left side is the EU logo and “F”, then follows the number and then on the right side should be a number of the departement and the logo of the departement. Hope this will help a bit.
Bluebird, French numbers changed in 2009, no longer do we have the department number on the plate.
Just a bit of family background – The brother-in-law of the dead man in the Pajero is a carpenter –
{Menuisier Cusin-Mermet Martial
{[email protected]}
85 chem de Bavelin ZI
73400 UGINE
Where on earth did the gay idea come in? The mother has a new partner. The father’s female partner Christiane died last year.
Mother: Catherine Boscardin – b 1953; her brother Marcel worked at Ugitech 1969-2009
[Bernard Brun b. 25 June 1946. First Vice President Chasseurs de Savoie. Region Chambery. retired teacher. father???]
katie, yes they have the department number on the plate in France and in many other european countries, too. Since 2009 the dep. number isn’t part of the number in the middle (e.g. BW or FM or 123 means nothing). However, on the right side of the plate there is a logo of the departement plus a 2 digits number of the department below theat logo.
The digits and letters in the middle of the plate just tells us that the car is a pretty new car and that it had its legal admission in October 2011.
I wonder if “this” is the closing down of a network ?
As in, just studying the previous 12 months in Iran, there must have been a network to allow this to happen.
After it has, then the network is closed down.
With the help of the “go to” people ?
I don’t believe this was a “Mossad” hit. Nor do I think it was an “Iranian” hit. (neither work in this way).
But it could be others at work (some here may see).
It maybe be that ?
katie and peter,
that plate in that link below is for instance from the Departement “Haute Savoie” (= number 74) and the logo is seen above that “74” departement number. (four red dots in the corners of a white square)
http://plaque.free.fr/eur/f/a1_NORMAL_SIV/_ANOM/_ADDIT_LOGOS/F_2009-SIV_Dept74_Yaute.jpg
@ Bluebird
Will you, or will you not, call *your* F. B. at Alstom tomorrow, in order to settle this thing one way or another?