The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Good grief James, you are a drama queen !
James,
“Kill the killers, amen”.
Worked well after the J.F. Kennedy assassination as well as in many other assassinations that had been important for the future of our world. “Kill the killers” always means: Deleting any kind of possible whistleblowers in advance.
@James
A theory:
Approaching middle age SAH begins to define his loyalties emanating from hie roots:
Iraq, Shia Islam. He is sympathetic to the cause of Hezbollah, perceiving the unjust treatment of Palistinians and the failures of western allies in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He becomes radicalised but is persuaded not to adopt outward signs in order to assist “brothers” from Iran – contacts from Dubai.
Possibly a number of shipments of illegal material are made via SM, who is able to spirit goods from the factory. SAH is effectively the “middle man”
Things go wrong when SAH’s Iranian friends call him in to discuss problems with the covert supplies. Potentially there could have been some accident or other back in Quom. They suspect a doublecross by SM and request SAH meet with him to find out what has been going on. (remember they have no direct access to SM)
SAH rushes to France to meet up with his Iranian contacts – there are fraught meetings, accusations. A meeting with SM is set up. SAH goes to meet SM in the woods, taking the family along, using them to provide cover effectively. SAH presumes that there is no danger whatever; just another covert meeting to plan future transactions. However, the Iranians are not happy with SAH’s story and have decided that SM and SAH are probably in cahoots.
Arriving at the meeting point the older girl steps out of the car so that SM can take the front seat, placing his cap on the dashboard. Without warning, the Iranians arrive and panic ensues. SM makes a dash for his bike hoping to disappear down one of the narrow paths in the wood. SAH wildly attempts to get the car turned in order to escape. SM is stopped with a burst of gunfire by one operative, another begins to eliminate the car driver and passengers. In the melee the older girl is wounded, falls down. As they leave SM receives two final shots.
Message to the enemy: “Mess with us at your peril”.
Soon after WBM arrives and events unfold probably much as his story. Possibly he was keeping an eye on SM but events took over on a scale neither expected.
When the story first broke the report from the BBC, and everyone else spoke of a “British” family. A “British” car, “British” this and “British” that… You would think that the propaganda boys would be smart enough to avoid the discredited BBC propaganda channel.
Its only after, when it transpires that they are Iraqis with “British” passports of convenience that the story starts to crystallise.
The WBM story is recorded at Legoland or somewhere and heavily edited. After the WBM interview we hear no more – Beeb just repeats the same stories as everyone else – job done.
However:
It is quite likeley that WBM and SM really were (and will probably stay) the unsung heroes of the affair. SM in particular may have carried out a dangerous mission which can never be revealed. Even when the Iranians succeed in acquiring non-sabotaged goods, they won’t really know. The “unknown” is their nightmare.
We live in a world of grey fog.
Katie…
When you actually DO any research, then and only then can you comment.
As your research consists mainly of “do you think he was making a ray gun” I won’t ever take one thing you say seriously.
@NR: Yes, the name of Frank Giustra does come up here:
http://www.abeldanger.net/2012/08/abel-danger-mischief-makers-mistress-of_2.html
Back in 2010 (the year of the vanishing of Lachlan Cranswick, who worked for the NRC at AECL Chalk River), Areva was interested in buying Atomic Energy Canada Limited’s reactor business:
http://www.eurekablog.ca/?p=879
Alas, they lost out to SNC Lavalin, who bought the company for $15M, with up to $75M in government subsidies to help them build a reactor.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2011/06/29/aecl-sale.html
@ James: I’m sure one of those company names will ring a bell in connection to Libya.
You see, Mr Mollier that say was “off”.
Some say three years, some say three months.
But the child was only born in June. Three years off !
Yes he had other children, work must have been very understanding if they let him have leave for the first two…only for him to meet another girl and get her “up the duff”.
So…and this is a leap…I think that you know who was working AND that is why he is based in France…and at that location.
“that” should be “they”.
What’s your name?
Mr martin
You were there?
I was there , and i was not there
U were wot?!
James, how do you know I’ve done no research ?
When did I say anyone was making a ray gun ? You really are a fantasist.
I cracked this a week ago & have written it elsewhere, but it’s great seeing you dancing around blindly chasing your tail.
I think this is now quite straight forward.
It is not Mossard = too clumsy +
It is not terrorism in the normal sense = they would have claimed it.
It is not the French state = why would it be ?
It is Cezus +………
Once you eliminate those things the answer is staring you in the face……….look more closely at Bluebirds postings…..and information I’ve posted days ago.
The three other bodies found in Lake Annecy story:
http://www.channel4.com/news/four-bodies-found-in-french-lake-search-for-one-victim
Do we need to consider time-machines as something Saad can use?
Once upon a time,
A tale was told
Of/about
A brit state assassination in france
But
They got away with it
(Much to french state embarrasment)
Because …
@Ferret 11.50am
H&M looks quite genuine – look at that GBP 6.5m turnover…also has a branch offshore in Gib
http://www.hmsecurityservices.gi/
Wouldn’t fit in at all well at no 55.
@ bluebird
You said Princes Gate was an acre… and had hundreds of houses built on it.
So if the area measures 0.35km, it is clearly larger than an acre. 1 acre = 0.0040468564224 square kilometres – about the size of a footie pitch.
Regardless yes, it’s off topic, and neither here nor there.
James, you are probably afraid of that Blackwater Firm in 55 Princes Gate and director Gary Jackson? They actually seek for more publicity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Security_Consulting
dopey
“acre = land, field”. I didn’t mean the “4047 square meters”.
way off topic, I know. That happens when different civilisations and different languages are talking to each other 🙂
🙂 understood bluebird x
There is a list of all private security/military companies world wide:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/pmc-list.htm
Re: http://www.shadowcompanythemovie.com/about_featured3.html
I don’t suppose it is relevant that Lachlan Cranswick had family ties to Rhodesia, and had distant relatives still living in Zimbabwe? Nah.
And old links to the RAF via Pathfinder Cranswick? Nah.
Bluebird.
No, it’s U.K. And the compamy isn’t reg’d there.
It doesn’t matter waht there name is, what is important is how the contractor may work and be paid.
Therefore the link to that NZ leaf company.
The names are not important at all.
And Katie
“James, imagine a stun gun on a grand scale, what a brilliant terrorist tool”.
I quote..unquote ! A big stun gun ! What, the size of a house !
Just to be clear Katie, there have been “numerous” nuke smugglers….and all, when caught are put on trial…not shot in their car.
Therefore, as you correctly state, this isn’t “Blue” striking. It is most likely “Red”. (but you have to provide PROOF of those links).
Then again, you’ve already solved this and posted that elsewhere !
Crackers !
@James
Please don’t get tangled up again this evening with Katie!
Loads of posts back and forth between you and her will only wind you up, and dilute the thread.
Katie is best ignored, I would say. And to me, clearly nuts. Very little research as you say, wild speculation, wild pronouncements (or incredibly dim ones) to get people going, and probably not even a real person to boot…
So… not worth getting tangled up with really.
Those who have eyes to see will see through her rather quickly.
@BLUEBIRD
& if ‘listed’ they are u.$. @ ‘security’
Nest pas?!
@Bluebird: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Strong
Oil for food background.
@Phil T
A brit state assassination in france
Didn’t someone post on here a while back that they’d heard that britspooks like to do their dirty work in France?
Like the case of Sir Jack Drummond & family?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2007/may/19/features.foodanddrink
@Ferret, Agreed.
@Bluebird.
They’re not on that list. But the name is not important.
*But if you take a ganders and use LinkedIn, you can find it).
The point is that place “seems” to be an accountancy that is quite specialised.
So if you have a chalet for let….and you live in Brighton say, why go there ? You like London air ? Good parking ? He has a nice girl who works on reception ?
Auchi search results
“In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed information about 1 result(s) appearing on this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org.”
I wonder what got removed
@Jon
Can you moderate my comment above to @Ferret and @Bluebird.
There’s no links in it. Not sure why it’s hit the filter thingy.
@James
Then again, you’ve already solved this and posted that elsewhere !
Crackers !
Indeed. Katie is copying the style of some recent posters (including you and me) to try and throw people, IMO. Ignore. I think her “solution” was “the mob” (or was it “Iranians”, or “furriners”)? Anyway, now it’s “Cezus+…”, apparently.
Go figure.
@Bluebird
Good point – you would need a cyclist to trail a cyclist. BM would need to be doing a lot of trailing though. Unless Cezus were giving BM a pointer. So where’s the bike of SM?? Wouldn’t a published photo of that at the crime scene, leaked to the press, be of help with this narrative? That makes me believe there were no bikes there. We don’t “really” know much about BM’s cycling activities since 2006. Or indeed Mollier’s. That’s quite a climb up there. For Hilli to have been known in the Kingston Wheelers shows that he was a keen cyclist in the Surrey Hills in the 1990s. Since then, with young children – a bit of gentle family cyclng? The Silver Fern website photo deliberately shows bikes and a car with a Brighton reg at the Savoyard House in Brossard. As if they knew bikes would need to enter the story subsequently.
@Nobody
What evidence do you have that anything happened? Why the mystery over the bodies and funerals, the changing story in the early stages?
@bluebird
Francois security
Chinois sekUritetois
& oother ‘simple’ komplecties…
@Bluebird.
Bluebird.
They’re not on that list. But the name is not important.
(But if you take a ganders and use LinkedIn, you can find it).
The point is that place “seems” to be an accountancy that is quite specialised in a certain area.
So if you have a chalet for let….and you live in Brighton say, why go there ? You like London air ? Good parking ?