The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Mystic Meg, I do think there may be something in your “sins of the father” angle. Not sure about the jealous mistress though.
James
I never had t’internet then.
Wrong Ferret, again I see you cannot ‘ignore’ me, you really should take your own advice or give up telling others to .
Dopey…
I didnt know they were “downloadable” !
Meg…
My quadrant was also upper most, in the latin quarter with Venus rising.
I thought it was how I was sat.
@Ferret.
I have ! T’is bliss.
I think mystic meg should recalculate……. with the right date !
Anyway..
Do we (well the “we” that can think, ya know who ya are !) accept that our man was indeed “employed” ?
And that his role was more “low key”.
Further that this wasn’t “nuke” smuggling (a more serious element not discluded).
And that their “dispatch” was on the “with extreme predjudice” side.
So…the scene is “frozen”…and it’s midnight when the child is recovered. Well that then is “unfrozen” ?
Who is there to “unfreeze” the scene (no prizes for guessing) and why ?
What did they want to recover ?
An item ? The other bodies ?
If it is the latter….why didn’t whoever do a Loughall ?
James
10 Oct, 2012 – 9:58 pm
That’s just what happens when the sun’s shining out of uranus.
@James
Good for you!
😀
Once upon a time,
The british ztste killled one its ‘state servants’
In french ter(r)itory …
How often do you dumb fuckz ha e 2 b told the obvious fucking truth before ….
ie
However you craig murray linked bligers & bblagga’$ try to … it willl not make any difference … they are dead and gone (and becUze the children were left ljvjng ….) ….
@Ferret…
Learnt see.
@Dopey…
That is my natural state ! My chair gets hot though !
James
“Do we (well the “we” that can think, ya know who ya are !) accept that our man was indeed “employed” ?”
Yep.
“And that his role was more “low key”.”
Yep.
“Further that this wasn’t “nuke” smuggling (a more serious element not discluded).”
I wouldn’t discount it, but I’ve never felt it was about this.
“So…the scene is “frozen”…and it’s midnight when the child is recovered. Well that then is “unfrozen” ?”
I struggle to believe they only found the kid at midnight.
I do think they were looking for “something”…there, and at Claygate. The words of the cop that the family dispute wasn’t about the will but was much more far reaching has stuck in my mind.
Dopey…
So, what might the something be ? And / or the dispute ?
You see, if “the blue” was with “Mollier” (and neither ahead or behind him…as both has been stated) and let him go ahead…and then he was shot, surely there must have been “eyes on” Sa’ad already ?
I see that the blue team didn’t need to “take out” Sa’ad (if they knew who he was) as they could have done that anywhere. It’s a long route to France after all. (so did they know of him ?).
Therefore…and this is the jump…if blue was with “Mollier”, why did they let the “force or forces unknown” start to shoot ?
certainly agree that the scene was frozen until the cavalry arrived from Paris. What did they tell the locals to make them back-off until the cavalry arrived?
Did they find what they were looking for though?
Still not sure about your man, made to sign OSA and be a puppet?
bluebird
link for SM’s burial notice
http://www.libramemoria.com/fr/carnet/ugine/savoie/sylvain-mollier-bb0d023f32194e358b1b5b601cf4bc2f.html
@james
You are over- complicating …
@eagle
I saw this notice before. However I am missing his name in the official database. I also said that this might perhaps have no significance.
The problem I have with “blue” is one which has already been touched upon – why is he so public? Wheeling him out publicly, as opposed to just spiriting him away and erasing him from Al Hilli history would have surely been the preferred route? I can’t get my head around that…but do believe there’s more to him than meets the eye.
I’m not convinced Philippe D (and harem) is legit either. No way would I troop up to the scene of a multiple fatal shoooting in a remote spot to do nothing more than gawp at the scene then scarper.
Why ever it happened, I think the roots go back to the father.
Dopey…
I think he (and alot of them are) so public, because “this” was never suppose to happen.
Our chap was probably the best option. Better he, than a guy that’s 10 years SAS, two years private in Afganistan and now is “here” !
..and that “it wasn’t suppose to happen” makes me think more.
If and it is “if”, our man was with “Mollier”, was anyone with Sa’ad et al ?
Was (is) France’s “nuke” program so leaky it needs looking after by private companies….
That Pajero gets another mention here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9599174/Alps-family-murder-French-police-launch-witness-appeal-as-clues-run-out.html
Car crash fans, fake and real, I have posted some pics at Icke.
But you can see them for yourselves here. Compare and contrast…
http://www.lamontagne.fr/auvergne/actualite/departement/haute-loire/2012/08/09/la-voiture-devale-un-pre-sur-200-metres-avec-ses-deux-occupants-a-bord-1240191.html
Two months ago, fast road, 200 metres drop two (frail) 80 year olds survive, front of car wrecked. 25 firemen called out. Car lands just how one would expect. Indeed similar to the Pajero at Ugine.
@Dopey.
gee, thanks. Our posts crossed. Hadn’t seen that (with phone no..)
driven by a ‘nervous’ looking man [source: split second crossing of paths witnessed by Sylvie, I believe]
RAOFL
A few weeks ago detectives dismissed the Pajero as irrelevant. Now it’s back in the frame?
It’s like something out of a morbid Carry on movie this whole farce of an investigation.
Dopey
If the pajero had a british plate (we dont know if we can trust that witness) then it should not take more than 24 hours to get data from all ferries or trains that did transport registered cars to the continent from the uk in the – lets say – last 2 months.
How many dark pajeros were randomly amongst all those british cars then? 5? 12?
Even a schoolboy could get results given the data and cameras we have at the borders and in harbours.
They simply play a game. They dont want to investigate.
“A few weeks ago detectives dismissed the Pajero as irrelevant”
That’s because they knew it’ll be crashing down a slope shortly !
So “scratch five”, there’s now four left…in the whole of France.
I agree Bluebird. Plus, what I don’t think was ever said was that it has British plates AND that it was a right hand drive. Whenever I see foreign plates I always look to see which side the driver is on next…it’s just a habit of mine when driving. If I had double reason to notice the car ie driving erratically or whatever0 I’d certainly notice both the foreign plate and which side the driver was on, probably the colour but just maybe the make of the car too.
Of course it could have false plates, but if you’re on dodgy business in a foreign company and wanting to use false plates you’d use a plate that blended in..ie for that country.
I think it’s a red herring. Even if it isn’t, the Pajero have truth in it but I don’t believe the British plates part of it is true.
in a foreign country I meant
Sorry guys been away for some time due to work commitments. Looks like the story has moved on somewhat.
For those new to the story or unaware of how to protect their identity, whilst we are speculating and trying to get to the bottom of this mystery; you should look at masking your identities. Go to the following link and download the TOR package, it gives a little bit of anonymity at least.
{https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html}
GF
Pertaining to a link posted on thread #1 concerning SSTL’s meeting with the USAF regarding microsatellites, femtosatellites, etc. Why this matters:
nanopatentsandinnovations.blogspot.ca/2012/07/tiny-firefly-satellite-set-to-flash.html
http://www.surrey.ac.uk/ssc/
Terrestrial gamma flashes emit antimatter. Antimatter is produced in thunderstorms.
http://suite101.com/article/how-thunderstorms-produce-antimatter-positrons-discovered-by-nasa-a331822
SAH was familiar with non-destructive testing. According to information uncovered on this thread, it appears that he was also familiar with lasers. He was reportedly seeking a job at CERN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_annihilation_spectroscopy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron
No, nothing as exciting as a comic book ray gun, but aiming a high-powered laser from the ground or space into a terrestrial gamma flash might produce some shocking results.
SAH’s career is paret of his story. Here’s hoping that what he did for a living won’t get lost in this equation.
Problems I’m having with recent talk:
If a private killing, why the UK Govt (Ambassaors Foreign Sec downwards, BBC, police, downwards) involved in the cover up)? And so quickly in place if they knew nothing. (Green light??)
We are assuming bodies. (Boring, but no bodies, no orphans no funerals….)
@NofolkEagle
And if he is not dead, who else might not be?
Indeed.
BM – why public presence? A thorny problem. When were the pulled websites created?” Perhaps a fallback in case “it” doesn’t go to plan? Certainly I don’t think BM was meant to go public – as evidenced by the single interview – so it did go wrong. Perhaps it didn’t wash with Joe Public.Certainly they wanted to protect his identity first off. Did the RAF identity emergy through Maillaud? Did BM tell him? They knewat first he was RAF (but not his age) Not relevant. So why blow the cover? (first of all a visitor, then a resident) The July “thanks” date from BM at Mays could be created post event.
Bluebird – officially not dead: Is this an exhaustive site? It does list some out of department people; no overseas residents who die in French accidents as far as I can see (I did check one in 2010 ,no trace) I also keep coming across Mollier-Carroz family from the firm of Arnaud; Two people are in the French phone book with the name of Mollier’s mother; one is a Mollier-Carroz; I think we can eliminate this group. However…
Mollier Suzanne
59 rte Gindres 73200 VENTHON
04 79 32 50 45
Perhaps. Perhaps not.
What about the family Ginolin in the death notice??? First in-laws??
That Roger seems to have been the father of Sylvain is indicated by their presence on the left-wing list in Ugine; yet no other of the three brothers or one sister are there. It’s Rolande M-Carroz whose death was listed in September. He was 79.
Roger Mollier : funeral notice here:
death reported to DL newspaper on 3 May 2011: aged 78
http://www.libramemoria.com/fr/carnet/ugine/savoie/roger-mollier-21ba6409acf64124a933ac93a79fff64.html
Suzanne Mollier, son épouse; Alain, Christophe, François, Sylviane, Sylvain, ses enfants et leurs conjoints; ses petits-enfants et son arrière-petite-fille; son frère, Fernand; ses sœurs, Mado Rinaldo et Colette Onteniente; ses beaux-frères et belles-sœurs; tous les parents et amis,
Strange though that the death is not registered despite a death notice in the paper. Problems with the PM??
If you want to see BM deconstructed, read this in French
{http://leblogderobertpioche.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/lancien-de-la-raf-sappelle-william-brett-martin-53-ans-et-de-deux-choses-lune-ou-il-regarde-trop-ou-il-ne-regarde-pas-assez-la-serie-tv-les-experts/}
and see also below for deconstruction of the first days
{http://leblogderobertpioche.wordpress.com/?s=Ancien+RAF+chevaline&x=10&y=7}
and especailly here
{http://leblogderobertpioche.wordpress.com/2012/09/08/le-massacre-de-chevaline-et-le-mysterieux-ancien-de-la-royal-air-force-qui-passait-par-la-en-ce-moment-precis/}