The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
The RAF connection. Announced by Eric Maillaud thus:
Le témoin qui a donné l’alerte mercredi après la tuerie de Chevaline est un ancien de la Royal Air Force, a renseigné jeudi le procureur de la République d’Annecy, lors d’une conférence de presser. Le parquet estime que c’est quelqu’un d’expérimenté qui a l’habitude des situations d’urgence et que c’est grâce à son sang froid que la fillette de huit ans, retrouvée grièvement blessée, est toujours en vie, le témoin l’ayant placé en position latérale de sécurité
http://www.europe1.fr/France/Chevaline-le-temoin-un-ancien-de-la-RAF-1229275/
The witness who gave the warning on Wednesday after the killing of Horses is a former Royal Air Force, briefed Thursday prosecutor Annecy, during a press conference. The prosecution believes that this is someone who has experienced the usual emergency and it is thanks to its cool that the eight year old girl, who was found seriously injured, is still alive, witness who placed in the recovery position
So, that’s why he was announced as an RAF ancien. Which immediately set alarm bells ringing in the UK. A French balls-up.
Thank God nobody is posting. that will give us a chance to read up on last nights posts!
Felix
I can answer your Ginolin question regarding mollier.
Suzanne Ginolin is the mother of his sons.
Mme GINOLIN Suzanne. 1, avenue de Serbie – 73400 UGINE.
Perhaps Ginolin is her maiden name or else she married a Ginolin later. Dont know.
The Suzanne Mollier you have mentioned is his mother. It is a coincidence that his mother’s and his first wife’s names were identical.
I know an Ugine address of Frederic Brun. It is 5 av Jules Bianco. There is a hairdresser saloon in that house called Coiffeur Cathy. If he was gay as Peter suggested, then he was perhaps the owner of that business. However, this is a huge house with lots of flats and we dont know whether he was gay or whethet he had worked somewhere else during the week.
Bluebird. If I know you right, you will like this programme with nigel Ogden broadcast last night. You know some programmes are better than others, but this time the selection of music simply go up in a higher order.
Morning Bluebird.
Who has the most to lose in the UK if proof about his wealth & past is revealed ?
Who has spent a fortune suing & blocking information about that past ?
Who has roots in the East ?
Who has contacts in Iraq/Iran ?
Who has scrubbed all pics of himself with Saddam ?
Who has the cash to hire assassins ?
Who has a record of corruption ?
Who left Iraq at the same time as AH family ?
Who was in the Ba’ath party at the same time ?
Who also lives in the UK but with French connections ?
Who funds the election campaign for the most powerful man on earth ?
Who would know if the French were covertly,legal or otherwise, sending info/material to Iran ?
Who has investments in Areva/Cezus ?
If you wanted to trap someone wouldn’t you go to someone with knowledge & power but corrupt enough to know what was going on ?
Take a look at the GMH group investments…….Jordan Kuwait Bank………Areva KIA….Kuwait Investment Authority.
I wait to see if you come to to the same conclusion as to why this drama all took place.
Here’s a start.
http://www.gmhsa.com/gmh.html
BM was there as an overseer, I feel the discrepancy in times was confusion of the hours difference in UK & EU time.
Its hilarious — or should that be hillirious? – that someone last night sought to link the beastly attacks on the Al-Hillis to the four bodies found last year in Lake Annecy.
Thanks for the belly laugh. It’s just doesn’t get any better!
🙂 :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
Who would know if the French were covertly,legal or otherwise, sending info/material to Iran ?
French Secret Service (DGSE), MI6, Mossad…
Who has investments in Areva/Cezus ?
French government owns more than 90% of Areva.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areva
Whose favourite is the French-manufactured Walther 7.65mm?
“This 7.65mm Manurhin pistol is a favorite weapon of the DGSE” – The Ultimate Spy by Harold Keith Melton
Katie
That makes sense. However, you will never catch the big guys because they are more powerful than the government. Even then if they knew that and even if they had proof enough, they wont catch those guys. Remember the big mafia bosses of the past, they could only arrest them because of tax issues.
They arent interested to investigate that case. They wait because time will be on their side. In a few months none of us will remember.
I know what you mean and i know that my investigation of all family branches did end in that network. If billions of money can purchase private military and even wars today, then we can do nothing.
Areva denied 2007 that they sent enriched uranium to Iran. Some interesting partnership with the iranians, through Eurodif/ Sofidif.
“French nuclear energy group Areva denied a report in a German magazine that a subsidiary was flouting United Nations sanctions by providing Iran with enriched uranium.
It said Iran has a small and ‘exclusively financial’ stake in French company Eurodif but said this had not led to delivery of enriched uranium to the country.
In an article to be published Monday, Der Spiegel accuses Eurodif of delivering 10 pct of its enriched uranium to Iran from a nuclear site at Pierrelatte in the south of France.
In 1974, Iran invested more than 1 bln usd in a joint French-Iranian company specialising in uranium enrichment called Sofidif, which itself owns 25 pct of Eurodif. As a result, Iran holds indirectly about 10 pct of Eurodif, which is 60 pct owned by Areva.
The Der Spiegel report quotes a study circulated by the European Greens party, which it says reveals never before published details of the partnership agreed between Tehran and the French company.
According to the magazine, Iran’s Atomic Energy Organisation, led by Vice President Gholam Reza Aghazadeh, earns an annual 7 mln eur from its share in the company.
Areva did not deny that Iran was financially profiting from Eurodif’s enrichment activities but dismissed out of hand any suggestion that the product was being transported to Iran.
‘Iran has an indirect and ultra-minority share in Eurodif. This participation is exclusively financial and has never led to a delivery of enriched uranium to Iran,’ an Areva spokesman told AFP.”
http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2007-03/7959827-areva-denies-unit-supplied-iran-with-enriched-uranium-020.htm
Sharehoder 2011 2009 From 2001 to 2008 2000
Capital Vote Capital Vote Capital Vote Capital Vote
CEA 73.03% 73,03% 78.96% 83.16%* 78.96% 82.99% 95.14 % 100.00%
French State** 10.17% 10.17% 8.39% 8.41% 5.19% 519% – –
KIA 4.82% 4.82% – – – – – –
CDC 3.32% 3.32% 3.59% 3.59% 3.59% 3.59% – –
EDF 2.24% 2.24% 2.42% 2.42% 2.42% 2.42% – –
Framépargne* 0.26% 0.26% 0.42% 0.42% 0.62% 0.62% – –
CALYON* 0.89% 0.89% 0.96% 0.96% 0.96% – – –
Total 0.95% 0.95% 1.02% 1.02% 1.02% 1.02% – –
AREVA auto-Contol 0.31% 0.31% 0.2% – – – – –
Total 100.00% 100.00% 100.00% 100.00% 100.00% 100.00% 100.00% 100.00%
Bluebird.
Yes, but the double cross came when N A had a personal grievance against the AH family. He hired the killers & ‘after’ fulfilling the promise to draw out the Cezus moles.
All AH was to do was take a photo of the two, for which he was highly paid.
I believe the Pajero was there as Mollier & he were in it together but he got away,maybe injured.
The women had to be killed for obvious reasons
Ferret. Now you have shifted back to the odd avatar of your that we are all so tired of! Yellow is so disturbing to the eyes! so I recommend that you shift back to the much more agreeable animal with fur
It’s true, we will never know for sure.
But that scenario is the only one which pulls everything together.
Because N A is held in such high regard in the UK [ lol ! ] I’m pretty sure both the UK & French Governments worked together in allowing him to contact AH [ who was already on their books ] which is why they contracted BM to be around at the time.
Also why so many arrived from the Paris Embassy…… N A could claim a double cross by the Iranians.
“The parent company [of Areva] is incorporated under French law as a société anonyme (SA: public corporation) and is also recognized as a public limited company in Britain and a corporation in American jurisdictions. The French State (including the shares owned by the CEA) owns more than 90%. The corporate name “Areva” is inspired by the Trappist Santa Maria de la Real monastery in Arevalo in Spain. Luc Oursel is the Chairman of the Executive Board (equivalent to President and CEO).”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areva
BTW 7.65mm is also a favourite of Mossad, and is also used by RAF fast-jet fighter pilots… Just saying…
Had I known that the music show I talked about earlier exited with the Exodus theme, I would probably not have linked to it.
Well, its a *nice* piece of music — objectively speaking – but when you know how this rather dubious Hollywood film was used as propaganda for the legitimity [yes indeed of some heavenly profecy and higher moral coming true] of Israel, this piece of music needs to be shunned by all honest men and women.
Am I the only one to find it odd that SAH’s Shia identity wasn’t mentioned yesterday when he was put forward as a potential bag-man for Saddam’s “missing millions”?
This argument was used quite vociferously by some as a counter-argument to a hypothesis that SAH may have helped Saddam with his nuclear program, so I’m surprised that no one thought to offer it as an objection to the hypotheis that Saddam (Sunni) would trust Grandpa Al Hilli (Shia) with his millions…
(Not that I’m agreeing with the Shia/Sunni “great divide” hypothesis, mind you, it’s just that if people put forward an argument in one place, you expect them to be consistent with it in other places…)
SHAREHOLDER STRUCTURE DECEMBER 31, 2011
AREVA was created on September 3, 2001, based on the structure of its predecessor, CEA-Industrie. CEA Industrie’s capital was 95%-owned by Commissariat à l’Énergie Nucléaire (the CEA). Today, public sector holdings (CEA, the French state and CDC) of group capital has risen close to 87%. 4% of AREVA’s share capital is float.
http://www.areva.com/EN/finance-402/shareholding-structure-of-the-world-leader-in-the-nuclear-industry-and-major-player-in-bioenergies.html
@Kenneth
By your logic, should all honest men and women should stop listening to Carl Nielsen, because of Denmark’s disgusting and abhorrent failure to prevent the brutal annual slaughter of pilot whales on the Faroe Islands, Denmark’s colonial outpost?
(Some whales swim around in the blood of their family members for hours, while they and their relatives are herded into shallow water and then clubbed and stabbed to death by hand.)
Should all honest men and women therefore shun Denmark, and demand its immediate dismantlement, and the dispersion of its population to the four corners of the earth?
And Jon, how long do we have to put up with Kenneth’s inane and entirely off-topic (not to mention off-colour) rants?
Ferret…
You see, I took your considered advise.
Therefore I say…
what off topic rants do you speak of ? I don’t see any.
And why this talk of this French public multinational company ?
Is not the C.E.A the “department for Energy” ?
Now if there where links and questions associated to the CRC in Ugine
or even Areva NP and Siemens…then I would have read something of the posters comments.
Alas, when I want to read about “Chicago style hits”, I pick up “The Godfather” and read what Puzo had to say.
@Q
www2.macleans.ca/2012/03/13/friends-in-low-places-2/
SNC-Lavalin’s [Montreal] name has also been uncomfortably associated with Gary Peters who acted as Saadi Gadhafi’s long-time bodyguard. [and many other names, like Riadh Ben Aïssa]
http://404systemerror.com/on-snc-lavalin-muhc/
“Arthur Porter had been appointed chair of the [Canadian] federal government’s security-intelligence watchdog agency, when his African business dealings with an arms dealer were revealed. Arthur Porter was handed access to every document, every report, every scrap of intel held by CSIS, aside from cabinet secrets. What did this guy know about spying and intelligence gathering? What qualified Dr. Porter as chairman of the Security and Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC), besides his staunch support of Canada’s Conservative party?”
SNC is (or was) landlord to US Consulate in Montreal
@Dave “If you think of the film “Casablanca”…then that’s Dubaishire!”
SNC is big in Casablanca and much bigger in Dubai. Anyone wandering around Casablanca in a purple hoodie with an icepick? [Sorry, another of my jokes]
Other things around Princes Gate:
new military-occult technologies for psychological warfare
Goethe Institut, 50-51 Princes Gate, Exhibition Rd, London SW7 2PH
Rosalind Brodsky HEXEN 2039 INTERNATIONAL TOUR [it’s fiction – time travel]
Ognisko Polskie 55 Princes Gate Exhibition Rd, London SW7 2PN
Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints, 64-68 Princes Gate, London SW7 2PA
Afghanistan Embassy 31 Princes Gate London SW7 1QQ [somebody already mentioned Iranian embassy]
Hoped to find the Ordo Templi Orientis around there, but they aren’t as prosperous as the Mormons and meet for a celebratory Gnostic Mass at Conway Hall in Red Lion Square, London.
Hey Q, now that SNC owns AECL and Canada had enough weapons grade material to make two bombs, who owns that? Don’t think just ’cause they’re nice people they wouldn’t use it. They’re the dastards who burned down the White House, way before Pearl Harbor and 9/11, so there’s precedent.
Hey who posted my post from yesterday on Icke, please remove it?
Remember what Ricki Tarr is?hahah
@James what did you find that scared you so much, spititout!
A question I’ve asked before (and am no nearer an answer) that goes to the root of the WBM issue – How was it that he was ruled out as a suspect so quickly? The man says he was first on the scene, he’s got blood on him, there may be traces of him in the car (he says he broke in to turn off the engine) etc etc etc. The regional forensics team an hour away at Lyon were not called, instead a team was brought from Paris – delaying the processing of the scene by about eight hours during which (according to the head of the Gendarmerie) they were told not to open the car. And yet WBM is cleared of any involvement and described in glowing terms by EM before all the forensics can have been processed.
I believe the only answer to this is that he was officially vouched for by the UK. Which would mean he was on official or semi-official business.
@CD
11 Oct, 2012 – 11:54 am
That BM chose to be identified in the BBC interview, also indicates that he in no way felt threatened by those who committed the crime.
Another question, regarding SM. If you look at the diagram on the CEZUS-Ugine site you will see that Ugine is the second of three or four factories (depending on end product) in a chain of processes to produce materials for the industry. It does not produce finished product itself. So I suspect SM’s importance is knowledge of the process (quality control) rather than access to end product. One then has to ask if he was put in play to catch SAH, or if SAH was put in play to catch him?
@James
Yes, I noticed – well done!
😀
Kenneth rants regularly about the unique evil that he feels Israel is, and how it should be wiped off the face of the map, thereby solving all the worlds ills at one go. :rolleyes:
Talk of CEA etc was about the ownership of Areva, variously reported as 87% or “over 90%” state-owned by France.
This was relevant as Katie posted some rhetorical questions first thing this morning, and I (perhaps a little unwisely) replied to some of them, adding one of my own for good measure:
Who would know if the French were covertly,legal or otherwise, sending info/material to Iran ?
French Secret Service (DGSE), MI6, Mossad…
Who has investments in Areva/Cezus ?
French government owns more than 90% of Areva. [Correct this to 87% if you prefer.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areva
Whose favourite is the French-manufactured Walther 7.65mm?
“This 7.65mm Manurhin pistol is a favorite weapon of the DGSE” – The Ultimate Spy by Harold Keith Melton
That BM chose to be identified in the BBC interview, also indicates that he in no way felt threatened by those who committed the crime.
Or… conceivably, that he was himself responsible, or that he was present as a participant or observer, or that he was standing with his hands up while others committed the crime (they knew who he was)…
@Ricky @CD
CD, I couldn’t agree more re WBM.
And Ricky, thanks so much for the link you posted to “The Last Flight to Kuwait” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKoDxQaVX2k.
I watched it last night and thoroughly enjoyed it.
A striking feature of this documentary is that NONE of the people interviewed have any of the blinking problems displayed by Brett Martin, despite having been held hostage along with their entire families, and used as human shields by Saddam Hussain just prior to Gulf War I. Some of them had seen people shot dead in front of their own eyes. And all had feared they would be shot, or blown up, and with good reason.
None of them were blinking-blinking-blinking like Brett Martin, despite being in obvious distress when recounting their experiences for the camera.
Someone here tried to explain his extraordinary blink rate as the result of normal stress in front of a camera – but this documentary shows that is simply not true.
He is quite simply lying, IMO.