Let me be upfront: none of my usual contacts, so far, has any knowledge about the very clinical murders in France of the Iraqi origin British Hilli family. I have seen various internet reports of the links of Mr Hilli to the defence industry and that the French cyclist victim was linked to the nuclear industry. I am not immediately concerned that the other cyclist who raised the alarm was ex-RAF; had that fact been sinister, it would have been hidden or he might not have raised the alarm at all.
In short, I really do not know what is happening here and I don’t think normal hierarchies within British security agencies know either. It may be genuinely random, or not. I am not posting to speculate or to spread knowledge, but because unless I do post, commenters will derail other threads to discuss this. Should I discover anything, I will let you know. But we may well never know; we still don’t really know who killed JFK, or Hilda Murrell. There is always an answer, but it is not always known to the public.
No excuse can justify the failure to identify and help the poor little girl who was still alive in the bottom of the car. Discovering if anybody was alive in the car should have outweighed every other consideration for the emergency services. Protocols for the dead will not help them much, whatever they may achieve for abstract justice. The living are easier to serve well, and this was a gross failure.
@Ruth – Mossad are the prime suspects in the killing of Gerald Bull. All alternate theories (CIA, Iran, MI6, etc.) involve Secret Services – who are the main users of 7.65 (.32 ACP) weapons – the same type of weapon that was used here. Even if it wasn’t Mossad who killed Bull (although it probably was), and even if it wasn’t Mossad who killed al-Hilli and co., it is further evidence that these killings were State Sponsored, and not the work of drug dealers, armed robbers or hired hitmen in an inheritance dispute.
Anders 7777 said: “Slightly off topic so I’ll shut up, but this massacre is overshadowing other big news, such as France recognising Alfred Kida in Syria, if I am not mistaken. And other big stuff too, which is getting buried”
Exactly-that was the main point i was trying to make-there is a danger that we sometimes get overly caught up in the minutiae whilst missing the bigger picture.
Yep, as someone else said though, this seems to me like a Tavistock psyop production as its all over the tee vee and useless meeja.
The question is, why this distraction, is it prior to a G4S “defining event for London”…???
Something smells very very off now to me about all this.
I think I’m saying if something happens in London tomorrow, this episode will be spun to blame the Iranians, and bingo!
Interesting links to material about Areva and (possibly) Iran.
http://www.boomantribune.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2012/9/6/12538/19248
Thanks Suhayl, I appreciate that. Let’s keep on truckin’…
It is extremely worrying that the Guardian is actively suppressing discussion of the circumstantial evidence linking the victims of the shooting. They have removed without trace posts by Janesmith101. The website rejected my post (below) and will not allow me to post another comment.
Formal Identification. Three days ago, formal identifiation was “ongoing”. A strange phrase. I see no formal id yet having been reported. However, I notice in the Belfast Telegraph and Indy:
French officials insist that her [the older woman’s] face and that of the male victim were too badly damaged to allow formal identification until DNA tests are performed on samples flown from Britain today.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/the-horror-and-mystery-of-the-annecy-killings-16207907.html#ixzz260QS1UGC
(John Lichfield in Annecy)
All the information in the public domain is basically single sourced, viz. police and security sources. Very little of it may be true, relating to injuries or events. Or even deaths??
“What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assassination?” Guardianist.
I’m not a statistician, but ooh, a ‘p’ value, I’d say of around 0.0006? Maybe even less than the chance of Max Bygraves (God rest his soul) rising up from the dead and saying, “Ah wanna tellya a stoary…”
The Guardian must think everyone’s stupid and has no access to the web. It just shows them up for what they are. Nothing JaneSmith101 (btw, that sounds even better than Miss Moneypenny!)or Guardianist (hey – missed out the ‘a’ – Guardianista!) posted (from theri posts here) was remotely libellous/obscene, etc. yet it got deleted by the (in this context, very aptly-named) ‘Guardian’. Guardian of what, exactly? Could this be the ‘D-notice’ someone (?Cryptonym) mentioned, in action? Is that how it works? Anyone know?
I’ve just found this comment in the Guardian,
‘The article says very little about the employers of Mr al-Hilli and M Mollier. Have you researched this? Are you aware that al-Hilli worked for EADS, which makes cluster bombs and nuclear missiles, and which is currently being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office? That Mollier worked for Cezus, part of Areva, which make zirconium cladding and other things for use in nuclear facilities?
What do you think are the chances of two people with such backgrounds being on the same stretch of isolated, dead-end road at the same time, with a British ex-military person a couple of minutes away? And of these being the only people on the road, apart from what police apparently believe is a professional hit squad?’
And to those terrified, ‘Right Said Fred’, bricklayers, all one can say is, ‘av a cuppa tea but watch out for satsumas!
http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/autoerotic_deaths_in_uk.htm
From Davidicke.com:
Anders7777 – 07-09-2012, 11:04 PM:
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Can anyone tell me what precisely John O’Connor’s day job is (quoted widely by the MSM as former Scotland Yard Flying Squad Commander occasionally deputy commander, including the Annecy shooting case)??? John O’Connor conveniently…. lives around the corner from the Hilli family…
From anon
My gut feeling is that he selling “technological” information to the Iranians through the Frenchman (dead cyclist 7 bullets), and he got wacked
It is significant, IMO, that the shootings occurred in France, not far from a factory where zirconium, tantalum, and hafnium are processed into an alloy. Zircaloy is used as cladding on nuclear fuel rods. The ability to make fuel rods seems to have been holding Iran’s nuclear capabilities back.
It could be a matter of selling secrets, as well as someone selling product.
The location must play a factor in this story. Is is mere coicidence that the French bicyclist worked for Areva subisidiary Cezus Ugine?
Can anyone tell me what precisely John O’Connor’s day job is (quoted widely by the MSM as former Scotland Yard Flying Squad Commander occasionally deputy commander, including the Annecy shooting case)??? John O’Connor conveniently…. lives around the corner from the Hilli family…
His day job is shoving his fat red putrid face all over Sky and stating the blindingly obvious whilst dropping select ex colleagues in it and protecting the 33s
BOAZ
Three points, on another site someone mentioned Mollier as being described in the French press a metal worker. This is basically true, Zirconium is a metal, by Cezus primarily makes nuclear grade zircoaloy for fuel assemblies. This aspect id being deliberately played down in the French press (as I mentioned before, I’ve seen Cezus described as a steel plant – which it is not). Zirconium is a very tightly regulated metal used at nuclear grade in reactors.
Physcist vs Engineer?
You don’t have to be a physicist to run a reactor, or even manufacture components for one. Physicists are primarily engaged in theoretical design and research, engineers primarily are engaged in building and research.
The point about paternity leave, again I hope this totally wrong and I’m sure it’s not true, but to me that would sound like more of financial incentive to conduct illicit transactions (3 dependent children), the fact you are no longer working with your employer, and that fact that you know detailed information about the processing and fabrication, not to mention contacts within the company.
I don’t want to sully this man’s character through speculation, I sincerely hope he was an innocent passer-by and I’m perfectly willing to accept he was if there is no evidence. But all inquiries should be left open, all potential leads followed…
Anders7777 – 07-09-2012, 11:04 PM:
“Bollocks, many many people are digging and new angles are being unearthed all the time!
Actually, Craig Murray sez the same, which is why I distrust him so much
These vermin are Machiavellian”
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Glad to see you’re paying attention, I AM MAKING SOME SERIOUS WAVES, lol.
Go to THIS thread at icke and you will see the SIS boys all over me.
If you murderers think you can embarrass me into silence, you have another thing coming!
This test is probably the same Vauxhall Cross tea lady tasked with pushing my buttons, lol!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221659&page=27
Three quick points
on another site someone mentioned Mollier as being described in the French press a metal worker. This is basically true, Zirconium is a metal, but Cezus primarily makes nuclear grade zircoaloy for fuel assemblies. This aspect is being deliberately played down in the French press (as I mentioned before, I’ve seen Cezus described as a steel plant – which it is not). Zirconium is a very tightly regulated metal used at nuclear grade in reactors.
Physcist vs Engineer?
You don’t have to be a physicist to run a reactor, or even manufacture components for one. Physicists are primarily engaged in theoretical design and research, engineers primarily are engaged in building and research.
The point about paternity leave, again I hope this totally wrong and I’m sure it’s not true, but to me that would sound like more of financial incentive to conduct illicit transactions (3 dependent children), the fact you are no longer working with your employer, and that fact that you know detailed information about the processing and fabrication, not to mention contacts within the company.
I don’t want to sully this man’s character through speculation. I sincerely hope he was an innocent passer-by and I’m perfectly willing to accept he was if there is no evidence. But all inquiries should be left open, all potential leads followed…
anders7777,
Why did you say on the davidicke forum that you don’t trust Craig Murray? And if you don’t why did you come here?
I dont trust David Icke yet I go there. I don’t trust Matt Lucas who runs Godlike Productions yet I go there, I don’t trust Above Top Secret, I don’t trust any MSM reporters, I don’t trust Alex Jones and prisonplant.com yet I go there.
Where do you suggest I go?
I have been fending off very low grade low IQ shils all day at Icke. The same goes on here, though usually more sophisticated.
For some peculiar reason on this thread a few obvious spooky types are playing a few cards.
Spot them?
Answer your question?
One more thing – Craig is an ex Diplomat. I admire his stance, I’ve seen all the documentaries, and have lurked here for years. I know the score. I think he very probably is on the up and up, but would I bet my life on it?
No.
So you don’t trust anybody. Ok.
Craig will make you welcome anyway, I believe.
uranium rods need zirconium. expertise provided by the areva bike man.
areva are nearly if not bankrupt because of the 5 fuckiuppyshimas japan china syndromes.
i believe the zirc stuff melted in japan : (
bad faulty batches maybe.
areva needs fast cash iran needs zirconium.
maybe the sting was to get the fast cash for corrupted high failure zirconium.
standard charter 1 month ago is proof big europe corporations are dealing with iran for serious fast cash.
mr iraqi brit super dooper cad engineer with vast multi discipline skill set working in aerospace,covert electronics,nuclear and wadayano plasma and hydrogen.
i here the iran thing and the mossad scientist hits is not just about nukes but about plasma,hydrogen and other tesla technologies.
the saudi’s cannot wait for the bombing of iran to begin plenty of research labs to wipe out in the first waves.
the iranian nuke sites will be low priority gotta get rid of the free energy stuff first.
whatever this is another agenda is at play.
as usual the the brown folks will get the blame for the white folks bestial crimes.
brown folks being the brother or iran
So you don’t trust anybody. Ok.
Craig will make you welcome anyway, I believe.
Craig is not a shallow person, he will understand.
Been burned too many times, by the Catholics in my youth (abuse), by ex-wives, by backstabbing so-called friends that I hired, that then wanted my job, and got it, and on and on and on.
I REALLY like Alan Watt, but there is still a lingering doubt.
I trust my mother, but she could be taken advantage of behind my back.
I trust my daughter, I trust my soul.
@Nuid. Something is not right with that guy.
@Nuid. Something is not right with that guy.
What guy, (sunflower)? [AKA PALMER]
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1061033454&posted=1#post1061033454
You are having an epic fail here
So I expect you are trying your luck again here! :O)
Keep trying or you will lose your tea-making internship at Vauxhall Cross!
Agreed Sunflower – careful Suhayl -sorry but you must take longer to form opinions – Thanks Nextus & Nuid as usual seasoned canny gate-keepers.
Excellent advice!
Trust no-one.
Stick to HARD DATA :O)
Still think the “lone nut(s)” apply to this shooting.
Soooo many ppl are trying to blame a Mossad “hit” (you know who you “is”), but do not back it up.
They (he) replies on “spooks” all he time !
But back to fact….
The car seems to have been in a rear motion (mud splatters)and therefore in retreat from a threat.
A threat that began…or had begun to happen.
From French reports (and an (one) English one) the cyclists were coming from the direction of the barrier.
Mr Al Hilli my have been followd up the track…and reached the end…but would a “hit team” really be “okay” with then driving 3Kms down a singletrack road….they had only been up once ?
Oh…. and be aware of his “Anders7777”.
He gives no hard facts, but likes to “bar” people that offer different option to events.
“Harry Palmer” on the David Icke forum seems to be enjoying the same treatment at he moment.
It appears that “Anders” is the main scribe, wit…and moderator.
So much for “free speech” !
Sorry guys, a mental defective has been hounding me all day at Icke, call’s himself Ittlbeme and Palmer.
Long day, I’ll leave him to it, I’m off to bed.