Let me be upfront: none of my usual contacts, so far, has any knowledge about the very clinical murders in France of the Iraqi origin British Hilli family. I have seen various internet reports of the links of Mr Hilli to the defence industry and that the French cyclist victim was linked to the nuclear industry. I am not immediately concerned that the other cyclist who raised the alarm was ex-RAF; had that fact been sinister, it would have been hidden or he might not have raised the alarm at all.
In short, I really do not know what is happening here and I don’t think normal hierarchies within British security agencies know either. It may be genuinely random, or not. I am not posting to speculate or to spread knowledge, but because unless I do post, commenters will derail other threads to discuss this. Should I discover anything, I will let you know. But we may well never know; we still don’t really know who killed JFK, or Hilda Murrell. There is always an answer, but it is not always known to the public.
No excuse can justify the failure to identify and help the poor little girl who was still alive in the bottom of the car. Discovering if anybody was alive in the car should have outweighed every other consideration for the emergency services. Protocols for the dead will not help them much, whatever they may achieve for abstract justice. The living are easier to serve well, and this was a gross failure.
The MSM’s conspiracy theory that there was an inheritance dispute has been denied by the brother and the family’s accountant. The brother has spoken to police, according to French prosecutor.
Hey ho.
@Jives
My thoughts exactly.
Had to laugh at Jon Sopal.
Earlier in the day he was spouting on about how quiet and isolated was the area of the killing – how you could spend all day there without meeting another soul.
Just now he’s saying on reports identifying a vehicle that it could be anything such was the traffic.
He did at least have the decency to grimace. That’s what they pay them so much of our money for, I suppose – Their acting ability. It certainly ain’t journalistic flair or even the mildest of curiousity.
Anyway, nice to see that Harry is back in the baby bombing business. You just can’t take people seriously when they’re flashing their bum.
Gavin Essler on BBC news still headlining with the inheritance row conspiracy theory.
Truly disgraceful stuff.
Nuld,
If the brother is innocent then he is already by definition being used as a convenient patsy by the MSM. Just not a dead one.
A lot of contradictory information seems to have been put out concerning Saad Al-Hilli’s background. I think Dr Kelly was murdered because of his knowledge of the arms to Iraq scandal, super gun, nukes etc. and most importantly he was going to write a book. Does anybody know if Al-Hilli had any connections with the arms to Iraq scandal?
Daily Mail now running with
CE soul-brother Neil, in his post of 7.55am (did he get paid overtime?) comes out with the now ususal sneer (I nearly said smear..) about “conspiracy theories”.
Funny how quite a few “conspiracy theories” in the last century turned out to have been completely accurate when, years afterwards, government record were opened or participants wrote their memoirs or otherwise spilled the beans.
Anyway, if one is willing to consider ALL hypotheses (and you are, Neil, aren’t you..) then I don’t quite see why the hypothesis of a targeted killing should be dismissed out of hand.
Probably only a lot more info on the murdered man’s background and activities (when exactly did he come to the UK, under which circumstances and with what status, what was the precise nature of his work, was he in touch with foreign powers, etc, etc) will lead us to the correct hypothesis.
Villager, you’re right. I quickly pasted that which probably means the source got it wrong too. There is a big difference with the Bahai faith and the Ba’athist party. Thanks for the correction.
John, pleasure–small matter.
Btw, the Canadians have decided to escalate the game and close their embassy in Iran. Who’s next? Sorry, for the distraction, but now that Iraq is “done”, Afghan’s deadline fast-approaching, let’s all get ready for Iran.
I’ve just watched the BBC news – this was the lead item but during the entire report the words “Iraq” or “Iraqi” were never used, except briefly once on a map of Europe where the country was one of several highlighted. The commentary over the map said that the victim has “business interests in Baghdad”.
Despite saying that there are “lots of lines of inquiry emerging”, the only theory mentioned was the family feud. Looks like our famous “free media” are being firmly gagged.
Nuid, apologies for referring to you as nuld 🙂
@ Vague Hague
The address given in your 1999 court document was sold in 2007.
The following document is from 2012
http://www.capelfieldsurgery.co.uk/website/H81109/files/Enclosure_1.pdf
which does indeed abut the address of the deceased.
According to an Iraqi doctor who declined to be named, Saad Al-Hilli was working with British Intelligence agents trying to persuade Iraqi commanders to issue instructions to their forces in the field to surrender before the US-imposed 2003 deadline for President Saddam to leave the country expired. An attempt was made to isolate those in Saddam’s immediate circle in Baghdad and negate orders they would give to Iraqi commanders situated in bunkers elsewhere in Iraq.
@Monty W
…which (2012 doc) was last sold in October 2005
The address of the company,33 Foley Road KT10 0LU, seems to be the accountants but is given as the address of Ikbal Al-Saffar, rather than 26 Oaken Lane.
The only source which names the wife as Ikbal Al-Saffar is the Scottish Daily Record
“According to an Iraqi doctor who declined to be named, Saad Al-Hilli was working with British Intelligence agents trying to persuade Iraqi commanders to issue instructions to their forces in the field to surrender …”
Which would mean he had enemies in Iraq
“apologies for referring to you as nuld”
No worries 🙂
Sad to see the caravan parked up. The Al Hilli home. It was last sold in 2004.
http://goo.gl/maps/n5TfT
Chaff is being spread: Jack Saltman, the neighbour, on how ‘Special Branch’ used his driveway…well how did he know they were Branch? I mean come on… For one thing, Special Branch doesn’t even exist any more under that name!
Statement from Surrey Satellite Technology, a private limited company now owned by Astrium, an EADS company.
http://www.sstl.co.uk/news-and-events?story=2054
Astrium {http://www.astrium.eads.net/en/our-partners/}
Yes indeed Nuid and I am trying to establish an Al-Hilli connection to Chalabi and also ‘curveball’ – Chalabi is connected to the Al Wefaq National Islamic Society which has connections to Hezbollah.
Chalabi is possibly coordinating intelligence from Syria to Iran.
My first thought when reading about this was that maybe the family witnessed an accident, someone knocking cyclist off then finished them off with gun, just as family round corner in car and see what’s happening, they try to back away but get stuck and are shot so they can’t be witnesses to attack on cyclist, little girl gets out and tries to run away but is shot, beaten and left for dead, attackers lean into car through smashed window to make sure everyone dead, at same time leaning on central locking, they miss little girl hiding and drive off before anyone else arrives.
My half baked made up conspiracy theory is that the victim was on the run, taking a holiday when the kids are supposed to be back at school, camp near switerland, rendezvous with someone before breaking for the border. Intercepted.
And made up stuff #2 – the reason why the girl wasn’t found was because the first handler on scene had been told that all targets had been neutralised and so no need to open the car to confirm.
Can’t make up stuff #1 – how can the other girl be outside the locked car, shot and beaten?
Questions I find interesting #1 – how far must the RAF cyclist have been behind the french cyclist who got shot for it all to happen before he caught up.
N_
Not quite sure what your point is.
I wouldn’t worry too much about what you call the police/spook liaison outfit. Mr Saltman will have known them as SB throughout his working life. Who cares what they’re called.
He seems to have been quite a substantial journalist in his day, with all that that entails and fond of uncovering political “scandal”.
He’s not just the usual neighbour that turns up of these occasions.
Do some research.
makes ya proud init.
der bbc and der telegraph say may bee der bruver dunnit over a dispute about a house in spain.
or car jacking gone bad..maybe drugs.
maybe frank mi6 gardner says we may never no innit.
funny old world perfect location the french are useless and are very good at cover up’s.
mi6,mossad job using the tried and tested method the double tap mozambique drill.
how lucky of RAF hero on a push bike sounds like a bad script from midsomer murders.
just happened to live in the area never heard gunshots but was riding around a car park.
all that lovely landscape and he is hanging around a carpack.
the dead man worked for the raf and the raf found him with a hole in the head.
but it must be the brother cos der bbc say’s he is a suspect.
funny old world .
@Mary
Small coincidence…the CEO of SSST of Guildford who surprisingly volunteered that Al-Hilli was a contractor there, Dr Mike Perkins, is a member of the Footdown Esher Fifteen. (Claygate being part of Esher). Another surprising member of this select group is the Deputy Chief Constable of Wiltshire, Mike Veale, whose police jobs have always been in the West country. Al-Hilli’s other firm was in Wiltshire (Swindon).
http://www.footdown.com/4463/how-footdown-helps-matt-perkins-to-be-a-better-leader/
Another Perkins’ company at the same address in Guildford is DMC INTERNATIONAL IMAGING LTD
@N_ – thanks for the explanation – hadn’t heard of the place.
You said “If the queen went to Fort Monckton before she flew up to Balmoral, as is alleged, that would give the game away a bit, though.”.
I didn’t get the joke.
Still don’t actually 🙁
Further coincidence….
One of the directors of Surrey Satellite Technology is none other than Air Marshal Sir Joe French….September dossier, Chief of Defence Intelligence, Invasion of Iraq, JIC, Hutton Inquiry etc etc.
Appointed 30 Sept 2011.
Founded by Professor Sir Martin Sweeting OBE FRS.
http://blog.sstl.co.uk/uploads/Sweetingbio.pdf
SSTL aims to disrupt Russian and Chinese intelligence gathering over Syria. Once Russia/China are blinded a drone will be sent into Syria to disperse WMD (nerve agent/bio weapon) over a large population centre. Syrian government will be blamed and NATO will have it’s pretext for an all out attack. Simples.
some rumours from tartus area suggest a russian orderly move from land to sea.
looks like putin has heard some bio gas intel or is running away anyway.
maybe he will draw a line in the sand or in the tarmac just outside moscow when nato come calling to free the poor pussy riot innocents.
nothing to do with oil or gas just about the freedom to allow pop singers to abuse themselves in church without being arrested.